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I for one do not want to see him go


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DO YOU?????

I do. In the past I was highly critical of Joe for the lackluster play and regular inconsistency of the Hawks, but now I see that it's a product of Josh's attitude.

To call him a cancer might be harsh and undeserving, but I want my players to always be pushing themselves to win, rather than being petulant and taking selfish long jumpshots at poor percentages.

Josh is not a cancer...simply he is not a consistent leader (in other words, he is not a leader) but I will never question his heart!

I'd welcome him back for 13-14 mil with open arms, for the max: no

Myrak, scenario for you:

Would you rather keep Josh in a Hawks uniform for the rest of his career, even if the next nine years are like most of the last nine years? Good, competitve teams that max out in the 2nd round. No All-NBA or All-Star selections for Josh.

Or have a less exciting team with no real stars that competes for a title for next few years?

No wrong answer, just curious...

Lmao. This is the same type of thinking that got the team stuck with the previous topped out and overpriced core. Do you want this team to have every available resource to win or do you just want to see your favorite player?

Jamaaliver wrote:Myrak, scenario for you:

Would you rather keep Josh in a Hawks uniform for the rest of his career, even if the next nine years are like most of the last nine years? Good, competitve teams that max out in the 2nd round. No All-NBA or All-Star selections for Josh.

Or have a less exciting team with no real stars that competes for a title for next few years?

No wrong answer, just curious...

to answer you question...... I want both I can be greedy I am a fan. I want a exciting team with at least one superstar that competes for titles year in and year out.
right now we do not have any superstars on this team but Josh is by far the most exciting player. Josh is the only player that any super star would want to play with if they were unable to team up with another super star.

Jamaaliver let me ask you a question. which would you rather have Josh Smith with a super star and other good players or just keep rebuilding year after year? no wrong answer, just curious.

plan and simple I would be upset if we offerd Smith anything less than 13-14 mil a year and he walks. I would not be upset and will understand if we offer him 13- 15 mil max, he turns it down and the FO lets him leaves. if we offer him that and he walks; so be it.


he is not worth 18 mill a year..... but almost, naw I will say it: every team in the NBA would pay him 15 mil a year. just look at some of the players making that kind of money and ask yourself, who would you rather have him or Josh Smith.

MaceCase wrote:Lmao. This is the same type of thinking that got the team stuck with the previous topped out and overpriced core. Do you want this team to have every available resource to win or do you just want to see your favorite player?

I didn't say I feel that Josh should be brought back at all cost. Max 15 mil a year anything more than that let him walk. though I will be sad to see him go

Well you didn't clarify that in your op or thread title. There is only one type of maximum level contract for a veteran of Josh's experience and you pretty blatantly stated even though he "may" not be worth it that that is a price you are willing to see him paid in order to stay.

myrak433 wrote:to answer you question...... I want both I can be greedy I am a fan. I want a exciting team with at least one superstar that competes for titles year in and year out.

Jamaaliver let me ask you a question. which would you rather have Josh Smith with a super star and other good players or just keep rebuilding year after year? no wrong answer, just curious.

Neither, Myrak433.

I want:

1. A team that plays hard, smart, team basketball. Every game. Every play.

2. Professional players who appreciate the fanbase, make me proud to be a Hawks fan, give back to the community, aren't thugs or selfish prima-donnas.

3. A team that competes every few years for a championship, most years for a division title, and every single year for a playoff spot.

Basically, I want the Pittsburgh Steelers. As an NBA franchise.

I want him gone we need to go in a new direction.

MaceCase wrote:Well you didn't clarify that in your op or thread title. There is only one type of maximum level contract for a veteran of Josh's experience and you pretty blatantly stated even though he "may" not be worth it that that is a price you are willing to see him paid in order to stay.

I may have not said that I would be ok with the Hawks letting Josh walk if he demands a Max Contract in my op. but I certainly did not blatantly state that I would be willing to pay him anything in order for him to stay. All I said was I don't want to see him go. if he does, in fact, get a Max deal with the Hawks I will crinch a little bit. but will be glad he is still a Hawk.

now let me reiterate. I DO NOT BELIEVE JOSH SMITH IS A MAX TYPE PLAYER!!!!! and would rather the hawks let him walk before paying him as such. However, 5 years 75 mil would be, in my opinion, fair market value.

Now if he does get a Max Deal from the Hawks I would hope that he would be intuitive enough to work with the FO and construct said contract so it would be friendly enough to bring in some key players. i.e Howard and or Rondo or CP3. yes I feel it could be done Lebron, Wade, and Bosh did it.

lets say he does get 6 years at 108 mill ( I believe that would me the Max for Josh) why couldn't he get 15 mil for the first 2 years, 17 mil 3rd, 18 mil 4th, 20 mil 5th make it a team option, and 23 mil the last year and make it a player option.

the last 2 and a half years maybe bad, but maybe not. if we could get a true team build. Howard, Rondo, Josh, Lou, and a legit SF I don't know maybe Deng we would have a legitamate shot at a champianship. if we were to win one or dare I say it two of them, it would be worth it.

don't you think?

Yungsta404 wrote:I want him gone we need to go in a new direction.

what direction do you want to go in. 2005 Atlana Hawks? I don't

myrak433 wrote:

MaceCase wrote:Well you didn't clarify that in your op or thread title. There is only one type of maximum level contract for a veteran of Josh's experience and you pretty blatantly stated even though he "may" not be worth it that that is a price you are willing to see him paid in order to stay.

I may have not said that I would be ok with the Hawks letting Josh walk if he demands a Max Contract in my op. but I certainly did not blatantly state that I would be willing to pay him anything in order for him to stay. All I said was I don't want to see him go. if he does, in fact, get a Max deal with the Hawks I will crinch a little bit. but will be glad he is still a Hawk.

now let me reiterate. I DO NOT BELIEVE JOSH SMITH IS A MAX TYPE PLAYER!!!!! and would rather the hawks let him walk before paying him as such. However, 5 years 75 mil would be, in my opinion, fair market value.

Now if he does get a Max Deal from the Hawks I would hope that he would be intuitive enough to work with the FO and construct said contract so it would be friendly enough to bring in some key players. i.e Howard and or Rondo or CP3. yes I feel it could be done Lebron, Wade, and Bosh did it.

lets say he does get 6 years at 108 mill ( I believe that would me the Max for Josh) why couldn't he get 15 mil for the first 2 years, 17 mil 3rd, 18 mil 4th, 20 mil 5th make it a team option, and 23 mil the last year and make it a player option.

the last 2 and a half years maybe bad, but maybe not. if we could get a true team build. Howard, Rondo, Josh, Lou, and a legit SF I don't know maybe Deng we would have a legitamate shot at a champianship. if we were to win one or dare I say it two of them, it would be worth it.

don't you think?

If you come out and proclaim that you are a max player..

That there shouldn't be "any hesitation" over receiving a max contract...

That you can't be compared to other players and the situations that may have risen from their max contracts be it good or bad....

Including your very own former teammate and glaring example of the headaches and restrictions that can arise from tying that kind of money into someone undeserving of a max deal, Joe Johnson.....

Because you are Josh Smith.....



That doesn't sound to me like someone who is thinking he will do whatever it takes to make his deal friendly enough to build a contender.......That sounds like someone who wants a max contract. He wasn't discussing finding the right situation in order to win like Bron, Wade and Bosh did. No, he's discussing getting himself paid.

Let's be real, he's not the type of player you want to build around, right? His game is too flawed for that and his attitude is just not that of a leader. Ok, so if he wants anything more than 14 M/season, we got a few days before the trade deadline in order to address that issue. You either trade him or you let him walk for free. Trading options:
Drummond or Monroe from Detroit
Hibbert from Indiana
Jennings and Sanders from the Bucks
Gasol from LA
Nene from the Wiz
Cousins or Evans from the Kings
Paul Milsap from Utah
Batum from Blazers

And there's a lot more out there, it all depends on what the Hawks want to do with Teague as well. Now, I hope the Hawks have leaned that we are going to be just fine without Josh, just like we are without JJ. It's true that in neither case we will be competing for a championship, but at least we will have the flexibility to make moves and put ourselves in a position to turn things around quickly like the Rockets with Asik and Harden. Trust me, the Hawks will be ok without Josh.

There's no way we're getting any of these

Drummond or Monroe from Detroit
Hibbert from Indiana
Jennings and Sanders from the Bucks
Cousins or Evans from the Kings

I would, however, be interested in dealing for Millsap, who has enough versatility that we could go big with Millsap/Horford/Zaza or go small.

myrak433 wrote: Howard, Rondo, Josh, Lou, and a legit SF I don't know maybe Deng we would have a legitamate shot at a champianship. if we were to win one or dare I say it two of them, it would be worth it.

don't you think?

No, dude. This isn't NBA Live. That's a video game lineup that still wouldn't beat Miami or OKC in the playoffs.

And, again, Dwight has 0 desire to play for Atlanta Hawks.

azuresou1 wrote:There's no way we're getting any of these

Drummond or Monroe from Detroit
Hibbert from Indiana
Jennings and Sanders from the Bucks
Cousins or Evans from the Kings

I would, however, be interested in dealing for Millsap, who has enough versatility that we could go big with Millsap/Horford/Zaza or go small.

Milsaps isn't that versitile to play the 3 unless the opposing team is just weak at the 3 spot.

myrak433 wrote:

Yungsta404 wrote:I want him gone we need to go in a new direction.

what direction do you want to go in. 2005 Atlana Hawks? I don't

a direction where we can build a more traditional team and move horford to PF then look for a legit starting center instead of having to shuffle between starting lines up every other game because AL and smoove gets killed inside occasionally.

I don't mind giving Josh max, as long has he can get either Dwight or Chris Paul to Atlanta. Josh's responsibility to get Dwight to Atlanta is what a max franchise player is supose to do, so putting the burdon of getting Dwight or Chris Paul to Atlanta is totally within the scope of what Josh should be doing in the first place, espeically if he wants max.

But it is pointless to give Josh max when Dwight or Chris Paul are not coming, because a max contract with Josh would just keep the Hawks as a pretender and not a contender.

If Josh can't get Dwight or Chris Paul, then might as well just let him walk, and keep some cap flexibility and slowly build around Horford, Lou, and Teague