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Trade Josh for whatever we can get, preferably young talent/a pick or 2. A team like Detroit, Minnesota, maybe even Philly or LAL might want him.

Trading Marvin would be nice, Cleveland, Toronto, Minnesota, LA?

Tank the season. With no Horford and Joe out for a while, we lose a bunch of games. Get a nice couple of picks in a deep draft. Draft somebody like Lamb or Gilchrist or Leonard and another big, Melo maybe.

Amnesty Joe. Someone like Dallas, Chicago, NY or the Clippers will want him and could take a sizable chunk of his contract.

We're on the upswing and have something to get excited about.

Takers?

fuzzy1 wrote:Trade Josh for whatever we can get, preferably young talent/a pick or 2. A team like Detroit, Minnesota, maybe even Philly or LAL might want him.

Trading Marvin would be nice, Cleveland, Toronto, Minnesota, LA?

Tank the season. With no Horford and Joe out for a while, we lose a bunch of games. Get a nice couple of picks in a deep draft. Draft somebody like Lamb or Gilchrist or Leonard and another big, Melo maybe.

Amnesty Joe. Someone like Dallas, Chicago, NY or the Clippers will want him and could take a sizable chunk of his contract.

We're on the upswing and have something to get excited about.

Takers?

oh really, Pistons or the Wolves would trade Monroe or Rubio for Josh

im okay with trading Marvin and getting rid of Joe, but Josh is the Hawks best player, now way are we trading away the best PF in the east.

i'm okay with getting a high draft pick, the way the Spurs sat Robinson all year, even though he wasn't injured, so that they can get Duncan. man, i can't believe that Stern allowed the Spurs to blatantly tank like that, i mean, cheat much?!

........ but yeah, no "Takers", Hawks don't need to jump off the cliff like that, espeically with Horford and Joe coming back in a month.

I am a Taker and no the Pistons or Wolves are not trading Rubio or Monroe but they would possibly trade a piece and a lotto pick. I personally want Josh moved to SF, Al moved to PF, and get a Center. I would be just fine with Joe playing sick the rest of the year and us not making the playoffs to get a lotto pick. I am okay with getting a lotto pick and a young player for Josh. Problem is there isn't a young player worth having that a team would give up and I am not sure a lotto pick is enough. A top 5 pick sure, anything else I am not sure.

The main reason I am a taker is because our management does not care to get us what we need any other way. We should have got Dalembert for the mid-level exception while he was out there but we set and did nothing.

Teague/Pargo/Hinrich (until moved)
Joe/Willie/
Josh/T-Mac/Vlad
Al/Ivan
Dalembert/Zaza/Collins

That was supposed to be our team.

fullcourt wrote:

fuzzy1 wrote:Trade Josh for whatever we can get, preferably young talent/a pick or 2. A team like Detroit, Minnesota, maybe even Philly or LAL might want him.

Trading Marvin would be nice, Cleveland, Toronto, Minnesota, LA?

Tank the season. With no Horford and Joe out for a while, we lose a bunch of games. Get a nice couple of picks in a deep draft. Draft somebody like Lamb or Gilchrist or Leonard and another big, Melo maybe.

Amnesty Joe. Someone like Dallas, Chicago, NY or the Clippers will want him and could take a sizable chunk of his contract.

We're on the upswing and have something to get excited about.

Takers?

oh really, Pistons or the Wolves would trade Monroe or Rubio for Josh

im okay with trading Marvin and getting rid of Joe, but Josh is the Hawks best player, now way are we trading away the best PF in the east.

i'm okay with getting a high draft pick, the way the Spurs sat Robinson all year, even though he wasn't injured, so that they can get Duncan. man, i can't believe that Stern allowed the Spurs to blatantly tank like that, i mean, cheat much?!

........ but yeah, no "Takers", Hawks don't need to jump off the cliff like that, espeically with Horford and Joe coming back in a month.

I never said Rubio or Monroe for Josh. Don't know where you got that, no way in Hell that happens. I meant some pieces, say Beasley and Anthony Randolph, maybe even a pick. The main reason we do this is so we get a good draft pick. Gilchrist and Lamb are future studs, and they could be had in the 5-9 spots.

Not too many centers are available for cheap. Maybe we could get Al Jefferson or Bogut or Kaman, who knows. Maybe Nash could give this team an attitude adjustment, but treading water ain't gonna get it done. Either make a good move or blow it up. Getting our butts handed to us over and over again on national TV is embarrassing.

Also, Josh the best PF in the East? On one of those good nights he has every 5 or so games, sure.

fuzzy1 wrote:

fullcourt wrote:

fuzzy1 wrote:Trade Josh for whatever we can get, preferably young talent/a pick or 2. A team like Detroit, Minnesota, maybe even Philly or LAL might want him.

Trading Marvin would be nice, Cleveland, Toronto, Minnesota, LA?

Tank the season. With no Horford and Joe out for a while, we lose a bunch of games. Get a nice couple of picks in a deep draft. Draft somebody like Lamb or Gilchrist or Leonard and another big, Melo maybe.

Amnesty Joe. Someone like Dallas, Chicago, NY or the Clippers will want him and could take a sizable chunk of his contract.

We're on the upswing and have something to get excited about.

Takers?

oh really, Pistons or the Wolves would trade Monroe or Rubio for Josh

im okay with trading Marvin and getting rid of Joe, but Josh is the Hawks best player, now way are we trading away the best PF in the east.

i'm okay with getting a high draft pick, the way the Spurs sat Robinson all year, even though he wasn't injured, so that they can get Duncan. man, i can't believe that Stern allowed the Spurs to blatantly tank like that, i mean, cheat much?!

........ but yeah, no "Takers", Hawks don't need to jump off the cliff like that, espeically with Horford and Joe coming back in a month.

I never said Rubio or Monroe for Josh. Don't know where you got that, no way in Hell that happens. I meant some pieces, say Beasley and Anthony Randolph, maybe even a pick. The main reason we do this is so we get a good draft pick. Gilchrist and Lamb are future studs, and they could be had in the 5-9 spots.

Not too many centers are available for cheap. Maybe we could get Al Jefferson or Bogut or Kaman, who knows. Maybe Nash could give this team an attitude adjustment, but treading water ain't gonna get it done. Either make a good move or blow it up. Getting our butts handed to us over and over again on national TV is embarrassing.

Also, Josh the best PF in the East? On one of those good nights he has every 5 or so games, sure.

yes see, thank you for making my point for me

fullcourt wrote:but Josh is the Hawks best player, now way are we trading away the best PF in the east.

Say wht now?

Dude. Way to overstate Josh's abilities. I don't think he's Atlanta's best player. I KNOW he's not the best PF in the East.

It is past time to make some significant moves. Especially if Josh Smith can't even keep us competitive and in games while JJ and Horford are out.

Jamaaliver wrote:

fullcourt wrote:but Josh is the Hawks best player, now way are we trading away the best PF in the east.

Say wht now?

Dude. Way to overstate Josh's abilities. I don't think he's Atlanta's best player. I KNOW he's not the best PF in the East.

It is past time to make some significant moves. Especially if Josh Smith can't even keep us competitive and in games while JJ and Horford are out.

are you serious???

.... take out Gasol and Bynum, and does Kobe keep the Lakers competitive... hell no

.... take out Amare and Marion, and does Nash keep the Suns competitive... still, hell no

your post is just so moronic.

Bosh and a bunch of scrubs in Toronto couldn't even carry a team into the playoffs, so why is Josh expected to?

A few things...

1) Josh is not the best PF in the east. (Bosh, Amare)
2) Nash and the Suns beat the Hawks this year already.
3) Kobe would definitely keep the Lakers competitive.

Bonus: Bosh and the Heat, without Wade and Lebron, beat the Hawks this year.

I'm so tired of watching the Hawks at this point. I don't know why I watch every game still, I guess it's the equivalent of a train-wreck.

dpaulh wrote: I don't know why I watch every game still, I guess it's the equivalent of a train-wreck.

We're sitting up with a sick friend.

dpaulh wrote:A few things...

1) Josh is not the best PF in the east. (Bosh, Amare)
2) Nash and the Suns beat the Hawks this year already.
3) Kobe would definitely keep the Lakers competitive.

Bonus: Bosh and the Heat, without Wade and Lebron, beat the Hawks this year.

I'm so tired of watching the Hawks at this point. I don't know why I watch every game still, I guess it's the equivalent of a train-wreck.

Josh: PER 19.6
Bosh: PER 19.3
Amare: PER 16.4

Nash and the Suns also won't make the playoffs and get another lottery pick

i guess you never heard of the 2004-2005 Lakers, 34-48. if you think that Zaza/Rad/Marvin/Kobe/Teague can be competitive, that you are an idiot

I don't see why we should trade a good player under a good contract, even if Josh can be frustrating.
Now if there is no change in management in the next months/years, then maybe...

fullcourt wrote:Josh: PER 19.6
Bosh: PER 19.3
Amare: PER 16.4

Even if PER won't tell you the truth, because Josh increased his PER because of Horford injury, and we would need to know what PER Bosh would have if he was playing with ATL, and Josh for MIA or NYK... the most important point is to puts the PER numbers with Salary numbers :

Josh: PER 19.6 for 12,400,000 / 13,200,000 left
Bosh: PER 19.3 for 16,022,500 / 17,545,000 / 19,067,500 / 20,590,000 / 22,112,500 left
Amare: PER 16.4 for 18,217,705 / 19,948,799 / 21,679,893 / 23,410,988 left

I keep asking this and no one is answering.

ONE team has built through the draft after blowing up the roster and are now a good team (The Thunder). Every other team that blew it up has stunk for years.

WHY in gods name would you want to have a bottom of the barrel, sub 20 win team for the next 5-6 years versus a team that has made the Eastern conference semis 3 years straight and have been more competitive each year. What does having a horrible team do for the franchise?

If you are a Hawks fan, you WATCHED this happend after trading Mookie, Smith and Mutumbo and becoming a 13 win team. What exactly does going back to that help?

We have a good, relatively young team that is struggling while missing a MAJOR part of the team. BLOW IT UP SO WE CAN SUCK FOR A DECADE just seems like one of the dumbest ideas I have heard and no one can explain to me why it would be a GOOD thing.

We have a team that needs to be tweeked. A new SF here, a Rebounding, shotblocking Center off the bench there....not blown up so we can be Bobcats bad.

D21 wrote:I don't see why we should trade a good player under a good contract, even if Josh can be frustrating.
Now if there is no change in management in the next months/years, then maybe...

fullcourt wrote:Josh: PER 19.6
Bosh: PER 19.3
Amare: PER 16.4

Even if PER won't tell you the truth, because Josh increased his PER because of Horford injury, and we would need to know what PER Bosh would have if he was playing with ATL, and Josh for MIA or NYK... the most important point is to puts the PER numbers with Salary numbers :

Josh: PER 19.6 for 12,400,000 / 13,200,000 left
Bosh: PER 19.3 for 16,022,500 / 17,545,000 / 19,067,500 / 20,590,000 / 22,112,500 left
Amare: PER 16.4 for 18,217,705 / 19,948,799 / 21,679,893 / 23,410,988 left

Josh's PER has been the same for years, with or without Horford.

ranking aside, i think Josh for Bosh is a trade would benefit both teams. Josh, with his defense and ability to run would be amazing with stars like Wade and Lebron. Bosh doesn't do well with other stars and needs to dominate the ball (like Crawford), with his ability to iso and score would have a huge impact with the Hawks when the Hawks get into the offensive funks. that is why Bosh had that monster game when Lebron and Wade were out, because he feels more comfortable holding the ball, rather than feeding off Lebron. i think both Josh and Bosh are 25.0 PER guys in the right situation, Josh if he plays with a star and is just asked to play D and catch lobs, Bosh if is a team's #1, dominates the ball, and shoots the ball 25 times a game.

Josh can't hit the jumper as reliably as Bosh which is important when you have two slashers in Wade and Lebron.

fullcourt wrote:Josh's PER has been the same for years, with or without Horford

Right, but what you underlined was the less important thing.
It was only to say that PER numbers cannot tell the truth and shows some example, because if we don't say it ourselves, someone is always coming and screaming it and then say that because of that, your post makes no sense

we can still make the playoffs as an 8th seed with the injuries to Joe and Horf and make some noise in the playoffs. It is possible we can take the Heat or Bulls in a series once Horford comes back.

What I'm saying is:
if you're going to blow it up, don't throw away the season. Do something in the playoffs to keep your fan base into it... THEN, blow it up draft night. If you're trading Smoove, trade him draft night for a top 5 picks/young talent.

as for Marvin - he can be traded at any time.

ZA ZA ZA wrote:we can still make the playoffs as an 8th seed with the injuries to Joe and Horf and make some noise in the playoffs. It is possible we can take the Heat or Bulls in a series once Horford comes back.

What I'm saying is:
if you're going to blow it up, don't throw away the season. Do something in the playoffs to keep your fan base into it... THEN, blow it up draft night. If you're trading Smoove, trade him draft night for a top 5 picks/young talent.

as for Marvin - he can be traded at any time.

really?!?!?!?!?!

ZA ZA ZA wrote:What I'm saying is:
if you're going to blow it up, don't throw away the season. Do something in the playoffs to keep your fan base into it... THEN, blow it up draft night. If you're trading Smoove, trade him draft night for a top 5 picks/young talent.

What fan-base? The ones that show up to every game no matter how things are going? They don't exist for this franchise. There is no-one to keep happy.

Right now I have one foot in and one foot out when it comes to blowing up the team, The ownership doesn't care for this team I have no idea why they even bought it in the first place, that being said if we can find anyone to buy this team, an owner that would care (Someone like Alex Merulo, it almost happened) then don't blow it up and waste the remaining years Al and Josh have in their prime, but if we keep these owners you might as well blow it up. But one thing's for sure, I personally don't want to go through the "dark ages" we had in the 2000s again.

Perhaps "blow it up" is the wrong phrase.

By trading Josh to a bad team for a pick and some other stuff, we can tank to get a pick in the lottery and help Horf/Joe/Teague.

Marvin does not fit on this team.

If we want to get better through trade, we're probably going to have to give up Horford or Smith. Doesn't matter. I greatly prefer Horford but that's just me.

I WOULD really like to see Nash play with Josh. Josh could be damn good with an uptempo point and Nash would be in his ear 24/7.

Maybe we can turn Hinrich and Marvin into Nash and a bad contract (Frye?) in a 3-way. That'd be pretty sweet.