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They might eventually wake up and realize that trading him is what's best for all.

So, what is Nash worth to the Hawks. You are lucky if you get 3 more years out of him. We don't have any eye catching trade options other than Teague, Josh, and Al. I think Teague and Josh for Gortat and Nash would be a horrible trade if we don't win it all and I don't think a team of Nash,Joe,Marvin,Al,and Gortat would be better than the best Sun's teams when Nash was really in his prime. The same would go for a team of Nash,Joe,Marvin,Josh, and Gortat. Not any better than some of the best teams Nash has had and probably worse.

This isn't a trade thread. Just one to gauge rather people think we could win it all with Nash considering we would have to give up a valuable piece like Josh or Al.

I say no way.

2 words. Marvin Williams.

You can put tits on a pig but its still a pig. nash can only do so much.

Depends on what they want for him, there are definitely some delusional Suns fans on this site saying Josh Smith for Steve Nash Straight up. We all know that's never gonna happen nor should it but I think something centered around Hinrich would work for me but IDK if the Suns would. Also I wouldn't give any 1st round picks for him, at all if it's just Steve Nash in the deal.

No he couldn't and it's too late to contemplate him. He's expiring and could move on or even retire at the end of the season. The assets to get him are more valuable than the impact he could have in an abbreviated rental period.

Nash, Lopez and maybe a pick for Marvin and Teague.

myrak433 wrote:Nash, Lopez and maybe a pick for Marvin and Teague.

I wouldn't be willing to give up Teague for Nash. Nash bolts after this year and we are left without a point guard.

I do think it depends on what it would take to bring him in. I think Phx fans want his value of his MVP caliber level while most other teams seem him as a talented player, but one who is expiring and could easily go title chasing.

myrak433 wrote:Nash, Lopez and maybe a pick for Marvin and Teague.

As I stated this is not a trade thread. You need to get over your love affair for Smith he will finally be the one moved. I would not mind that trade honestly but giving up Teague and Marvin for Nash is not going to make us good enough to win it all. Not by a long shot, and that was the premises of the thread. Nash had a prime Shawn Marion, Amare, and J Rich and they could not get it done. Prime Joe, Josh, and Al is the equivalent at best and when you figure in that Nash would have to teach people like Josh how to cut and play and how not to stand on the perimeter in the way while he is trying to prowl the defense. Even if Horford came back this year that team would hardly be better than Miami or Chicago, and maybe not even Indiana or Philly. Some of the interactions between Jeff and Josh this year prove who the real problem with this team is.

I started this thread because I knew it would be interesting.

Superiorblogman wrote:

myrak433 wrote:Nash, Lopez and maybe a pick for Marvin and Teague.

As I stated this is not a trade thread. You need to get over your love affair for Smith he will finally be the one moved. I would not mind that trade honestly but giving up Teague and Marvin for Nash is not going to make us good enough to win it all. Not by a long shot, and that was the premises of the thread. Nash had a prime Shawn Marion, Amare, and J Rich and they could not get it done. Prime Joe, Josh, and Al is the equivalent at best and when you figure in that Nash would have to teach people like Josh how to cut and play and how not to stand on the perimeter in the way while he is trying to prowl the defense. Even if Horford came back this year that team would hardly be better than Miami or Chicago, and maybe not even Indiana or Philly. Some of the interactions between Jeff and Josh this year prove who the real problem with this team is.

I started this thread because I knew it would be interesting.

I am not in Love with Smith. I just wouldn't trade him for that BULL$#!^ you always suggest. I would absolutely trade Josh for the right pieces. And Steve Nash ( in 2012) and Gortat or what ever his name is, are not the right pieces. Now if Nash had about three more years on his deal and he could play at the level he is now for those said three more years then maybe, but that is just to big of a risk. I would move Josh in a Dwight Howard Package though. Hell even Al Jefferson and a first round pick. But I believe we could get Jefferson without having to give up Smith.

you see if is not me with a love affair as much as you just absolutely hating on Smith. when he is our 2nd best player on the team. he is just better than Horford, Teague , Marvin, and who ever else is on this team not named Joe. I would move Teague, Horford, Marvin, Smoove, Joe, ASG, Sund, and Drew if it makes the Hawks better.

myrak433 wrote:

Superiorblogman wrote:

myrak433 wrote:Nash, Lopez and maybe a pick for Marvin and Teague.

As I stated this is not a trade thread. You need to get over your love affair for Smith he will finally be the one moved. I would not mind that trade honestly but giving up Teague and Marvin for Nash is not going to make us good enough to win it all. Not by a long shot, and that was the premises of the thread. Nash had a prime Shawn Marion, Amare, and J Rich and they could not get it done. Prime Joe, Josh, and Al is the equivalent at best and when you figure in that Nash would have to teach people like Josh how to cut and play and how not to stand on the perimeter in the way while he is trying to prowl the defense. Even if Horford came back this year that team would hardly be better than Miami or Chicago, and maybe not even Indiana or Philly. Some of the interactions between Jeff and Josh this year prove who the real problem with this team is.

I started this thread because I knew it would be interesting.

I am not in Love with Smith. I just wouldn't trade him for that BULL$#!^ you always suggest. I would absolutely trade Josh for the right pieces. And Steve Nash ( in 2012) and Gortat or what ever his name is, are not the right pieces. Now if Nash had about three more years on his deal and he could play at the level he is now for those said three more years then maybe, but that is just to big of a risk. I would move Josh in a Dwight Howard Package though. Hell even Al Jefferson and a first round pick. But I believe we could get Jefferson without having to give up Smith.

you see if is not me with a love affair as much as you just absolutely hating on Smith. when he is our 2nd best player on the team. he is just better than Horford, Teague , Marvin, and who ever else is on this team not named Joe. I would move Teague, Horford, Marvin, Smoove, Joe, ASG, Sund, and Drew if it makes the Hawks better.

Smith is not better than Horford and it is not even close. Horford gets the same or better numbers than Smith and shoots a higher percentage from the field and FT line. Once again, Josh highlights are what has guys like you in love with him. Smith does one thing better than Horford and that is block shots. Lastly, you don't have much credibility when you made the claim that Hinrich should be starting. We are 15-19 in regular season games that Hinrich has played in that is a .441 percent winning percentage. Below .500, nowhere near playoff team. We gave up essentially 2 1st rd picks for that, and he started last year when we were going through our worse losing streak since becoming a playoff team. You sound like Sund, one dumb decision does not deserve another. I would trade Josh in a minute before Horford and possibly even before Teague. This should be Teague's rookie year if he had stayed 4 years in college. Josh has been in the league too long to still leave so much to be desired. I give Teague a mini pass.

Smith is not better than Horford and it is not even close. Horford gets the same or better numbers than Smith and shoots a higher percentage from the field and FT line. Once again, Josh highlights are what has guys like you in love with him. Smith does one thing better than Horford and that is block shots. Lastly, you don't have much credibility when you made the claim that Hinrich should be starting. We are 15-19 in regular season games that Hinrich has played in that is a .441 percent winning percentage. Below .500, nowhere near playoff team. We gave up essentially 2 1st rd picks for that, and he started last year when we were going through our worse losing streak since becoming a playoff team. You sound like Sund, one dumb decision does not deserve another. I would trade Josh in a minute before Horford and possibly even before Teague. This should be Teague's rookie year if he had stayed 4 years in college. Josh has been in the league too long to still leave so much to be desired. I give Teague a mini pass.

First I haven't said Kirk should start over Teague since before the Hawks - Bulls playoff series last playoffs. and I really don't care if you find me credible or not, because you have absolutely no credibility with me because it is obvious you blindly despise Josh Smith. Even though Smith plays harder than everyone else on most nights he is the only one you don't give a pass. Even when he is the main reason we win most games you still find some way to HATE on him. 2nd Smith is better than Horford. The only thing Horford is better than Smith is his jump shot. Smith rebounds better than Horford. Smith actually has some post moves, Horford does not (and that is sad for a Center). Smith has better handles than Horford and can drive and create better than Horford. Horford can't create at all. Smith passes better than Horford. Smith just effects the game more than Horford and Ray Charles could have seen that. a

myrak433 wrote:Smith rebounds better than Horford.

Nope. Never has.

I think everyone knows Josh Smith is playing out of position. An athletic garbageman with passing skills and very little power in his game outside of transition game.

Replace Marvin with a quality stretch 4, lets say luxury tax for Ryan Anderson and then get a center.

Stop with the Josh trades every game sbl because you know Hawks have tried and are always getting low balled. We're not getting lotto picks by tanking nor a young center for Josh Smith. Hawks have tried.
And we're not getting a better sg than Joe either. Giving up a lynchpin SF and building around Horford, who says every year some variation of he needs people to carry him in the playoffs, and Teague is pretty stupid.

Saying Smith does one thing better and block shots so trade him is incredibly shallow. Smith is part of the solution not the problem (Marvin).

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The problem is positions is with SMith at PF we're small and he's missing hook shots over giants like Bosh and now we get revealed as jumpshooters.
But make no mistake Smith was inside the paint and passing up jumpshots with T-Mac in the game, like the fans asked for and what happened. Marvin comes in and we start running him off back screens and he cant get free because hes short and slow or hit an open shot.

We cant dictate matchups or box out for extra offensive boards in transition with Marvin and Smith playing as a SF/PF combo. Too small.

So your solution is trade Smith keep Marvin? Does not compute

Ruhiel wrote:I think everyone knows Josh Smith is playing out of position. An athletic garbageman with passing skills and very little power in his game outside of transition game.

Replace Marvin with a quality stretch 4, lets say luxury tax for Ryan Anderson and then get a center.

Stop with the Josh trades every game sbl because you know Hawks have tried and are always getting low balled. We're not getting lotto picks by tanking nor a young center for Josh Smith. Hawks have tried.
And we're not getting a better sg than Joe either. Giving up a lynchpin SF and building around Horford, who says every year some variation of he needs people to carry him in the playoffs, and Teague is pretty stupid.

Saying Smith does one thing better and block shots so trade him is incredibly shallow. Smith is part of the solution not the problem (Marvin).



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The problem is positions is with SMith at PF we're small and he's missing hook shots over giants like Bosh and now we get revealed as jumpshooters.
But make no mistake Smith was inside the paint and passing up jumpshots with T-Mac in the game, like the fans asked for and what happened. Marvin comes in and we start running him off back screens and he cant get free because hes short and slow or hit an open shot.

We cant dictate matchups or box out for extra offensive boards in transition with Marvin and Smith playing as a SF/PF combo. Too small.



So your solution is trade Smith keep Marvin? Does not compute

Can't believe you would utter the words shallow and stupid in the same post. You are the same person that trolls boards with your name as a 2nd rd draft pick and a always hurt Bogut. You are so shallow that it is just gut wrenching, This is not a Josh vs Marvin thing and who would be so stupid to even think anyone will take Marvin without attaching someone more attractive to him. I have a credible source that says we can get a lotto pick plus some for Josh Smith. You vs a credible source, which one do you think I am taking?

Lastly, quit trying to turn every thread into some redundant long worthless post about your opinions. This thread was suppose to simply be about rather Nash could put us over the top. I can understand someone saying it all depends on what we give up, but every thread you go into this redundant mess about a stretch 4 and it is as shallow as can be.

parson wrote:

myrak433 wrote:Smith rebounds better than Horford.

Nope. Never has.

you got me on that one........ well Smith did average more rebounds than Horford last season. but Horford is a center, and smith should never average more rebounds than Horford. so that in itself is a problem.

myrak433 wrote:

parson wrote:

myrak433 wrote:Smith rebounds better than Horford.

Nope. Never has.

you got me on that one........ well Smith did average more rebounds than Horford last season. but Horford is a center, and smith should never average more rebounds than Horford. so that in itself is a problem.

Smith did not average more rebounds than Horford last season

Smith has never averaged more rebounds than Horford in any full season they have both played together. He was averaging more rebounds than Horford during the 11 games they were playing together this year.

myrak433 wrote:

parson wrote:

myrak433 wrote:Smith rebounds better than Horford.

Nope. Never has.

you got me on that one........ well Smith did average more rebounds than Horford last season. but Horford is a center, and smith should never average more rebounds than Horford. so that in itself is a problem.

Ya know, you CAN look this stuff up. Last year, Horford averaged 9.4 rebounds while Josh averaged 8.5.

I have a credible source that says we can get a lotto pick plus some for Josh Smith. You vs a credible source, which one do you think I am taking?

Lastly, quit trying to turn every thread into some redundant long worthless post about your opinions. This thread was suppose to simply be about rather Nash could put us over the top. I can understand someone saying it all depends on what we give up, but every thread you go into this redundant mess about a stretch 4 and it is as shallow as can be.

Horford is a p/c tweener. He'll never average 10rpg in 20-30 minutes like most natural centers can.

2ndly, if you go back and read you said Teague+Josh for Nash. And I said Marvin is still the weak link. It is about what we give up because that team is not better.

And last of all, you have a credible source that says they'll give up a lottery pick??? Who is this credible source and what team pick is it?
Are you withholding info or making information up? Either way seems immature. You dont know how to link to an article? You really have to be mysterious and say "I have a credible source". wth

Ruhiel wrote:

I have a credible source that says we can get a lotto pick plus some for Josh Smith. You vs a credible source, which one do you think I am taking?

Lastly, quit trying to turn every thread into some redundant long worthless post about your opinions. This thread was suppose to simply be about rather Nash could put us over the top. I can understand someone saying it all depends on what we give up, but every thread you go into this redundant mess about a stretch 4 and it is as shallow as can be.

Horford is a p/c tweener. He'll never average 10rpg in 20-30 minutes like most natural centers can.

2ndly, if you go back and read you said Teague+Josh for Nash. And I said Marvin is still the weak link. It is about what we give up because that team is not better.

And last of all, you have a credible source that says they'll give up a lottery pick??? Who is this credible source and what team pick is it?
Are you withholding info or making information up? Either way seems immature. You dont know how to link to an article? You really have to be mysterious and say "I have a credible source". wth

So, I guess Cousins is a natural C since he gets those numbers in 25-30 minutes or Love is a natural C or Rodman a natural C or Gerald Wallace was one when he was getting those numbers in 25-30 minutes. PG Slim, Bogut troll, Ruhiel, whatever you call yourself you are the worst troll I have ever encountered. By the way PF/Center's are usual called bigs not tweeners unless someone just wants to demean a certain player. SF/PF's are the ones called tweeners because they usually create unwanted problems for there teams like Josh Smith does and they are usually inconsistent like Odom, usually don't have ideal skillset for either position. Once again quit trying to sound smart by just typing.

Horford is a p/c tweener. He'll never average 10rpg in 20-30 minutes like most natural centers can.

Good for you on taking "most natural centers" and coming up with Kevin Love, Demarcus Cousins, Gerald Wallace and Dennis Rodman.

The Hawks have always weighed the merits of keeping, or moving, Smith and Horford. Both are tweeners. Horford is undersized at center but doesn't have a face-the-basket game for power forward. Smith has crazy athleticism and skills for someone 6-foot-8 but too often falls in love with 20-foot jumpers. - nba.com

PF/Cs usually have a post up game other than duck in shoulder and crab dribble. So yeah Horford is a tweener. Sorry you are the troll.

Ruhiel wrote:Horford is a p/c tweener. He'll never average 10rpg in 20-30 minutes like most natural centers can.

Good for you on taking "most natural centers" and coming up with Kevin Love, Demarcus Cousins, Gerald Wallace and Dennis Rodman.

The Hawks have always weighed the merits of keeping, or moving, Smith and Horford. Both are tweeners. Horford is undersized at center but doesn't have a face-the-basket game for power forward. Smith has crazy athleticism and skills for someone 6-foot-8 but too often falls in love with 20-foot jumpers. - nba.com

PF/Cs usually have a post up game other than duck in shoulder and crab dribble. So yeah Horford is a tweener. Sorry you are the troll.

You're one dumb SOB. Dalembert is the Center we should have had and he has no post up game. Mutombo was a legit 7 ft plus and had no effective post up game. Your arguments are full of ignorance. Al Horford is the best true big man we have end of story. Josh Smith is a problem causing tweener for his own team.