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I jokingly remarked about his 3 rebounds in 5 minutes but I thought he looked lost and timid, par for a raw youngster.

On the other hand, I was surprised how thin he looked for 265lbs. He carries his weight well and is probably naturally strong. I also liked how long he looked.

We just lost 3 in a row and our starters are whupped. We need SOMEthing to talk about.

Observations? Opinions?

I saw him get solid, DEEP post positions 3 times and not get the ball. He then seemed to let off the gas a little when it came to fighting for position. I was disappointed in him not getting the ball and in him not continuing to work.

Petro has been in the league like a decade and looks lost and timid so I am fine with Tyler getting his minutes.

That's an indictment on Jenkins' playmaking. He was running the show. I liked the way Jenkins looked but if he neglected to feed the big guy, maybe I was looking at him with glasses that were a little bit too rosy.

Getting deep is good and indicates strength - or defensive indifference - and I don't think Karl allows much of that.

Jenkins looked good. Hopefully he continues to work on his ball handling and can be a true backup point for us. He has shown this year he knows how to get to the rim and finish and has decent vision. I don't particularly blame him for missing Tyler, this point guard thing is new to him. Tyler did look a little sulkish when he was getting out the lane to avoid the 3 seconds.

He didnt play well enough, we just cut him

PandaKidd wrote:He didnt play well enough, we just cut him

.... weird

Considering that we could have opened a roster space by sending Tyler to the D League, doesn't this indicate we gave up on him? Either we didn't like what we saw on the court or what we heard in the locker room.

Still take a roster spot even if you are in the DLeague. If you noticed, Scott has been there for the past week so a roster spot should of been open already.

S we just wasted future draft considerations for one week of service?

Ferry may have screwed the pooch on this one.

And kept Petro who is not only spectacularly horrid, but complained, publically, about his lack of playing time. I wonder if there is more to the cut, because there aren't exactly alot of bugs out there for the spot and with Zaza bouncing up and down, we need some insurance.

"Draft considerations" essentially means a 2nd rounder protected out the ass. The Hawks didn't give up anything of value for Tyler as GS was more than happy to dump him just to save a tax bill. The Hawks could just as easily purchase another low end pick for the money that they also received from GS.

Petro is horrid but still spectacularly better than Tyler at this stage of their careers. With Zaza being gimpy, I have no idea why people would feel that a raw as heck sophomore would offer better insurance than Petro who has just demonstrated competency over the past few games.

Given that Devin Harris has also shown a lack of durability, Louis is gone for the year and the, I guess "interesting" would be a nice way of putting it, performance that Jenkins attempted while running the point the other night, the Hawks signed Shelvin Mack as guard insurance. This was something that LD had wanted and discussed about before the trade deadline.

Now if you guys want to rail on Tolliver, be my guest. That should be the focus of your ire for not being cut. A tweener that can neither defend, rebound, or shoot yet still somehow finds major minutes.

Wow, looks like the Hawks FO doesn't believe in 2nd chances, or even 1st chances

Petro played well for one half against Howard then looked like a lost moron again agains the Nuggets. He is not a good finisher, rebounder, defender...the guy is Just bad. Tyler is a 22 year old athletic big that averaged 10-6 as a starter last year. Petro is a 27 year old that has shown nothing and again IS PUBLICALLY COMPLAINING ABOUT PLAYING TIME. That's where my annoyance comes from.

That critique of Tolliver, I don't agree with. He has been a solid defender, he rebounds well for a 6'8" 3 man, and hits the open shot SOMETIMES, but he certainly hasn't been getting MAJOR minutes.

Do you know who looked worse and like even more of a stiff against the Nuggets? Tyler did. A half of good basketball out of the team's 3rd string center going up against one of the best centers in the league even in an injured state after collecting DNPs for most of the season is something to laud not put down. Much better than trying to prop up the next Kito/Solo/RandMo/Hilton/Siler as if putting up less than mediocre stats on a deep lotto team during the end of the season counts as any amount of a positive.

Not that I'm trying to make this a Petro vs. Josh debate (cause God knows how that will end with you) but just to set context, Petro finishes at the rim at the exact same FG percentage, puts up the same rebound percentages, and isn't exactly killing the team on defense either. How you can levy those criticism at him while excusing Tolliver who is TERRIBLE in every aspect including the exact areas he's supposed to specialize in is absolutely beyond me. He doesn't rebound well for a guy who get's boosted by playing considerable time at the 4, barely besting even Kyle. He can't finish from anywhere on the court but I guess being able to hit a 3 SOMETIMES to the tune of 32% makes him a positive. Yup, a 3point shooter who can't even beat Josh sounds like a worthy investment.

Add to it that this bum is averaging 24 minutes in March after seeing an average of 16mpg in February and yea, let's pile on Petro for complaining about playing time when Tolliver is seeing more minutes than both him and Ivan combined. No, that isn't any amount of considerable minutes being handed out to the worst player on the roster but aye, let's blame Petro for taking away a young budding star's chance.

The bum is kinda shooting 54% from 3 lately which is why he is getting more time. He shot over 50% from 3 I. January as well. 40+ percent since the all star break as well.

But ignore that for now. WATCHING the game, are you telling me when it comes to hustle, defensive plays, smart moving of the ball, forcing a guy to give up his dribble, simple boxing out setting the screens on the baseline to free shooters, running the court offensively and defensively that Petro has shown ANYTHING other than a kinda decent half against Dwight? You really going to say Tolliver doesn't consistently do all of the above? I know, there isn't a stat to look at and point any of that out, but sometimes you have to watch the game.

Guys, whatever else, we have to say management either (a) saw nothing in Tyler's ability, (b) saw trouble in Tyler's personality or (c) Keystone Copped a mess.

How'd I know that Rip would be crawling out during this game? Let's ignore February though (oh, the month between January and March) where his minutes first exploded and he rewarded the team with 26% shooting from 3. Nope, lets just prop up a few games in March and January and excuse November and December's sub 30% shooting as well while using the tried and true "watch the games" argument

Dude that post has been there since 4 today. This has nothing to do with this game.

how about this, find another Hawks fan that agrees that Petro has been useful and Tolliver has been a scrud. "watch the game" isn't a tires argument. If you argument is that Anthony Tolliver has been horrible for this team but Petro hasn't, CLEARLY you need to watch a game and stop running to the box score.

MaceCase wrote:How'd I know that Rip would be crawling out during this game? Let's ignore February though (oh, the month between January and March) where his minutes first exploded and he rewarded the team with 26% shooting from 3. Nope, lets just prop up a few games in March and January and excuse November and December's sub 30% shooting as well while using the tried and true "watch the games" argument

Also, weren't YOU the one that brought up him bring a bum getting over 20 minutes a game now? So I can't point out that he is shooting over 50% since he got those minutes? The only reason his minutes went up in Feb was the big minutes he played in big blowout games against Sacramento, Washington and Orlando. He only played more than 16 minutes 2 other games.

I also like how 14 games in January and march are a "few" games but the 10 in February are alot. And if you want to get specific he shot well in 2 of the games in February, so basically you are saying 8 games since the new year are more indicative than every other game. But you go right ahead and emoticon away.

The guy has played well and earned more minutes after sitting on the bench with a bunch of DNPs early in the season. If you can't see that, well...thats on you.