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All of this back and forth is making my head hurt. We should have taken care of this last spring, but instead it just drags on.

I am at least little relieved, as trading Josh for Marcin Gortat seems like, at best, a lateral move.

Are we okay as a fanbase with risking Josh walking away to PHX or Dallas for nothing?

Anybody else wish we had at least made a move at James Harden or Rudy Gay?

Which approach do you prefer: Atlanta's wait and see approach or Utah's proactively trade your star player before the drama sets in? (Think Utah/Deron Williams two seasons ago.)

Unless there's a bona fide star player to be had in exchange, indications persist that the Hawks don't want to do anything that cuts into the considerable cap-space haul they're headed for in July. Josh Smith's recent declarations that he sees himself as a max player don't make it any easier to find a trade partner ready to take on the enigmatic swing man in fear of not being able to meet Smith's demands in free agency come July.

I've likewise heard from a couple of teams that have pursued Smith in recent weeks that they've cooled on the idea because the 27-year-old is likewise reluctant to commit to an extension as part of the trade.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/21629829/report-josh-smith-unlikely-to-be-traded-due-to-financial-concerns

And for the record, Pau Gasol is looking like his old (young) self again as he gets healthy.

He'd look damn good in a Hawks frontcourt next to AL.

Post scoring, rebounding, shot blocking. All things we need to get should we trade Josh away.

Kaman and Beasley + Future Dallas 1st to ATL

Smith and Petro + PHO 2nd (#36 at the moment) + Atl 2nd via HOU

Marion to PHO

Kaman- Zaza- Horford
Horford- Johnson- Scott
Beasley- Korver- Stevenson
Korver- Jenkins - Morrow IJ: Williams
Teague- Harris- Pargo

I honestly dont care if he leaves and we get nothing for him. He aint cp3, d12, or carmelo. His trade value is VERY low and he frees up space in our starting frontline for a legit big man. All I hope is we dont resign him.

FCNATL85 wrote:Kaman and Beasley + Future Dallas 1st to ATL

Smith and Petro + PHO 2nd (#36 at the moment) + Atl 2nd via HOU

Marion to PHO

Kaman- Zaza- Horford
Horford- Johnson- Scott
Beasley- Korver- Stevenson
Korver- Jenkins - Morrow IJ: Williams
Teague- Harris- Pargo

kaman and beasley are terrible wtf?

Wait so you are fine with him walking away, why would you balk at any trade?

Anyway, I wish we would have made a run at harden but I don't think we had a realistic package for them to bite (picks or young talent or even a decent replacement at the 2).

Pau's age and his body breaking down is literally the only thing that would give me pause about trading Josh for him. Pau is like a better Al Jefferson (who I am okay with the Hawks trading for).

But like I said earlier, Josh with one answer to a question destroyed all trade value. No team will bite unless they want to sign him to the max....and I am guessing that's a short list.

Rip2137 wrote:Wait so you are fine with him walking away, why would you balk at any trade?

Yeah, I'm hesitant to trade Josh for Kaman, Beasley and change also.

I'd rather he walk than make a bad trade. There's always the possibility of a Sign-and-trade; worse case, his salary comes off the books and we go shopping elsewhere.

Rip2137 wrote:Anyway, I wish we would have made a run at harden but I don't think we had a realistic package for them to bite (picks or young talent or even a decent replacement at the 2).

It definitely would have taken some creativity to get Harden. Josh, Teague, Jenkins & Houston's pick for Harden and Ibaka could have been a starting point.

Devin Harris, James Harden and Lou Williams would have made a hell of a backourt rotation.

Ibaka, Horford and Zaza would be a very productive, defensive frontcourt rotation.

OKC gets a scorer at PF who can guard LeBron in the Finals. Teague (or Devin if they prefer) serves as backup PG when they move Westbrook to SG.

I think giving up 2 starters, a great shooter and a draft pick would be able to pull you more than Harden though. I would have gone after Gay/Randolph with that type of package. I don't think Harden/Ibaka would have been enough of a haul for me to be happy with that one.

would you guys do

Andrea Bargnani + Terrence Ross for Josh Smith (max contract)

it hinges on Josh signing an extension, so most likely through S&T. I just thought Bargnani and Horford are a great fit and Ross is a damn good SG (rather keep him than Derozan but figured you want the cheaper guy) and would be fun to watch with Teague.

Jamaaliver wrote:All of this back and forth is making my head hurt. We should have taken care of this last spring, but instead it just drags on.

I am at least little relieved, as trading Josh for Marcin Gortat seems like, at best, a lateral move.

Are we okay as a fanbase with risking Josh walking away to PHX or Dallas for nothing?

Anybody else wish we had at least made a move at James Harden or Rudy Gay?

Which approach do you prefer: Atlanta's wait and see approach or Utah's proactively trade your star player before the drama sets in? (Think Utah/Deron Williams two seasons ago.)

Unless there's a bona fide star player to be had in exchange, indications persist that the Hawks don't want to do anything that cuts into the considerable cap-space haul they're headed for in July. Josh Smith's recent declarations that he sees himself as a max player don't make it any easier to find a trade partner ready to take on the enigmatic swing man in fear of not being able to meet Smith's demands in free agency come July.

I've likewise heard from a couple of teams that have pursued Smith in recent weeks that they've cooled on the idea because the 27-year-old is likewise reluctant to commit to an extension as part of the trade.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/21629829/report-josh-smith-unlikely-to-be-traded-due-to-financial-concerns

i know, i said the same thing on two other Josh Smith threads already.

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:would you guys do

Andrea Bargnani + Terrence Ross for Josh Smith (max contract)

it hinges on Josh signing an extension, so most likely through S&T. I just thought Bargnani and Horford are a great fit and Ross is a damn good SG (rather keep him than Derozan but figured you want the cheaper guy) and would be fun to watch with Teague.

Friend, for Josh Smith, Bargnani has been offered and rejected sooooo many times in sooooo many places.

And each time, we've asked y'all about Valanciunas.

Well, cross Gasol off the list. I would expect Ferry to allow Smith to expire, feign interest in resigning him while he uses Smith to try to lure Howard with a deal around Horford. Once Howard likely resigns with the Lakers, I would expect a sign and trade of Smith for several expiring contracts and picks while building around Horford and Teague.

Jamaaliver wrote:

Rip2137 wrote:Wait so you are fine with him walking away, why would you balk at any trade?

Yeah, I'm hesitant to trade Josh for Kaman, Beasley and change also.

I'd rather he walk than make a bad trade. There's always the possibility of a Sign-and-trade; worse case, his salary comes off the books and we go shopping elsewhere.

Rip2137 wrote:Anyway, I wish we would have made a run at harden but I don't think we had a realistic package for them to bite (picks or young talent or even a decent replacement at the 2).

It definitely would have taken some creativity to get Harden. Josh, Teague, Jenkins & Houston's pick for Harden and Ibaka could have been a starting point.

Devin Harris, James Harden and Lou Williams would have made a hell of a backourt rotation.

Ibaka, Horford and Zaza would be a very productive, defensive frontcourt rotation.

OKC gets a scorer at PF who can guard LeBron in the Finals. Teague (or Devin if they prefer) serves as backup PG when they move Westbrook to SG.

I couldn't see OKC wanting Smith at a near max deal if they didn't want to give Harden one. Same thing would apply to Teague as they would have to give some cash to a backup. Can't see them piggybacking Ibaka in on that deal to boot. The deal OKC got actually wasn't that bad, a good pick, a solid young piece, and a servicable 6th man (Martin).

Kaman is not to be kept. he is just cap space to make he deal and allow to resign Teague.
It is Beasley + Dal 1st (11th) + cap space

Not sure we would get more than that considering Josh current trade value...

Kaman is not to be kept. he is just cap space to make he deal and allow to resign Teague.
It is Beasley + Dal 1st (11th) + cap space

Not sure we would get more than that considering Josh current trade value...

What about Rondo? The ACL aside, he is probably the closest thing to a star that the Hawks could get for an expiring Smith. Rondo is also cost controlled for a couple more seasons at about $11m per. A team could do worse than starting over with Rondo and Horford.

Who-rod wrote:What about Rondo? The ACL aside, he is probably the closest thing to a star that the Hawks could get for an expiring Smith. Rondo is also cost controlled for a couple more seasons at about $11m per. A team could do worse than starting over with Rondo and Horford.

What's better is building with Teague and Horford AND the assets acquired by either keeping Josh Smith, trading Josh Smith or paying FAs with the salary freed up by Josh Smith.


Then adding a max FA







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I'm willing to predict that there will be no trade and Ferry allows Josh to test the market to set his value. It allows us to retain him or SnT if the deal is right. In the meantime, Ferry will look for UFAs to spend on. If he can bring in someone of substance that Josh would like to play with, he might not have an issue resigning at a reasonable rate.