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What do you expect to see from Jeff Teague in his first season as a starting PG?! He has the ability to score, penetrate, shoot, defend, & be a play maker, while possessing blazing speed and incredible athleticism. Basically just give an assumption or wishful thinking of what his numbers may be and his impact on the season.

Who said he's starting?

MaceCase wrote:Who said he's starting?

If he doesn't, then Larry Drew will probably be jobless before the AS break.

azuresou1 wrote:Who cares? Trade Horford for Motiejunas, Jordan Hill, and Thabeet, and we immediately become a championship team.

I love that green font..LMAO

You guys should cut Ruhiel some slack. He just believes since Motiejunas was considered a top 5 talent, that it will take some serious value to obtain him even though he was the 20th pick. lol

azuresou1 wrote:Who cares? Trade Horford for Motiejunas, Jordan Hill, and Thabeet, and we immediately become a championship team.

Ruhiel Wrote:

Larry Drew will be jobless because Hinrich works better

Who cares Horford says he's going to create from the top of the key because Joe, Josh, Jamal, Bibby, Flip, and not his lack of length have been holding him and his lack of free throws back. Unleash Horford's crossovers and we immediately become a championship team.

Sorry to rain on your parade but Jeff Teague is not exactly what you would call a point guard, or a floor general.

Yes, Jeff Teague works better with a fluid floor spacer. Not a stationary one. All out slashers Jeff Teague and Josh Smith + shooters.

Seriously, Teague likes everything at the basket. Smith likes everything at the basket. Joe can live outside and make plays off the dribble.


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Did you guys ever consider where Horford's "amazing passing skill" come into play with Teague on the floor? Does that speed the game up or slow it down?

We all know Teague's identity does not mesh well with Horford. It's just talented players thrown on the floor. That's why Bibby took Teague's minutes and Hinrich took Teague's minutes and Jordan Crawford was brought in...
Drew may very well be scapegoated but slower, shooters ie Kirk Hinrich work so much better with Horford. They find him off the pick and pop whereas Teague is already at the basket by the time Horford releases the screen.
Joe is trying to get to the basket too but I'd think we all agree Teague does it a lot better than Joe

But of course I'm rambling because I'm talking about big postseason lineups. You guys must be talking about Marvin Williams as the reliable glue guy shooter.

We'll lose against the team with quality big men or just quantity big men. Like last year, 50 wins max, less of course if we bring back Crawford + Joe lineups.

I think Drew has to start Teague for the start of the season. The guy played at a level that unexpectedly surprised everybody. If Drew is simply going to ignore that for a supposedly better fit in Hinrich, then he should lose his job the first month of the season if the Hawks aren't winning. Hinrich better fits the team coming off the bench anyway imo.

Geaux_Hawks wrote:I think Drew has to start Teague for the start of the season. The guy played at a level that unexpectedly surprised everybody. If Drew is simply going to ignore that for a supposedly better fit in Hinrich, then he should lose his job the first month of the season if the Hawks aren't winning. Hinrich better fits the team coming off the bench anyway imo.

Last year, I was certain Drew HAD to play Teague 20 min/game. Didn't happen. Drew is married to his jump shooting offense. He'd rather have Mike Bibby playing defense in lead shoes, remember? He'll start Hinrich, say he's going to give Teague big minutes, then get mad at Teague and bury him.

I think Drew would rather lose and watch a jump shooter run his offense well than to win and watch Teague hit 10 layups a game.

MaceCase wrote:Who said he's starting?

Based on his playoff performance if he doesn't start then Larry Drew should be fired as coach and blackballed by the rest of the teams in the league. I'm not saying he keeps the job as starting PG in the event he got full on himself, didn't work and regressed, but he did enough to earn starting playing time to see how he plays full time. If he plays himself out a job fine, but he shouldn't be able to practice his way out the job. I say this as both a basketball and business decision. Kirk Hinrich is an expiring contract and it would inexcusable not to give a legitimate trial to Teague before a decision has to be made to extend him or let him reach restricted free agency. If I'm the new owner and I hear that Drew's consider anyone else at starting PG then I fire him right then and there.

As far as Drew starting Teague, I think evildallas basically sums it up. His playoff performance alone against the best defensive team in the league on paper with the MVP of the league as its PG grants him the reigns to the team. If he shows that it was just a fluke(Darren Collison) or doesn't want it like he did at that time, then I think Hinrich should step right back into the starting lineup. That decision will probably make or break Drew. The only way I don't see Teague starting is if Drew finds a way to get Teague at least 30 MPG off the bench.

Teague:
* steals
* using picks to score
* score first PG
* wants to dunk everything

How is he supposed to cover this team's weaknesses?

J.J. may have gotten to the crux of the matter when asked today if the way for the Hawks to get their offense back on track is to attack the basket.

“Maybe,” he said. “But you look at a jump-shooting team–we are a jump-shooting team. If shots are falling then, great, we are rolling. But one through five, we all are jump shooters. That’s pretty much what it is. Like I said, if we are making shots then we are probably unstoppable. But when we are not making shots those are the games we have to grind out.”

Your guys expectations for Teague= superstar or bust

Remember who we really" played vs the best defensive team in the league? We took out one jump shooter (Marvin) for non-shooters (Jason Collins, Zaza Pachulia)

Teague's impact was overrated, his potential against the league is not, but if he's thrown into the fire of a jump shooting lineup:
* How is he supposed to find his own jump shot amongst Marvin, Josh, Horford,Joe?
* How is he supposed to cover our defensive deficiencies
* How is he supposed to cover our offensive deficiencies in the regular season lineup?

What are the other options with this roster? They have no post game to speak of, unless L.D. can suddenly convince Smoove that he’s better off in the paint (unlikely since both men see this as a viable option). Joe, Jamal and Al can attack off the dribble but Joe isn’t making his floater now, Jamal’s iso game seems stymied by the offense and Al is more pick-and-pop than pick-and-roll or drives.

The Hawks can try to run more but that means defending, rebounding and/or forcing turnovers (which the Hawks do at a below-average rate). Running also means more turnovers, unless Kirk Hinrich (who is off to a high-turnover start with Atlanta) can organize the break.

And, anyway, the design of L.D.’s offense, at least as recently executed, seems to lend itself to creating open jump shots. Notice that when he talked about a Plan B yesterday, it involved feigning jump shots and driving to the basket past closing defenders. In other words, the main impetus is getting an open jumper and then using that threat to create a better shot, not getting that better shot through the execution of the offense in the first place.

Drew isn't married to his jump shooting offense. His offense is predicated on dictating mismatches. He's tried big lineups and small lineups. What does he do when Teague is doing a great job, Joe is Horford is hitting jumpers, but Smith is outside bricking and no one gets FTA to try the other team's depth and the we get blown out?

Drew isnt married to the "idea" of a jump shooting lineup. But if Teague fails to give us wins and get everyone into the paint vs those big matchup teams Miami and {Dwight} and Chicago+ NYK+MIL and PHI what are Drew's other options?

Think we'll see another trade...

Okay Ruhiel, since you are putting emphasis on the Hawks being strictly a jump shooting team, then Teague's ability to penetrate and get into the paint will benefit the shooters. If you have problems stopping Teague from penetrating, then you will have your defenders hang closer to the paint, leading to better open looks and chances to swing the ball around and find the open shooter or maybe cutter.

Geaux_Hawks wrote:Okay Ruhiel, since you are putting emphasis on the Hawks being strictly a jump shooting team, then Teague's ability to penetrate and get into the paint will benefit the shooters.

If you have problems stopping Teague from penetrating, then you will have your defenders hang closer to the paint, leading to better open looks and chances to swing the ball around and find the open shooter or maybe cutter.

How romantic.
A) How does that solve the defense.
B) Can Teague make Joe Johnson or Marvin do this?
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Teague isn't going to hit any "cutters" outside of a fast break. You have to make the play yourself. Whether thats a dunk a pump fake and dunk. A dribble and dunk. Or you need a wide open lane.

Teague isnt going to make someone do something out of character. Not even CP3 or Magic can make Worthy shoot like Wilkes or Wilkes post like Worthy.

Teague can get your shooter/slasher into position but what you do with the ball is what you do with the ball.
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Defense is the same he's not a fulltime center.


Lets be frank. We want him to fix our roster problems. Superstar or Bust.

I will continue to not comment on your absurd knowledge.

What does David West have to do with Teague?!

Is it crazy that I think Jeff Teague will average 12-15 points, 4-6 assists, 3-4 rbs, and 1 steal per game in 32-36 mins a game? I think he is capable of that and a good block every now and then.

I don't think Hawks fans think Teague is a superstar or bust. That's ridiculous statement. We haven't had an athletic PG since... hmmm... this is kind of a hard question... not hinrich, not bibby, not anthony johnson, not tyrone lue, not acie law, not salim stoudamire, not royal ivey, not speedy claxton, not dan dickau... well ****! Its certainly been a while since we have had an athletic PG.

An athletic starting PG is something different that the Hawks haven't had in a while... we can truly now run and gun. It gives us a good defender and someone really fast! Its not that we think he is a superstar or bust but something different that the Hawks haven't had in a while.

Pump your brakes, broski!!!!!!! Speedy was athletic as sin!!!!
It's just that he was so athletic that his ACL's jumped out of his knees......

Not bad numbers actually, a lil conservative really but already an improvement from what we've usually gotten out of the starting PG spot. If Teague is consistent in that range with decent efficiency then he deserves to start.

Geaux_Hawks wrote:I will continue to not comment on your absurd knowledge.

What does David West have to do with Teague?!

You said we'll have cutters and jump shooters. I wanted to dispel any notion that he is going to fix our individual weaknesses.

Like plays run thru Joe Teague can get you open but what we do with the ball is what we've always done.
Shoot jumpers.

Hawk4Playoffs wrote:Is it crazy that I think Jeff Teague will average 12-15 points, 4-6 assists, 3-4 rbs, and 1 steal per game in 32-36 mins a game? I think he is capable of that and a good block every now and then.

I don't think Hawks fans think Teague is a superstar or bust. That's ridiculous statement. We haven't had an athletic PG since... hmmm... this is kind of a hard question... not hinrich, not bibby, not anthony johnson, not tyrone lue, not acie law, not salim stoudamire, not royal ivey, not speedy claxton, not dan dickau... well ****! Its certainly been a while since we have had an athletic PG.

An athletic starting PG is something different that the Hawks haven't had in a while... we can truly now run and gun. It gives us a good defender and someone really fast! Its not that we think he is a superstar or bust but something different that the Hawks haven't had in a while.

I thought he could be 16 and 6 w/ steals in 36mpg in a drive and dish system.

Ruhiel wrote:

Hawk4Playoffs wrote:Is it crazy that I think Jeff Teague will average 12-15 points, 4-6 assists, 3-4 rbs, and 1 steal per game in 32-36 mins a game? I think he is capable of that and a good block every now and then.

I don't think Hawks fans think Teague is a superstar or bust. That's ridiculous statement. We haven't had an athletic PG since... hmmm... this is kind of a hard question... not hinrich, not bibby, not anthony johnson, not tyrone lue, not acie law, not salim stoudamire, not royal ivey, not speedy claxton, not dan dickau... well ****! Its certainly been a while since we have had an athletic PG.

An athletic starting PG is something different that the Hawks haven't had in a while... we can truly now run and gun. It gives us a good defender and someone really fast! Its not that we think he is a superstar or bust but something different that the Hawks haven't had in a while.

I thought he could be 16 and 6 w/ steals in 36mpg in a drive and dish system.

You bashed me for suggesting the same thing, and isn't that quite low for a "Superstar"?!

16-6-3 & 1.5 steals per was about what i was thinking he would finish the season with. Speedy Claxton was quite an athlete before his injury and Royal Ivey was athletic as well, just not coordinated or worth a toot.