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Post#1 » by HMFFL » Fri Jan 4, 2013 9:36 pm

Next Two Seasons:
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Any interest?

Sources tell Grantland.com that Memphis has "made it known in preliminary talks with other teams that Rudy Gay could be available via trade."
The Grizzlies are 20-9 and Gay leads them in scoring at 18.0 points per game. But he's set to earn $37 million in the next two seasons and the Grizz are already $4 million over the luxury tax, hence the trade rumors. Still, we'd consider the odds of a deal going down very long. Teams won't be in a hurry to pay Gay's salary and the Grizz could very well decide to just saddle up and make a run at the title this year. They'll need their best pure scorer to do that. http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... ll-he-land
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Post#2 » by Hawk4Playoffs » Fri Jan 4, 2013 10:05 pm

I would love to have Rudy on the Hawks. He is a great scorer and we really need a SF. He does come with a very expensive price tag though. Seeing that we aren't getting any max players in the offseason (assuming dwight and cp3 resign with their respective teams because they make more money there) Rudy is just the guy the Hawks need.

Rudy Gay for Devin Harris, Anthony Morrow and Petro.

This gives the Grizzlies 3 expiring contracts. This gives the Hawks a real good shot at going deep in the playoffs.

C - Horford, Zaza
PF - Josh, Ivan, Scott
SF - Gay, Korver
SG - Deshawn, Jenkins
PG - Teague, Lou

I think we would still have money to resign Teague and Josh in the offseason. I personally would like to have Gay on our team.
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Post#3 » by Rip2137 » Fri Jan 4, 2013 11:18 pm

For trash(like Petro, Harris and Morrow), I would love him. But not for anything more.

But if anyone that trashes Josh's shot selection comes in here praising Rudy Gay, I am going to have to ask if you guys have watched Memphis play. He has HORRID shot selection, especially when you consider Gasol and Randolph are out there and he keeps gunning away with low percentage shots. He CAN score, but he can also shoot you out of a game, much like he did when we played Memphis earlier this season.

If he could accept what his role SHOULD be I would be all for him. As it stands, he thinks he is a elite scorer on a team that doesn't need him to be.
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Post#4 » by ATLHawksfan21 » Sat Jan 5, 2013 12:26 am

I want no part of Rudy. Mainly because he is highly overpaid but also because his game is too similar to Josh's.
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Post#5 » by tcorbin » Sat Jan 5, 2013 1:09 am

this would pull the Hawks out of any race to get Dwight.
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Post#6 » by Jamaaliver » Sat Jan 5, 2013 9:12 pm

I like the potential of a Rudy Gay trade from the perspective that his contract is only for two more seasons after this one. And one of those is a player option.

His FG% is woeful, but his style and production are similar to Josh's, but Gay is a pure SF. Trading Josh for Gay allows Horford to move to his natural PF spot (which I think he's proved he can handle).

If the move was not the fit we need, an expiring contract at that size ($19m for 14-15) would be a real asset to acquire talent.

Zaza, AL and Gay in the front court means Korver (or Jenkins!) can man the SG spot as our shooter without having to guard the elite swing players. Lou goes back to being the super sub. All of a sudden our roles are more defined across the board, and our frontcourt becomes as imposing as Memphis's.

Worse case scenario , we include a third team looking to get younger or dump salary.
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Post#7 » by ferk » Mon Jan 7, 2013 11:26 am

A lot of gays problems is the coach he stinks on offense.
Anyways I think Williams would be a piece the grizz want.
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Post#8 » by truehawksfan121 » Tue Jan 8, 2013 6:16 pm

Rudy gay is someone who we need to go after. We need a dynamic scorer like him. He would be great for the team and help improve our rebound and he is the star the hawks need. I would be very upset if the hawks didnt at least try to get him. Even after getting him we will still have like 23 million in cap room. Rudy will shine here just like harden is shinning for Houston
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Post#9 » by Geaux_Hawks » Tue Jan 8, 2013 6:58 pm

We are probably a better team playing small ball and Gay would probably shine being the obvious #1 guy and having the opportunity to slash and cut with more space. I say do it.
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Post#10 » by Geaux_Hawks » Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:07 pm

ATLHawksfan21 wrote:I want no part of Rudy. Mainly because he is highly overpaid but also because his game is too similar to Josh's.

Gay is a better slasher, cutter, and shooter than Josh. Josh is better playing inside facing up and back to the basket. Both are good in trasition. Gay is just playing on the wrong team. In atlanta he could get out and run more, and would have the ball in his hands more.
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Post#11 » by Rip2137 » Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:43 pm

If someone could magically make it 2010-2011 then sure maybe.

But every single thing people complain about with Josh, Gay does only more often. His shot selection is worse(especially considering the BETTER shot makers he is working with), his playmaking is worse, his defense is worse.

Josh Smith is shooting better from three than Gay and from the field. The reason is Rudy is pressing to still be relevant on a deeper team. Rudy Gay as "the man" hasn't yeilded a single playoff appearance. Why would it suddenly yield one here?
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Post#12 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Jan 8, 2013 8:29 pm

Rip2137 wrote:Rudy Gay as "the man" hasn't yeilded a single playoff appearance. Why would it suddenly yield one here?


Rudy Gay led Memphis in scoring last season when the Grizzlies made the playoffs with a better record than the Hawks. They did this despite the fact Zach Randolph missed half of the season. Gay avg 19 ppg in the regular season and playoffs.

Rudy Gay is the leading scorer on Memphis again as they are poised for yet another playoff appearance. They also have a better record than Atlanta through 32 games.

Gay is indeed struggling this season, but he's consistently avg 19+ points the last few seasons. A number Josh hasn't managed to match. Gay is a better slasher, ball handler as already mentioned. Josh is better on the block and in the paint, though he tends to not consistently stay in that area.
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Post#13 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Jan 8, 2013 9:22 pm

Another thing about trading Josh for Rudy, it allows us to start Zaza and Horford in the frontcourt which has proven effective this season. (See the OKC game, the Indiana game, the 4th quarter vs Detroit)

Josh can play the three, but Gay is a better option at SF on both ends of the floor.

Rudy's FG% and shot selection are a concern, but it falls on Teague, Lou and Devin to run a more efficient offense as opposed to falling back on Iso-Joe, Iso-Josh or Iso-Rudy.
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Post#14 » by Rip2137 » Tue Jan 8, 2013 9:26 pm

So just so we are clear....

Josh Smith shoots 43 percent from the field, 35 percent from 3, for 17 points averages more rebounds, blocks, steals, assist and you are all over him for every single bad quarter he has(not game...quarter).

Rudy Gay shoots 40 percent from the field for and 32 percent from 3 for ONE MORE POINT A GAME....you don't see something wrong with this?

The offense was run through Gasol and Randolph last year. As it is this year until Rudy breaks script and goes nuts.

If there is a question of who is more likely to score 50, then Rudy wins hands down. If its about overall better player, then it isn't really close.

Rudy Gay isn't a elite scorer, or dynamic. He is a volume scorer now. He needs the ball in his hands...alot. And can't really playmake. The only reason his scoring has seemed consistant since they got better is that he is playing with bigs that can pass and demand a double so he is getting alot of open shots instead of just creating on his on. He has shown to not be able to deal with a double and pass out of his offense effectively. So why would you want him as "the man"? The guy had the ball in his hands ALL THE TIME earlier in the role you would want him here and was averaging LESS than 2 assist. I think you have to look at that usage vs assist number and question some things.
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Post#15 » by Rip2137 » Tue Jan 8, 2013 9:31 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Another thing about trading Josh for Rudy, it allows us to start Zaza and Horford in the frontcourt which has proven effective this season. (See the OKC game, the Indiana game, the 4th quarter vs Detroit)

Josh can play the three, but Gay is a better option at SF on both ends of the floor.

Rudy's FG% and shot selection are a concern, but it falls on Teague, Lou and Devin to run a more efficient offense as opposed to falling back on Iso-Joe, Iso-Josh or Iso-Rudy.



Well, I see your 3 games and raise you all the games won with Al and Josh at the 4-5. Zaza-Horford in no way is a better front court than Smith-Horford. Also, Al Horford is NOT a powerforward no matter how much people want to ignore the evidence.

Also, in what world is Gay a better option defensively at the SF than Smith? I am not sold on Smith there, but Gay is NOT a good defender. Josh is better at the 3 on that side.

Also, nothing can be done if you move the ball as you are supposed to and the ball stops when a guy touches because he wants to go hero mode. No matter the offense, its only effective if everyone is locked in. I can't believe that you have watched Rudy play the past couple of years since memphis got good and think that its Conley or anyone elses fault that Rudy takes horrible shots besides Rudy Gay.

This is expecially perplexing coming from the guy that will blame Josh Smith and not the offense for Josh taking a jumper with 1 second left on the shot clock. There is no way to bash Josh's shot selection and not Rudy Gays when, again, Gay's is worse.
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Post#16 » by ATLHawksfan21 » Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:57 am

It is laughable that some of you think Rudy is a better player than Josh and this is just on a strictly player comparison with no mention of Rudy's insane contract. Josh is light years ahead of Rudy if you take into account the contracts. I don't see why people are still looking to keep Horford over Josh either. Horford has shown me nothing this year. He is a below-average shotblocker for his size and position and he cant create his own shot. Horford's offense is standing 10-15 ft out and waiting for someone to cause the defense to collapse due to penetration and then dishing the ball to him for the open jumper. Don't get me wrong, I like Horford and his contract is reasonable, but Josh is clearly the better player of the two.
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Post#17 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Jan 9, 2013 3:58 am

Rip2137 wrote:The offense was run through Gasol and Randolph last year. As it is this year until Rudy breaks script and goes nuts.


Again, Gay had a pretty nice run last year. And Zach Randolph missed almost half the season.
Rudy's been a consistent 19 ppg scorer the last few years. His FG% is abysmal this year, but past year's have been comparable to other top scoring SFs.

Rip2137 wrote:Also, Al Horford is NOT a power forward no matter how much people want to ignore the evidence.

I respectfully disagree. But both Josh and AL are productive PFs.

ATLHawksfan21 wrote:It is laughable that some of you think Rudy is a better player than Josh and this is just on a strictly player comparison with no mention of Rudy's insane contract.


Rudy is a better scorer, which is his role as the SF on a team with Z-Bo and Baby Gasol.
Rudy's contract has only one more guaranteed season after this year. There is an additional player option year on the contract as well. He has a high salary, but with the length of the contract andthe fact that he'll still be in his prime for the duration, I wouldn't call it insane. I suspect it'll be comparable to whatever Josh signs this summer. http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/grizzlies.jsp

ATLHawksfan21 wrote:I don't see why people are still looking to keep Horford over Josh either. Horford has shown me nothing this year. He is a below-average shotblocker for his size and position and he cant create his own shot. Don't get me wrong, I like Horford and his contract is reasonable, but Josh is clearly the better player of the two.


I have no problem admitting that Josh is a better player than AL. He has a higher ceiling, but he also has the lower floor. He shoots an awful FG%, consistently one of the worse among the starters. He leads the team in turnovers every year (I believe this is the 4th year in a row.) Also, even though Josh is the superior player, what does it say that their stats are almost identical. Josh avg 1 point more, but takes 3 extra attempts to get there while shooting 10% worse from the field. Horford is a better rebounder. Josh is a massively better shot blocker. Both guys avg 3+ assists per game, but Josh also avg 3 turnovers a game. Josh is more aggressive, but does not always play smart. AL has tidy stats, but is not much of a pure scorer. He does depend on ball movement and smart guard play to get the ball in good spots. Both have flaws defensively. Josh is quicker, but smaller/weaker. AL is big & strong, but can't block shots. Josh avg 1 more steal, but AL has a higher PER and FG%.

I'd say Josh is the better player, but both are pretty equal as far as production goes. My preference is based on intangibles that I don't believe Josh has. He still makes poor decisions, takes ill-advised shots, camps out at the three point line. But AL's ...timidness is frustrating at times, too. I'd love to see him get more shots considering his scoring avg has increased every single full season he's played. And since he always shoots over 50% from the field every single year.

Basically, which do you prefer: 16 pts & 9 rebs every game (on 52% shooting). Or 31 pts & 12 rebs one game, followed by 6 points and 5 rebs the next game. It all avg out to the same numbers. But one guy is more explosive and dynamic, the other is just more consistent.
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Post#18 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Jan 9, 2013 4:16 am

Rip2137 wrote:Also, nothing can be done if you move the ball as you are supposed to and the ball stops when a guy touches because he wants to go hero mode. No matter the offense, its only effective if everyone is locked in.


This describes both Gay AND Josh. The difference, Gay is in the league as a scorer. That's his purpose. If you look at past seasons, he's scored more efficiently. Josh just sometimes plays as if he's an elite scorer and can hit every shot from all over the floor.
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Post#19 » by Rip2137 » Wed Jan 9, 2013 6:04 am

He averaged .2 more points than last year and shot worse from the field. Thats not more efficient.

He is averaging 1 point more than Josh this year and is shooting 4% worse from two and 3% worse from three. Thats not more efficient. Rudy hasn't shoot better from the field than Josh since the 2007-2008 season. How is he a more effcient scorer?

Gay plays like an elite scorer and hasn't shown himself to be one yet. Josh hasn't either but he is A: Cheaper and B: Better than Gay.
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Post#20 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Jan 9, 2013 6:59 am

I will concede that Rudy Gay is an inefficient scorer.

I'd still trade Josh for Gay, move AL to PF, start Zaza at Center and Korver (or Jenkins!) in at SG. If it doesn't work after a year, we have an expiring contract to dangle.

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