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The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:06 pm
by HMFFL
Sources told ESPN.com that the aforementioned Hawks, meanwhile, engaged Orlando in trade talks for Howard earlier this month with an offer believed to be headlined by $124 million guard Joe Johnson and swingman Josh Smith. You have to figure that the Magic, though, would insist on Al Horford if such discussions ever got serious.
The Hawks are not on Howard's short list of preferred trade destinations alongside the Nets, Los Angeles Lakers and Dallas Mavericks, even though Atlanta is his hometown. That's presumably because Howard wants no part of Atlanta's perpetually unsettled ownership situation. The Hawks nonetheless took the risk of pursuing Howard anyway and, according to sources, felt like they were making some semblance of progress before the Magic shut down talks. http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... for-dwight
Re: The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:12 pm
by basic21
FINALLY!!!
Josh Smith and Dwight Howard supporting their hometown team
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-ryxASWBxA[/youtube]
Re: The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:52 pm
by Skar
Trade isn't going to happen. You don't just trade for a 1 year wonder.
Re: The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:38 pm
by Teflon
The Hawks management are trying to pull a fast one on the fans. Move Johnson and his contract for Howard. If he stays awesome, but if he leaves then Johnson's contract is off the books and Howard looks like the bad guy. Also in the process they can pick up some young assets in a possible sign and trade. It's a win-win for the Hawks if they pull it off.
Re: The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:46 pm
by ATL Boy
I would love Howard but giving away Horford, Joe, and Josh for a rental!?!?!?!?! HELL NO, we'd be laboring away our future for sure, but if it was Joe/Al or Joe/Josh I might do that, and who knows if we kept Josh in the deal then we might convince both to resign long term; they are best friends.
Re: The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:25 pm
by Bucked19
Re: The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:33 pm
by HMFFL
It makes absolutely no sense for Orlando.
Re: The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:56 pm
by Bucked19
HMFFL wrote:It makes absolutely no sense for Orlando.
Yea you're right now that I look at it again,Horford and Kirk for Dwight would be better
Re: The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:26 pm
by Skar
It would make no sense to trade for Howard if Smith is traded for him, Howard will not be happy here at all if that was to happen.
Re: The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:04 pm
by NekiEcko
Skar, you must hate the ASG alot do you?
Besides this is Rick Sund final year as GM, I believe he want to go out with a bang. Besides in this talks (2), Al Horford will be cornerstone of D12 deal. Then you added anybody except Teague or Smith (JJ if he doesnt resigns, killed two birds with one stone) and couple of draft picks for Howard and filiers.
(I got a strangle feeling that Otis Smith will go for JJ contact)
Re: The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 9:47 pm
by Skar
NekiEcko wrote:Skar, you must hate the ASG alot do you?
Besides this is Rick Sund final year as GM, I believe he want to go out with a bang. Besides in this talks (2), Al Horford will be cornerstone of D12 deal. Then you added anybody except Teague or Smith (JJ if he doesnt resigns, killed two birds with one stone) and couple of draft picks for Howard and filiers.
(I got a strangle feeling that Otis Smith will go for JJ contact)
Yes I hate them with a passion.
Re: The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:16 pm
by Superiorblogman
I don't think they will take Joe, but I could be wrong. They just used the amnesty clause of Gilbert so they are already eating a chunk of salary with nothing in return. Don't think they want Joe's contract.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=c4mxukg Let's just face it. We are going to have to give up Josh and Al to get him and I am not for that. Don't know if I would be for that even if he committed to stay. We would not have anything if we gave up both of them.
Josh,Al,Kirk, picks for Dwight and Hedo is probably what it would take. They would not get that from me.
Re: The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:42 pm
by Skar
Then Howard isn't coming here, you don't trade Josh for Howard, his best friend. Howard comes here, Josh is staying here. Only way Howard would agree to this trade with us.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... nba_122811
Re: The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:34 pm
by ATL Boy
Yes normally a GM wouldn't take Joe in that type of deal but then again this is Otis Smith the guy who labored away most of Orlando's great young talent for Hedo and Arenas' awful contracts, and J-Rich; and like Neckiecko said ther's a good chance Otis will take another awful deal. lol
Re: The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:56 am
by parson
Al Horford is much better than Kaman, so why would ORL take Kaman over Horford?
Bucked19, you're not a Hornets fan with dreams of what Kaman can bring, are you? The Clippers spent all of last year trying to trade him. Only as an expiring was he attractive enough. Chris Kaman will not get you Al Horford. Kaman and a first will not do it. You'd have to add a guaranteed top-3 pick to come close.
Re: The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:28 am
by FCNATL85
Horford + Zaza + Green + 2 1st (12 and 14) for Dwight with extension
ATL resigns Benson and Thornton
JT- Pargo- KH
JJ- TMac- Stack
Marvin- Vlad- Thornton
Smoothe- Vlad- Johnson
Dwight- Collins- Benson
We are loosing in depth a bit but have Stack and Benson as insurance player at G/F and big positions. Now the starting five can win it all.
Re: The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:35 am
by FCNATL85
Could slightly be improved by having Zaza sent with a 2nd (or 2) to MIN for Milicic going along Horford, Green and the 2 1st.
Advantage: Milicic is bigger, younger and has one more year on his reasonable contract.
Re: The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:55 am
by FCNATL85
Engaging MIL in the mix:
Zaza + Marvin + Hinrich + 2 2nd to MIL for Bogut (to ORL) and cpt Jax (to ATL)
why? Atl gets another trading chip to throw along with Horford while MIL get cap releif and young blood (Marvin vs Jackson)
Horford + Bogut + Green + ATL 1st to ORL for D12 + JJ2
ORL gets good return with exp plus pick. Gets better depth at the 4-5 position + Green to replace JJ
Bogut- Horford- Orton
Horford- Davis- Anderson
ATL gets D12, aging Jax and shooter JJ2
JT- Pargo- Tmac
JJ1-JJ2- T mac
Radma- Jax- Tmac
Smoothe- Radma- Johnson
D12- Collins- Benson (signed)
Re: The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:20 pm
by tiderulz
ATL Boy wrote:Yes normally a GM wouldn't take Joe in that type of deal but then again this is Otis Smith the guy who labored away most of Orlando's great young talent for Hedo and Arenas' awful contracts, and J-Rich; and like Neckiecko said ther's a good chance Otis will take another awful deal. lol
except Otis isnt calling the shots anymore. Orlando ownership took that away after spending $60mil+
on his last mistake. (should have done it a lot sooner)
Re: The Hawks engaged Orlando in trade talks
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:50 pm
by saloonyk8
The question is whether the ownership is willing to spend the luxury tax. If it is...giving up Teague/Horford gives you an immediate contender...D12/Smith/JJ is balanced, good defensively and makes you an immediate threat to win the east in year 1....
therefore, since it would be my dream come true...it will NEVER happen...