Josh Childress

myrak433 · Post #1 » by **myrak433** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:56 pm

the nets waive him..... do you all believe he could help us out?

I believe he would be our best option at defending the SF.

Post #2 » by **HMFFL** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:57 pm

No.

With the way he handled his exit from us, I basically want nothing to do with him, and it's becoming annoying watching him deposit so much free money.

myrak433 · Post #3 » by **myrak433** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:20 pm

yeah I had a problem with that too. but he does score inside and is(was) an excellent defender.

geeman · Post #4 » by **geeman** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:26 pm

I sign him to a 10 day and see how it works.

GrimeyKidd · Post #5 » by **GrimeyKidd** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:38 pm

i like that 10 day idea.

Post #6 » by **ATL Boy** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:54 pm

HMFFL wrote:No.

With the way he handled his exit from us, I basically want nothing to do with him, and it's becoming annoying watching him deposit so much free money.

I agree with this, he showed his true colors in his exit from us

GrimeyKidd · Post #7 » by **GrimeyKidd** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:32 pm

ATL Boy wrote:
HMFFL wrote:No.

With the way he handled his exit from us, I basically want nothing to do with him, and it's becoming annoying watching him deposit so much free money.

I agree with this, he showed his true colors in his exit from us

What did he do?

Rip2137 · Post #8 » by **Rip2137** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:52 pm

He didn't want to play for Mike Woodson. That simple.

The Hawks wouldn't trade him, no other team would offer him a deal because everyone knew Atlanta would match, so he went to Greece. Wash and repeat the next season, finally the team traded him and he came back to the NBA.

I am not really sure what people have against Childress in that situation.

tcorbin · Post #9 » by **tcorbin** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:44 pm

No.... its just going to take away minutes from Tolliver

the Hawks are already 10 deep

Horford/Zaza
Josh/Ivan
Korver/Tolliver
Lou/DeShawn/Morrow
Teague/Harris

again, i would like to see more time given to Tolliver. the only player i would like to see the Hawks add is Keith Benson, and even with Benson, i don't see him getting much playing time.

GrimeyKidd · Post #10 » by **GrimeyKidd** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:01 pm

Rip2137 wrote:He didn't want to play for Mike Woodson. That simple.

The Hawks wouldn't trade him, no other team would offer him a deal because everyone knew Atlanta would match, so he went to Greece. Wash and repeat the next season, finally the team traded him and he came back to the NBA.

I am not really sure what people have against Childress in that situation.

Woodson sucked. I hated him.

GrimeyKidd · Post #11 » by **GrimeyKidd** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:02 pm

tcorbin wrote:No.... its just going to take away minutes from Tolliver

the Hawks are already 10 deep

Horford/Zaza
Josh/Ivan
Korver/Tolliver
Lou/DeShawn/Morrow
Teague/Harris

again, i would like to see more time given to Tolliver. the only player i would like to see the Hawks add is Keith Benson, and even with Benson, i don't see him getting much playing time.

Tolliver is playing out of position and is slow at doing so. i would welcome benson but since LD has his woodson style its not gonna work

Post #12 » by **ATL Boy** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:07 pm

Rip2137 wrote:He didn't want to play for Mike Woodson. That simple.

The Hawks wouldn't trade him, no other team would offer him a deal because everyone knew Atlanta would match, so he went to Greece. Wash and repeat the next season, finally the team traded him and he came back to the NBA.

I am not really sure what people have against Childress in that situation.

He also got pissed when we gave Josh Smith (a far superior player) a new contract before we gave it to him, to me refusing to play when your number is called is unacceptable especially if your making millions to play

FCNATL85 · Post #13 » by **FCNATL85** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:26 pm

Used to be a fan of his back in the days. Not anymore. He is not the same player to start with and most importantly, we are not the same team and would need a bigger improvment to make a move. That's why none of Chill or Benson will join us...but if I had to choose, I would pick Benson!(more upside)

Rip2137 · Post #14 » by **Rip2137** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:31 pm

He was a free agent. How is that not playing when his number was called.

Hawks management told him to wait until Smiths contract got handled before they talked with him...then preceded to not make a offer to Smith either. When the Grizzlies finally offered Smith a contract and they matched they STILL didn't offer Childress a deal. After the entire league saw that they were just using other teams to set their numbers, no one offered him a deal. That's when Greece came knocking. Atlanta THEN offered similar money. He too the Greek deal.

He wasn't being paid millions to play. He had every right to find another deal after the Hawks refused to offer him one.

MaceCase · Post #15 » by **MaceCase** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:33 pm

Hawks actually had Josh find his own deal too, where the rumor goes is that management had offers for both but decided to rescind them and let the two test the market instead.

We can't blame Woody either because Chills issue wasn't neccesarily Woody himself but rather the role Woody placed him in. He resented being looked at as nomore than a bench role player and felt he could and should start......years and numerous coaches later......that still seems as though it will never be the case.

Post #16 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:03 am

I gotta agree with Mace & RIP on this one.

Childress was the victim of questionable negotiating tactics from our skin-flint owners and our stubborn, boneheaded ex-GM (Billy Knight).

He was NOT under contract with us, but we wouldn't renounce his rights so he could sign elsewhere. And we wouldn't offer him a long-term contract.

We tried to force him to play another year here when he was NOT under contract. He didn't want to play without a long term deal or the chance to start.

Two years later, we STILL hadn't renounced his rights and then traded him to PHX for a trade exception we NEVER used and a 2nd rounder that became Mike Scott. We basically went out of our way to screw him over for very little gain. It actually was to the detriment of the team since we had a salary cap hold for multiple years on a guy who wasn't even in the NBA.

But...I do like the 10-day contract suggestion. But only if we option Mike Scott back to the D-League since he seems to be tied to the bench currently.

Rip2137 · Post #17 » by **Rip2137** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:06 am

MaceCase wrote:We can't blame Woody either because Chills issue wasn't neccesarily Woody himself but rather the role Woody placed him in. He resented being looked at as nomore than a bench role player and felt he could and should start......years and numerous coaches later......that still seems as though it will never be the case.

In interviews, it appears that he was saying he was told he would get a chance to try to start, but then when Joe and Marvin got injured and he still wasn't allowed to start, he saw that they only saw him as a bench player and would never give him the chance to be a starter.

Post #18 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:28 am

Just found this writeup from a Hawks fan in J-Chill's last season here. It's a pretty spot on description from what I recall. It's kinda fun searching the boards archives to see what us Hawks fans felt about stuff at a particular time.

conleyorbust wrote:Chil is a great player who does some things very well and some things... not at all. He is great at getting out on the break, great at working the baseline and things that come from that (getting O boards, getting easy looks off of doubles) however he is a pretty weak man defender, isn't much of a playmaker, and rarely shoots the ball.

On the whole he's a great addition to literally any team in the league because he does certain things better than anyone else. He just can't be shoehorned into certain roles ie. go-to scorer or lockdown defender.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=777558

tcorbin · Post #19 » by **tcorbin** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:13 am

Jamaaliver wrote:Just found this writeup from a Hawks fan in J-Chill's last season here. It's a pretty spot on description from what I recall. It's kinda fun searching the boards archives to see what us Hawks fans felt about stuff at a particular time.

conleyorbust wrote:Chil is a great player who does some things very well and some things... not at all. He is great at getting out on the break, great at working the baseline and things that come from that (getting O boards, getting easy looks off of doubles) however he is a pretty weak man defender, isn't much of a playmaker, and rarely shoots the ball.

On the whole he's a great addition to literally any team in the league because he does certain things better than anyone else. He just can't be shoehorned into certain roles ie. go-to scorer or lockdown defender.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=777558

well that was wrong on alot of levels

Chill was an above average man defender and above average to good shooter, as well as a great rebounder for a small forward

but Chill was horrible at dribbling and creating for himself

the thing about Chill is that he didn't do much for 99% of the game, he would hit every open shot he got, but wasn't a guy who could bail you out. Chill was forgettable throughout most of the games except for occasionally getting some sort of critical offensive rebound in the last minute or two at the end of the game, that ultimately helped the Hawks win the game.

Skyhawk1 · Post #20 » by **Skyhawk1** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:27 am

Childress can't shoot or dribble and can't handle the ball either. He's very limited in many aspects of the game for the positions he play (2 and 3). I don't think we need someone that offers what he brings to the table. His deal in Greece might have been great financially for him but he missed on a great opportunity to stay and learn the game the right away. I believe he'll never be able to achieve what he was once capable of.