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Andre Drummond is slipping in the draft and no longer a lock for top 3. he could be the answer to the Hawks problems. he is not producing, but alot of freshmen bigs don't produce that much, but he is still 270lbs, big frame, with Dwight type of athleticism. And he doesn't have the health concerns that Oden and Bynum had in high school.

I don't know if their is anyway the Hawks can do a Al Horford or Josh Smith for a draft day trade for Drummond?

I think Drummond's slide has more to do with the fact that many project-types slide around the NCAAs since this is the time that the more polished guys have center stage. Drummond should rise back up the board when individual testing start back up in a few weeks.

As far as trades, I do think that with JJ's contract and our owners obvious aversion to paying the LT, then we need to acquire more cost controlled talent to fill out the team. As we see with Teague, if we can get even a small boost from cost controlled talent, it makes a big difference to the team. So yeah, I wouldn't mind making a play for Drummond who might just be the best C prospect since Oden. Unfortunately, I doubt that we'd be able to get high enough to nab him.

^ i agree, but you never know, just a week ago, Gerald Wallace was traded for a lottery pick.

between Josh Smith and Al Horford, i think it is obvious that Horford has the most trade value.

Wizards, Raptors, Kings, or Pistons might want to pair Horford with Nene, Bargnani, Cousins, or Monroe, and the Bucks have always loved Horford.

monsterblock wrote:between Josh Smith and Al Horford, i think it is obvious that Horford has the most trade value.

Wizards, Raptors, Kings, or Pistons might want to pair Horford with Nene, Bargnani, Cousins, or Monroe, and the Bucks have always loved Horford.

Not sure I agree that Horford has more value right now. Horford is a ? since he's been injured all season and shoulder injuries could play into shooting accuracy - and Horford's mid-range game was one of his strengths. Meanwhile Smoove has reeled off arguably his best season as a player even though he's been paired with Zaza for the bulk of his minutes. Between the 2 right now, I'd guess that right now Smoove would have the edge in terms of trade value.

The bigger ? as to whether we could make it to the top of the draft is whether someone up there believes that they are "1 player away" or not. Typically, teams only think this when there's an injury on the current team (or a GM bad enough that everyone knows who he is due to his ineptitude). I think you're correct in thinking that WASH might be viewing things a bit differently since they've acquired Nene, but I don't see others teams that a match could be made though. WASH could make some sense though since they've got some bigger bodies inside (Booker, Seraphin, and Nene are + sized bigs) and they'd dump Blatche for nothing. Still though, considering that they've got some large holes on their wings, would they decide to exercise their top 5 pick on a PF - a position where they've actually got a little depth?

TRADE...TRADE...TRADE!!!

That's ALL some of you guys post about. The trade deadline is gone, now yall are looking toward the draft to see if we will trade then. I'm not saying to never post about trade ideas or rumors. We all do. But man, KILL that BS for a minute or two.

Why trade Al or Josh and then still need front court help after the trade. The biggest cog in the HAWKS hopes to improve personnel wise is the same with other teams who get stuck and can't make moves. A grossly overpaid player sucks up the cap and the owners don't get creative enough to build around that contract and then realize they can't. THEN THEY FIND OUT the inevitable...YOU CAN'T TRADE IT EITHER!

So SAD.

theatlfan wrote:Not sure I agree that Horford has more value right now. Horford is a ? since he's been injured all season and shoulder injuries could play into shooting accuracy - and Horford's mid-range game was one of his strengths. Meanwhile Smoove has reeled off arguably his best season as a player even though he's been paired with Zaza for the bulk of his minutes. Between the 2 right now, I'd guess that right now Smoove would have the edge in terms of trade value.

The bigger ? as to whether we could make it to the top of the draft is whether someone up there believes that they are "1 player away" or not. Typically, teams only think this when there's an injury on the current team (or a GM bad enough that everyone knows who he is due to his ineptitude). I think you're correct in thinking that WASH might be viewing things a bit differently since they've acquired Nene, but I don't see others teams that a match could be made though. WASH could make some sense though since they've got some bigger bodies inside (Booker, Seraphin, and Nene are + sized bigs) and they'd dump Blatche for nothing. Still though, considering that they've got some large holes on their wings, would they decide to exercise their top 5 pick on a PF - a position where they've actually got a little depth?

the Wiz drafted Vesely and Singleton last year. its hard for me to imagine them giving up on both those guys and going after a SF this year. Wiz are pretty weak at SG and PF with Blatche, Seraphin, and Crawford.

Wiz can go after Lamb, but they might not, cause he is dropping in some mock drafts. so that just leaves the PF spot.

to me, the Nene trade to me was a "win soon" move. a Horford trade could be another "win soon" trade for the Wiz and still stay young.

I like the idea, we’ve pretty much gone as far as we going with this core and Miami & the bull are here for the next few years. Joe’s contract is untradeable, but maybe the Kings 5th and Tyreke Evans for Al, Teague and our first, or if he slide a little Utah’s 7th and Devin Harris for Al, Teague and our first.
If it doesn’t work and Josh walks, we can just build around the big man and Joe can just be the bridge between this team and the next.

monsterblock wrote:the Wiz drafted Vesely and Singleton last year. its hard for me to imagine them giving up on both those guys and going after a SF this year. Wiz are pretty weak at SG and PF with Blatche, Seraphin, and Crawford.

Wiz can go after Lamb, but they might not, cause he is dropping in some mock drafts. so that just leaves the PF spot.

to me, the Nene trade to me was a "win soon" move. a Horford trade could be another "win soon" trade for the Wiz and still stay young.

Big difference between "giving up on a player" and acquiring a player who puts you in a better position to win. You can draft a wing give him 36 minutes per night and still have an hour's worth of PT to spread around before you start looking at backup PG/PF minutes. I'd have to figure that drafting MKG, Beal, and even Barnes would be more appealing than trading for a position where they've actually got some players who are producing now. Now, if we had an AS wing (well, at least one that was a contract that wasn't franchise crippling) for trade, then I could see the conversation being much different...

theatlfan wrote:

monsterblock wrote:the Wiz drafted Vesely and Singleton last year. its hard for me to imagine them giving up on both those guys and going after a SF this year. Wiz are pretty weak at SG and PF with Blatche, Seraphin, and Crawford.

Wiz can go after Lamb, but they might not, cause he is dropping in some mock drafts. so that just leaves the PF spot.

to me, the Nene trade to me was a "win soon" move. a Horford trade could be another "win soon" trade for the Wiz and still stay young.

Big difference between "giving up on a player" and acquiring a player who puts you in a better position to win. You can draft a wing give him 36 minutes per night and still have an hour's worth of PT to spread around before you start looking at backup PG/PF minutes. I'd have to figure that drafting MKG, Beal, and even Barnes would be more appealing than trading for a position where they've actually got some players who are producing now. Now, if we had an AS wing (well, at least one that was a contract that wasn't franchise crippling) for trade, then I could see the conversation being much different...

the Wiz "give up" Blatche, but i don't see them giving up on Vesely.

monsterblock wrote:the Wiz "give up" Blatche, but i don't see them giving up on Vesely.

Still don't see how drafting a wing = giving up on Vesely. The 15 mins/game he's getting now would most certainly still be there as would the opportunity for 2x that. Considering that Wall is the PG, I don't see any issue with pairing Vesely with Barnes (who would be their WCS) either.

Blatche doesn't figure into the their bigs discussion at all - it's Nene/Booker/Seraphin. Why does this matter?

One thing that stands out to me about Andre Drummond is that he gave up his scholarship to a teammate.

Andre Drummond is definitely producing. He produced at rates comparable to what De-Andre Jordan did as a freshman. Slipping from top 3 to top 6 is not much of a slippage and no I would not trade Josh or Al for him because it does not totally solve anything. NO was reportedly willing to give up a lotto pick to take Okafor. We should have done that deal if it did not call for sending back Josh, Joe, Al, or Jeff, and still should do it. Other than that, we should just pick in our place and deal with it because trading Josh or Al for Drummond does not fix anything.

Forget about Drummond, lets hope Meyers Leonard drop far enough for us to make a move on him. Dude is a completely better big man than Drummond is. His size, skillset, explosiveness(for his size), defense, improving shot, and I.Q makes him well worth taking over Drummond. Leonard should be a lock top 5 pick, but won't because that weak Illinois team he played on..

BTW, Drummond is nothing more than an alley oop target that can block shots, like Jordan, and I dont think he is worth the 10 million he got. Drummond actually has more upside, but the way he looks on the court for UConn, that potential is just a waste..

Geaux_Hawks wrote:Forget about Drummond, lets hope Meyers Leonard drop far enough for us to make a move on him. Dude is a completely better big man than Drummond is. His size, skillset, explosiveness(for his size), defense, improving shot, and I.Q makes him well worth taking over Drummond. Leonard should be a lock top 5 pick, but won't because that weak Illinois team he played on..

BTW, Drummond is nothing more than an alley oop target that can block shots, like Jordan, and I dont think he is worth the 10 million he got. Drummond actually has more upside, but the way he looks on the court for UConn, that potential is just a waste..

i saw Meyers Leonard's high school highlights and it impressed me enough that i wanted to follow him in college. he reminded me of Keon Clark in high school. i make myself watch any Illinois game when ever i can, just to scout Meyers. i was hoping to see a guy who can bully his way in the middle and out run and out jump everybody.

i saw the games against Ohio State and it really wasn't good. Meyers was getting pushed around and he wasn't running well and wasn't catching any ally oops. i was really hoping we would see him run the floor well and get some easy dunks, like what Noah did in Florida, but their just was none. and every time he posted up, it looked like he was getting pushed around by the defensive player and would always loose the ball on the way up, which turned into a few air balls.

i still like Leonard, but he is still a project for an NBA, and i would love it if he fell to the Hawks and was given 4 years to develop for the Hawks.

if Drummond's floor is DeAndre Jordan, i'm totally okay with that

i think Meyers averaged 2.0ppg as a freshmen and Drummond averaged 11.0ppg as a freshmen.

at 275lbs, Drummond has 25 more pounds of muscle over Jordan and Chandler but is just as fast and jump just as high. and having an extra 25lbs in basketball is a huge deal. i love the way Drummond runs and jumps and has a huge frame, i think Drummond can be a more athletic version of Bynum or Cousins

monsterblock wrote:

Geaux_Hawks wrote:Forget about Drummond, lets hope Meyers Leonard drop far enough for us to make a move on him. Dude is a completely better big man than Drummond is. His size, skillset, explosiveness(for his size), defense, improving shot, and I.Q makes him well worth taking over Drummond. Leonard should be a lock top 5 pick, but won't because that weak Illinois team he played on..

BTW, Drummond is nothing more than an alley oop target that can block shots, like Jordan, and I dont think he is worth the 10 million he got. Drummond actually has more upside, but the way he looks on the court for UConn, that potential is just a waste..

i saw Meyers Leonard's high school highlights and it impressed me enough that i wanted to follow him in college. he reminded me of Keon Clark in high school. i make myself watch any Illinois game when ever i can, just to scout Meyers. i was hoping to see a guy who can bully his way in the middle and out run and out jump everybody.

i saw the games against Ohio State and it really wasn't good. Meyers was getting pushed around and he wasn't running well and wasn't catching any ally oops. i was really hoping we would see him run the floor well and get some easy dunks, like what Noah did in Florida, but their just was none. and every time he posted up, it looked like he was getting pushed around by the defensive player and would always loose the ball on the way up, which turned into a few air balls.

i still like Leonard, but he is still a project for an NBA, and i would love it if he fell to the Hawks and was given 4 years to develop for the Hawks.

if Drummond's floor is DeAndre Jordan, i'm totally okay with that

i think Meyers averaged 2.0ppg as a freshmen and Drummond averaged 11.0ppg as a freshmen.

at 275lbs, Drummond has 25 more pounds of muscle over Jordan and Chandler but is just as fast and jump just as high. and having an extra 25lbs in basketball is a huge deal. i love the way Drummond runs and jumps and has a huge frame, i think Drummond can be a more athletic version of Bynum or Cousins

I agree, Meyers looked so bad as a freshman that I have serious pause. I have not seen such a improvement and it not be a fluke. I kinda need to see him do it again to get the stink of that freshman year out of my mind.

Superiorblogman wrote:Andre Drummond is definitely producing. He produced at rates comparable to what De-Andre Jordan did as a freshman. Slipping from top 3 to top 6 is not much of a slippage and no I would not trade Josh or Al for him because it does not totally solve anything. NO was reportedly willing to give up a lotto pick to take Okafor. We should have done that deal if it did not call for sending back Josh, Joe, Al, or Jeff, and still should do it. Other than that, we should just pick in our place and deal with it because trading Josh or Al for Drummond does not fix anything.

if he comes into the combine with roughly the same weight and reach as DeMarcus Cousins, and with a vertical of +30 inches, then i would be okay with exploring the option of trading one of the big three for Drummond

Any chance that Drum falls to 19???

I just don't see Andre falling pass the Bucks, since they just traded away Bogut, but then again, both DeAndre Jordan and Whiteside were both projected to be top 5 picks, and ended up falling to the 2nd round.

It would be a gift if the Hawks could get Drummond and still be able to keep Smith and Horford.

Knicks fan just reading thruogh threads, saw drummond and being that I'm a Uconn fan I thought i'd comment.

first off I hope he goes back to Uconn for at least one more year. i still dont think he is ready for the NBA. If You guys went after him, or wherever he goes, that team is going to have to be patient with him and be willing to teach him.

Drummond is big at 260 - 270 ish for a big man yes. He runs extremely fast and gets up and down the court in a flash. You all know he jumps out of the gym.

The thing that bothers me most about drummond is he still doesnt seem to understand how big he is. He gets pushed around at times and he doesnt know how to use his body, muscles, hieght or athleticism to his advantage in most cases. Put him in the post he doesnt know what to do. He likes to post up and do a turn around fade away jump shot but the kid has a an ugly broken jumpshot that needs alot of work. Also did I mention his size? He just shouldnt be doing that. He doesnt know how to get position for rebounds. he gets alot of fouls going over the back trying to use his athleticism for rebounds instead of getting position then grabbing the rebound. its extremely frustrating because if he just gets the fundamentals he can be so much better than he appears right now.

Where Uconn didnt do him justice I will say is they didnt have a pg that could get him the ball at the right time. You saw not only drummond come in and not perform as people expected him to, but Alex Oriaki all of the sudden starts putting up muc lower numbers? Napier was incapable of consistantly keeping the big men involved. On several occassions Drummond would everyone up the floor and he'd be in position to get an easy alley oop, napier just eithe wouldnt see the play unfolding OR he'd see it and opt to create for himself instead. When he did see it and try to make the play it was often a bad pass that not even drummond could grab. Sometimes drummond would nab the bad passes and still convert. Sometimes Napier would get it right and drummond would look awesome. Point being if you have a pg that can run the pick and roll or push the ball up the court, drummond can score in the NBA with ease starting day one, with no training at all. The potential is there.

Also drummond just lacks that agressive mean streak, its just not there. I hope it shows up eventually but someone needs to work some billy madison magic on him so that learns its ok to play mad, get mad at the rim. It seems hard for him to do and his offense, defense and rebounding suffer because of it.

Billy Knight spent THREE years plotting as to how to get Greg Oden.

Jus' sayin'

It might have been easier to have tried to get a date with (insert favorite romantic interest).

There is no way Drummond falls past the 8th pick. None.