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Larry Drew and Rick Sund contracts expire this off season. I liked the job rick sund has done but i dont think larry deserve another contract. I feel the team wins despite larry drew text book coaching. The hawks never take advantage of the mismatches they have on the court. Im not saying he cant coach but he is not the right coach for the hawks. From a talent stand point there are only 5 teams that have better talent than the hawks. But the hawks are never consider serious title contenders.the only way Drew keep his job is reaching the finals. I want to know how everybody feels about drew. Will u be happy if they give drew another contract

I will protest if Drew gets an extension, he's a terrible coach he goes iso all the time and wants nothing to do with young players if not for kirk getting hurt Teague would never have gotten a start, he drove Jordan Crawford out of town, we're successful despite Drew. I also want Sund gone, a corporate yes man who makes terrible trades, he gave 2 1st rounders for Kirk

Man this is a tough one. I am conflicted on this subject.

Larry drew is a ...capable coach. Not great. Not terrible.

He's accomplished some things for the franchise in two years that haven't been done in DECADES:

-Winning a single game in the 2nd round of the playoffs for the first time this century
-Taking a series lead in the 2nd round of the playoffs for the 1st time this century (If only short lived)
-Completing a 5 game road trip with at least 4 wins for the first time in over 40 years
-Has a .500 playoff record as Hawks Coach

I think we can only make a change if a better option is available.

The necessary question to ask is: who are the alternatives? Who is better that would be willing to come to ATL and coach?

The list of coaches before Drew is not very impressive:

Mike Woodson: 206-286 Regular Season Record & 11-18 Playoff Record
Terry Stotts: 52-85
Lon Kruger: 69-122

All first time Head Coaches. All with overall losing records. None highly regarded as HC in the league. Woody only recently got another shot on an interim basis.

Drew has at least improved as a coach and seen some success in the playoffs. Stable organizations don't make HC changes so often. I def am not in favor of a 3rd coach in 3 years. Make changes to the roster, the scouting dept and the ownership. But let's hold off on making a coaching change...for now.

I say Nope but we are dealing the one of the most cheapest and hated ownership in America right now and they know they can pay Drew and Sund on the cheap without them going over.

I thought he still had an option year left so he's technically not up for an extension.....or at least not as far as the ASG is concerned yet.

I can't truly judge Sund because I don't know what was his positions and what was owner edict. From what I know he's not really what I'm looking for in a GM, so I lean to an uneducated no. I have to admit he did a good job of filling in a roster of minimum salaries this year though.

Larry Drew has been successful to an extent, but not what I would consider good. I never favored his hire because I felt the players needed a new and different voice (not a familiar assistant) to reach their potential. The things that stand out to me are the treatment of Teague and Pachulia last year, requiring injuries for him to even learn the capabilities of the roster (Zaza may have not got consistent minutes if Twin didn't get hurt), the lack of correcting bad behavior in stars, and the general lack of in game motivation or defense of his players.

The biggest thing I might have a problem with is his lack of communication and work with the front office. The team overpaid for Kirk Hinrich to upgrade PG and it turns out that a massive PG upgrade was sitting unused on the bench. This year Eric Dampier gets signed because of big man concerns and Drew won't even play him. If he was communicating with the front office about how much he was willing to play Dampier, they wouldn't have committed to Dampier. There something dysfunctional.

Having said that my decision on Drew depends on other organizational plans. If they indeed on playing out the current window of 1 yar (Josh and Zaza play out their deals to free agency) then they might as well keep Drew for that last year because a new coach/system will likely not be fully in effect before the roster changes drastically. If they plan on trading Josh in the off-season then grab a new coach and start fresh. If they plan on signing Josh long term, then grab a new coach for the 4 year window corresponding with Joe's contract. I believe Josh is reaching another level because that is what is needed, not because Drew is leading him there. As such, if you are committing to him for 4 or 5 more years get someone who'll help get the most out of him (and Al and Jeff).

Terry Stots is the best coach this team had since Lenny. He had to start Chris Crawford, Jason Collier and Bob Sura, Ira Newble, Dan Dickau, and Lee Nailon at some point. No way he was going to win.

Woodson and Drew are equally bad. Drew could get better but he doesn't know how to do some pretty simple stuff right now, like understanding when to sub after a comeback and that you don't have to stick with the entire 5.

I wouldn't want to see him extended, but at the same time, where would you go for a coach?

ANY coach that plays J. Collins ANY minutes doesn't deserve ANY consideration for an extension.

I am not a fan or detractor of Drew. If we can get someone better go for it, he has not really made the team any better than Woody but I personally think we need to change some pieces to the player puzzle to get better but I thought the same thing with Woody. Sund needs to go his bad moves far outweigh his good moves, but the truth is as long as the ASG is owning this team Sund and Drew are safe and that is sad.

Rip2137 wrote:where would you go for a coach?

Mike Fratello, he wants to coach again and I'm sure he'll come back for minimal money, heck he wants to coach the Ukraine national team (he is coaching them). This team would thrive with the czar as coach.

What are Sund's bad moves?

Personally his offseason haul of Rad, Tmac, Pargo, Green and Ivan Johnson for next to nothing was pretty good. His getting Jamal Crawford was a great move.

The only bad move I can see is the Bibby, Crawford and a first round pick for Kirk, but that is more Drew's fault than Sunds.

Despite getting nothing out of our point guard play and embarassing levels of defense, he refused to play Jeff Teague and refused to give Jordan Crawford minutes. As the GM, I am actually suprised he didn't trade Teague since the coach refused to play him. No matter how good a player is, if the coach won't give him minutes you either try to fire the coach(which is what Billy knight tried to do with Woodson) or you trade the player for someon the coach would play.

The worse moves Sund has made has been his lack of moves. And we don't know what they were working on. Yes, I am a little disturbed that NeNe apparently could have been had for a crappy player and a 2nd rounder and we didn't offer. Or that Michael Beasly could have been had for Kirk's expiring. Or Ramon Sessions for a expriring and a 2nd rounder. But who knows if Sund offered and was turned down?

What am I missing on Sund?

Rip2137 wrote:What are Sund's bad moves?

Personally his offseason haul of Rad, Tmac, Pargo, Green and Ivan Johnson for next to nothing was pretty good. His getting Jamal Crawford was a great move.

The only bad move I can see is the Bibby, Crawford and a first round pick for Kirk, but that is more Drew's fault than Sunds.

Despite getting nothing out of our point guard play and embarassing levels of defense, he refused to play Jeff Teague and refused to give Jordan Crawford minutes. As the GM, I am actually suprised he didn't trade Teague since the coach refused to play him. No matter how good a player is, if the coach won't give him minutes you either try to fire the coach(which is what Billy knight tried to do with Woodson) or you trade the player for someon the coach would play.

The worse moves Sund has made has been his lack of moves. And we don't know what they were working on. Yes, I am a little disturbed that NeNe apparently could have been had for a crappy player and a 2nd rounder and we didn't offer. Or that Michael Beasly could have been had for Kirk's expiring. Or Ramon Sessions for a expriring and a 2nd rounder. But who knows if Sund offered and was turned down?

What am I missing on Sund?

The Kirk Hinrich move was crippling enough, and his standby during the trade deadline was also a mistake on his part. But lets not forget the fact that he actually entertained a trade of Jamison for Smith and Marvin; and then there was the Joe contract, the max one; i understand that he was pressured into it but that proved that he's nothing was a corporate yes man, and at this stage of his career him being a yes man is just embarrassing

Rip2137 wrote:The worse moves Sund has made has been his lack of moves. And we don't know what they were working on. Yes, I am a little disturbed that NeNe apparently could have been had for a crappy player and a 2nd rounder and we didn't offer. Or that Michael Beasly could have been had for Kirk's expiring. Or Ramon Sessions for a expriring and a 2nd rounder. But who knows if Sund offered and was turned down?

What am I missing on Sund?

I pretty much agree but, to answer your question, let me add that you forgot that Bogut really was available and we didn't get in on that.

Bogut was available for a top 5 scorer in the league. They didn't exactly give him away. I don't think we had anything on this team that they would have traded for Bogut if Monta Ellis was the asking price.

ATL Boy wrote:

Rip2137 wrote:What are Sund's bad moves?

Personally his offseason haul of Rad, Tmac, Pargo, Green and Ivan Johnson for next to nothing was pretty good. His getting Jamal Crawford was a great move.

The only bad move I can see is the Bibby, Crawford and a first round pick for Kirk, but that is more Drew's fault than Sunds.

Despite getting nothing out of our point guard play and embarassing levels of defense, he refused to play Jeff Teague and refused to give Jordan Crawford minutes. As the GM, I am actually suprised he didn't trade Teague since the coach refused to play him. No matter how good a player is, if the coach won't give him minutes you either try to fire the coach(which is what Billy knight tried to do with Woodson) or you trade the player for someon the coach would play.

The worse moves Sund has made has been his lack of moves. And we don't know what they were working on. Yes, I am a little disturbed that NeNe apparently could have been had for a crappy player and a 2nd rounder and we didn't offer. Or that Michael Beasly could have been had for Kirk's expiring. Or Ramon Sessions for a expriring and a 2nd rounder. But who knows if Sund offered and was turned down?

What am I missing on Sund?

The Kirk Hinrich move was crippling enough, and his standby during the trade deadline was also a mistake on his part. But lets not forget the fact that he actually entertained a trade of Jamison for Smith and Marvin; and then there was the Joe contract, the max one; i understand that he was pressured into it but that proved that he's nothing was a corporate yes man, and at this stage of his career him being a yes man is just embarrassing

The Kirk move is not crippling. they gave up a late first round pick and a guy that was never going to play for Drew for a guy that was expiring one year later. Kirk has been pretty bad, but lets be real here. His coach was going with Bibby/Jamlal Crawford at the point. Unless Kirk gets injured, teague never sees the floor. They basically traded those guys for what he believed was going to be our starting point guard.


I don't believe for a second that he entertained Josh and marvin for Jamison. That was some random reporter in Cleveland thinking that we could "pry away" Jamison and Sessions(the guy they gave away from Luke Walton and second rounder" for Josh Freakin Smith and Marvin Williams. It was his guess, not a real trade on the table.

I forgot about the Joe thing, and yes, THAT crippled the franchise and THAT is a horrible move, but like you said...I highly doubt that was a Sund move.

Every big signing Sund has made with the exclusion of Josh and Al has been somewhat bad. Joe has a bad contract, Zaza only looks good when starting, Bibby contract was too long which led to giving away 2 1st for Hinrich which is still a bad move, in life you learn either you are getting better or worse things don't stay the same because time keeps ticking. Marvin re-signing was bad. We have wasted every 2nd rd pick we have had under his tenure and only have 1 1st rd pick to show for his tenure. What exactly has he done other than give away assets? Please quit saying its the ASG not him because if he had made better moves we would not have to keep giving away assets. That's just like saying that Joe Pa did the right thing. Sometimes you got to remove yourself from the situation if it is going so bad that you think it will ruin you or people you care about. Sund, is no better than the ASG if he does not remove himself from the situation. R.I.P. Joe Pa.