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Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh

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Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh 

Post#1 » by GrimeyKidd » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:20 pm

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Re: Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh 

Post#2 » by Hawk4Playoffs » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:21 am

Thats a load of crap. When the games hottest shooter starts heating up, you do not leave melo to guard a chandler/felton pick and roll. After the first 2 or 3 three pointers, josh should understand that you have to stick to carmelo. Its between horford and teague to figure out what to do with chandler and felton.

josh is a great help defender but he cannot leave carmelo open.
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Re: Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh 

Post#3 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:38 am

Josh Smith has to be the most polarizing 16 ppg scorer in the history of the NBA.
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Re: Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh 

Post#4 » by Rip2137 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:06 am

Hawk4Playoffs wrote:Thats a load of crap. When the games hottest shooter starts heating up, you do not leave melo to guard a chandler/felton pick and roll. After the first 2 or 3 three pointers, josh should understand that you have to stick to carmelo. Its between horford and teague to figure out what to do with chandler and felton.

josh is a great help defender but he cannot leave carmelo open.



So you would give up wide open dunks and layups.

Whoever wrote that has a understanding of basketball. A three has a smaller chance of going in than a dunk.

Anyone who watched that game with the slightest understanding of basketball defense saw what the problem was.
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Post#5 » by Hawk4Playoffs » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:54 am

No. you have 4 other players on a team other than josh smith. OTHERRRRR players besides josh can help and rotate. you simply do not leave carmelo open.

Carmelo doesn't play much in the post when josh is guarding him. He is always in the perimeter. Josh shouldn't be the one helping unless the pick and roll involves Carmelo.
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Re: Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh 

Post#6 » by GrimeyKidd » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:44 am

Hawk4Playoffs wrote:No. you have 4 other players on a team other than josh smith. OTHERRRRR players besides josh can help and rotate. you simply do not leave carmelo open.

Carmelo doesn't play much in the post when josh is guarding him. He is always in the perimeter. Josh shouldn't be the one helping unless the pick and roll involves Carmelo.


Josh told them too and when they didnt thats what left melo open
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Re: Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh 

Post#7 » by GrimeyKidd » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:45 am

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Hawk4Playoffs wrote:Thats a load of crap. When the games hottest shooter starts heating up, you do not leave melo to guard a chandler/felton pick and roll. After the first 2 or 3 three pointers, josh should understand that you have to stick to carmelo. Its between horford and teague to figure out what to do with chandler and felton.

josh is a great help defender but he cannot leave carmelo open.



So you would give up wide open dunks and layups.

Whoever wrote that has a understanding of basketball. A three has a smaller chance of going in than a dunk.

Anyone who watched that game with the slightest understanding of basketball defense saw what the problem was.


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Re: Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh 

Post#8 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:08 am

Grimey's right.

Josh's man scored 42 points, including the game winner with Smoove on him. But it's not josh's fault. It's EVERYONE else's fault.

It's never Josh's fault. NEVER.

Josh is the greatest defender in the history of basketball and never makes mistake.

I think we all know who's really to blame....Joe Johnson. And Al Qaeda. Maybe Hitler.

But never Josh.
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Re: Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh 

Post#9 » by GrimeyKidd » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:30 am

Jamaaliver wrote:Grimey's right.

Josh's man scored 42 points, including the game winner with Smoove on him. But it's not josh's fault. It's EVERYONE else's fault.

It's never Josh's fault. NEVER.

Josh is the greatest defender in the history of basketball and never makes mistake.

I think we all know who's really to blame....Joe Johnson. And Al Qaeda. Maybe Hitler.

But never Josh.


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Re: Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh 

Post#10 » by Hawk4Playoffs » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:33 am

there is a me in team
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Re: Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh 

Post#11 » by GrimeyKidd » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:35 am

Stop using josh as your outlet on the hawks downfalls. Other then the knicks game. when the hawks lose its because the hawks as a TEAM lost. Didnt execute as a TEAM which leads to loses.
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Re: Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh 

Post#12 » by Hawk4Playoffs » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:43 am

I'm not trying to argue that its always josh's fault.

I'm just saying the knicks game was on him. 2 late turnovers plus a **** job guarding melo.
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Re: Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh 

Post#13 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:56 am

GrimeyKidd wrote:Other then the knicks game. when the hawks lose its because the hawks as a TEAM lost. Didnt execute as a TEAM which leads to loses.


I agree.

It's never Josh's fault.

Josh has us so close to a championship...I can taste it.

He is by far the best player in the league. He deserves $30 million a year. Look at his stats. His team's success rate. And he sells out the place every time the Hawks play.

I mean, c'mon, we once almost made it out the 2nd round.

Josh Smith is the best thing tht ever happened to Atlanta.
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Re: Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh 

Post#14 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:20 am

I mean, seriously, just think how good Josh is.

Josh Smith is:

33rd in scoring
22nd in rebounds
41st in assists
41st in steals
7th in blocks

Those are the numbers of a superstar.
Hands down.

No player or combination of players in the entire history of the universe could ever possibly live up to numbers like that.

No one.
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Re: Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh 

Post#15 » by Rip2137 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:40 am

GrimeyKidd wrote:
Hawk4Playoffs wrote:No. you have 4 other players on a team other than josh smith. OTHERRRRR players besides josh can help and rotate. you simply do not leave carmelo open.

Carmelo doesn't play much in the post when josh is guarding him. He is always in the perimeter. Josh shouldn't be the one helping unless the pick and roll involves Carmelo.


Josh told them too and when they didnt thats what left melo open


We were in a zone with man priciples at the time. If Josh stays home(or anyone for that matter) then its a wide open layup.

That's how defense works. If everyone does their job, you are their for contest. If not, then you have open shots.
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Re: Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh 

Post#16 » by Rip2137 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:42 am

Jamaaliver wrote:Grimey's right.

Josh's man scored 42 points, including the game winner with Smoove on him. But it's not josh's fault. It's EVERYONE else's fault.

It's never Josh's fault. NEVER.

Josh is the greatest defender in the history of basketball and never makes mistake.

I think we all know who's really to blame....Joe Johnson. And Al Qaeda. Maybe Hitler.

But never Josh.



So someone reviewing the video, and professional basketball analyst disagree with your assessment. Good to see you come back with such a strong, thought out argument that shuts their so called "factual and knowledgeable analysis" down.
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Re: Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh 

Post#17 » by PandaKidd » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:12 am

Watched the game last night, and I have to say, the guy does have a point. It goes deeper than that though.

The Hawks played really shoddy defense all game, and Smith almost always was hung out to dry. Lets keep in mind how many times Carmelo has absolutely TORCHED other teams this season. NYK are good at PnR and deceiving/forcing someone to show or cheat. They have scorers that spread the floor, Smith, Felton, Novak, and of course, Melo.

My main gripe is the over and back , illegal screen (mostly Teagues fault) are just boneheaded basketball mistakes. I also think Josh Smith should have passed the ball to stephenson at the end of the game. I never ever ever ever want him shooting 3s. EVER.

The deeper part is, why, after several years of playing together, can no one lead this team. Not the coach, not J Smoov, not Horford. Its just flat out unacceptable to be playing that crappy of a defensive scheme for the core who has been together awhile.

I pin last nights loss
70% LD
10% Smoove
20% Team Defense

Shot 60%, loses game. Cool defense bro
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Re: Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh 

Post#18 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:22 am

Rip2137 wrote:So someone reviewing the video, and professional basketball analyst disagree with your assessment. Good to see you come back with such a strong, thought out argument that shuts their so called "factual and knowledgeable analysis" down.


You're preaching to the choir RIP. I agree with you.

Josh is NOT to blame. Josh is never to blame. When our best player guarded their best player with the game on the line, and Melo drove past Josh for the layup....totally not Josh's fault.

Josh is infallible. He is a max player.

He's even a better player than Dominique Wilkins.

It's Billy Knight's fault for not developing him properly. He's only been in the league 9 years. He's still learning. He's so close to being a 20/10 beast. I can smell greatness on him.
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Re: Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh 

Post#19 » by Skyhawk1 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:36 pm

JOSH SUCKS, that back court violation and the 3pt attempt at the buzzer show how our MAX contract star can impact the game.
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Re: Why you shouldn't 100% Blame Josh 

Post#20 » by Geaux_Hawks » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:08 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
Rip2137 wrote:So someone reviewing the video, and professional basketball analyst disagree with your assessment. Good to see you come back with such a strong, thought out argument that shuts their so called "factual and knowledgeable analysis" down.


You're preaching to the choir RIP. I agree with you.

Josh is NOT to blame. Josh is never to blame. When our best player guarded their best player with the game on the line, and Melo drove past Josh for the layup....totally not Josh's fault.

Josh is infallible. He is a max player.

He's even a better player than Dominique Wilkins.

It's Billy Knight's fault for not developing him properly. He's only been in the league 9 years. He's still learning. He's so close to being a 20/10 beast. I can smell greatness on him.

To even try and blame Josh for Melo making a GW shot is totally asinine. Who hasn't Melo torched in his career? How many GW shots has he not made in his career? You are bashing Josh as if Melo is just some average NBA player. Then you disregard that our team D was horrible as well.

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