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Ok as you all have heard Chris Paul is probably going to get traded, so I was thinking about a trade between the Hawks and hornets to get the premier PG. I was thinking Teague Josh and a 1st round pick (maybe 2 1st rounders) to Chris Paul.
Why it works for NO: They get a good deal out of it in my opinion, they get a PG for the future who could serve as Paul's replacement, and they get Draft Picks in the first round which would advance them in their rebuilding phase; oh and let's not forget that their getting Josh Smith who's very athletic and can play as a SF (now that he's lost all that weight) or he can serve as David West's replacement at PF.
Why it works for ATL: Well we get a top 5 player and arguably the best PG in the league,(IK IK many people think its D Rose but I'd be happy with either on my team) and Paul would fill the seats at Phillips arena and bring us closer to the title, we'd also actually compete with Miami and Chicago in the playoffs, Atlanta would also be a more desirable destination for Free agents.
What's our sales pitch to Paul going to be to convince him to sign a long term deal with the Hawks: Chris Paul already likes Atlanta saying it's a great place to live, but he wants to compete for titles like every other big superstar; so our pitch would be that we have 2 All-Star players in Joe Johnson and Al Horford signed long term, and that if CP3 came and signed long term we'd have our own big 3 for at least 4 years (and if Joe becomes mediocre and his big deal hadicaps us financially we could save our amnesty clause this year and use it on Johnson in a few years)
New Lineup: option 1: PG: Paul, SG: Hinrich, SF: Joe, PF: Horford, C: The Rookie Benson, or a FA signed to the vet min. Option 2: PG: Paul, SG: Joe, SF: Marvin, PF: Horford, C: Benson or FA, with Hinrich as the 6th man. Option 3: PG: Paul, SG: Hinrich, SF: Joe, PF: a FA, C: Horord.
Thoughts?

BLOCKBUSTER trade idea.

ATL sends Joe, Teague, and Kirk (expiring)
- ATL add mega PG CP3 and great DEF SG/SF to lead with Al and Josh with toughness and real experience. Hawks either add a bench SG like Shannon Brown or J-Rich this summer or a different FA SG next summer. Or with Paul here, we could offer Horford + Ariza + 1st for Dwight.

NOH sends CP3, Ariza, and $3Mil CASH
NOH get all SG, you blazing PG with high potential, and Kirk's $8Mil expiring deal to move forward with. This deal way better than the Knicks, Magic, or Clippers can/will offer the Hornets.

Those Scenarios would be great for the Hawks but it depends on if NO is open to taking Joe's Monster contract and if The Magic accept that Horford Trade because other teams like the Clippers could sent some more enticing offers than us.

Teague, Marvin, and Kirk for Chris Paul and Jarret Jack

if Paul walks, the Hawks still have a good point guard in Jack to take his place.

ACE_reppin_ATL wrote:BLOCKBUSTER trade idea.

ATL sends Joe, Teague, and Kirk (expiring)
- ATL add mega PG CP3 and great DEF SG/SF to lead with Al and Josh with toughness and real experience. Hawks either add a bench SG like Shannon Brown or J-Rich this summer or a different FA SG next summer. Or with Paul here, we could offer Horford + Ariza + 1st for Dwight.

NOH sends CP3, Ariza, and $3Mil CASH
NOH get all SG, you blazing PG with high potential, and Kirk's $8Mil expiring deal to move forward with. This deal way better than the Knicks, Magic, or Clippers can/will offer the Hornets.

I can't see NO wanting JJ. If they do get rid of Paul they need a full-rebuild. JJ is not seen as a positive contract around much of the league.

basic21 wrote:Teague, Marvin, and Kirk for Chris Paul and Jarret Jack

if Paul walks, the Hawks still have a good point guard in Jack to take his place.

I don't see the Hornets wanting Marvin and his contract, and I don't think we could get paul without sacrificing Horford or Josh.

This is what John Hollinger proposed:

Chris Paul, Trevor Ariza, Jarrett Jack and Emeka Okafor to Atlanta

Al Horford, Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, Kirk Hinrich and Jeff Teague to New Orleans.

I feel like we are giving up a lot of talent here. I would hate to give up Horford and Josh. The only way I would give both of those guys up is if we are getting Dwight Howard or a great BIG man like that. I also think teague is going to have a great year.

But then again we do get CP3... what are your feelings about this trade?

That's an awful trade for us; we basically become Hornets + Joe Johnson - David West, with a major hole at the 4, a still crappy 3, and CP3's lack of a meniscus steadily deteriorating.

I mean, I love CP3, but that trade is flat out horrid for us, especially since there's no guarantee CP3 will even be playing in a few seasons.

This trade will not happen. Not trying to be a negative character but neither Dwight nor Paul is coming here I would rather focus on more feasible ideas.

azuresou1 wrote:That's an awful trade for us; we basically become Hornets + Joe Johnson - David West, with a major hole at the 4, a still crappy 3, and CP3's lack of a meniscus steadily deteriorating.

I mean, I love CP3, but that trade is flat out horrid for us, especially since there's no guarantee CP3 will even be playing in a few seasons.

Agreed there's no way we can give up Al AND Josh, Sund needs to tell the hornets take your pick (I would rather give away Josh because Horford is signed here long term and Josh wants a trade) because it would just be wayy too much talent which we would be giving up. Also before we even make the trade CP3 needs to agree to a long term contract with us I don't want to end up in a situation like New Jersey who gave up so much talent and might not even be able to resign Deron.

Superiorblogman,

You sound like you like the core that was stuck on second round three years straight, I am sorry we have to get over the hump. I seen this during Nique time and Deke time as well, I am getting sick of it, if we can bring somebody in that wants to stay with this and win with this team, then I try it. We might not get him but at least we tried.

Then again ASG always screw up anyway. I am tried of been the butt of the jokes in the NBA, always content of the second round.

You know, Teague + Hinrich's expiring + Smith + picks is a decent offer if the New Orleans NBAers want to stay relevant.

Plus we can take on Okafer contact and Al can slide down to PF as well. It's a good trade.

Include CHI who is trying to acquire a shooter for Brewer

Paul and CJ watson to ATL

JC1 (S&T, 7 M a year) + Sy to CHI

Brewer + Teague + Hinrich + ATL 1st + CHI 2nd to NO

Paul- Watson- FA (Carter)
JJ- FA (Mo Evans)
Marvin- Damian- Smoothe
Smoothe- Benson- Rolle
Horford- Zaza- Benson- Collins

3 all stars in starting 5

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... s_For_Paul

My point is what do we have to give without gutting our roster that they would want? The Warriors have Steph Curry on the cheap, Monta whose contract is good and David Lee who does not really have a good contract but he is a big contract plus they have higher future picks than we do. The problem is Paul would probably not agree to resign there because they are a long way away even with him. Paul, Monta, Wright, David Lee, and Biedrins that's probably not even a playoff team. Even if you make it Paul, Monta, Ariza, David Lee, and Okafor that's not a team that will beat the Lakers, Mavs, or Thunder and maybe not even the Spurs. So, they are far away. The Clips supposedly would not include Gordon in any trade so that trade would not be close to what we could do.

We really could offer a good package and I like Paul a lot but just saying I am not willing to gut my team for him considering the other offers they get are going to be petty.

Horford, Hinrich, Teague, Marvin and 1- 1st round pick for Paul and Okafor.

That's one way it is going to work out financially and that is too much for Paul IMO. Plus, they are not going to get a big financial relief from that.

Like I said, I don't see it happening on any side and really don't know how smart it is on any side. We would have to gut our team and they would not get huge relief.

Paul
Joe
?
Josh
Okafor

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=7uqaxof

Jeff, Josh, Kirk, and Zaza and a 1st round pick for Paul and Okafor makes more sense because it would save them a lot of money.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=79wzn3k

Paul
Joe
Marvin
Al
Okafor

No bench, I don't like Marvin as a starter and I don't like Okafor anymore than Al as a C, and we give up picks that would help building.

Don't know about this idea fellas.

8. Al Horford (Atlanta)

A 6’10 banger on a $12 million per year contract that is too big to play power forward, but too small to match up with quality centers night in and night out in the NBA. Tell me, where have we heard this before? Al Horford is Emeka Okafor with a more well-rounded offensive game. Any team that has Horford as a building block will have a quality player and a quality person, but they will have to find the perfect compliment to him in the front court in order to be a serious contender.

5. Josh Smith (ATL)

Smith is a bit of a headcase, and he has a knack for doing some pretty dumb things on the offensive end of the court. All that said, he might be the most naturally gifted player on this list. He is a game changer on the defensive end and he has steadily improved every year offensively. His contract is not bad and it’s not great, as he is owed 25.6 million over the next two years. Ideally, Smith would be a part of a three team deal in which the Hawks recieved another player (Monte or Odom) and the Hornets landed Smith.

GOAT Paul to Atl trade scenario.

3-Team Trade

Atlanta gets: Paul and Brandon Roy

Portland gets: Joe Johnson and Okafor

NO gets: Kirk Hinrich and Marcus Camby's expiring contracts plus 3 1st round picks 2 from Atl and 1 from Portland

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=7slnoub

Paul
Roy
Marvin
Josh
Al

Teague
Zaza
fill out roster

Superiorblogman wrote:GOAT Paul to Atl trade scenario.

3-Team Trade

Atlanta gets: Paul and Brandon Roy

Portland gets: Joe Johnson and Okafor

NO gets: Kirk Hinrich and Marcus Camby's expiring contracts plus 3 1st round picks 2 from Atl and 1 from Portland

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=7slnoub

Paul
Roy
Marvin
Josh
Al

Teague
Zaza
fill out roster

Why would Portland do that? They already have a glut of wings in Batum, Crash, and Wes Matthews, then add a very high priced JJ to that? They also get Okafor's big contract when they have LMA and Oden (more than likely).

uga_dawgs24 wrote:

Superiorblogman wrote:GOAT Paul to Atl trade scenario.

3-Team Trade

Atlanta gets: Paul and Brandon Roy

Portland gets: Joe Johnson and Okafor

NO gets: Kirk Hinrich and Marcus Camby's expiring contracts plus 3 1st round picks 2 from Atl and 1 from Portland

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=7slnoub

Paul
Roy
Marvin
Josh
Al

Teague
Zaza
fill out roster

Why would Portland do that? They already have a glut of wings in Batum, Crash, and Wes Matthews, then add a very high priced JJ to that? They also get Okafor's big contract when they have LMA and Oden (more than likely).

Because Roy is a big ? with a big contract. I am sure they would rather have a healthy JJ for 5 years than Roy for 4 years and getting Okafor over Oden who is also never healthy would allow them to not re-up Oden

Keep in mind that they acquired two wings in Wallace and Matthews because of Roy's unreliable health so UGA's point still stands in why would they muddy up their rotation with a guy who is paid more, guaranteed to be healthy to play plenty of games and would most likely demand his per usual ~40 minutes doing so......and oh, won't be able to be amnestied, ever?