From the Phi. "The Inquirer/Daily News": Smith almost a 6er

[parson]

Learned this from the Trade Board:

Sources from both teams confirmed that the Sixers and the Hawks were close to a deal that would have sent Sixers Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes to the Hawks for forward Josh Smith.

Link: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/six ... Hawks.html

[GrimeyKidd]

Learned this from the Trade Board:

Sources from both teams confirmed that the Sixers and the Hawks were close to a deal that would have sent Sixers Evan Turner and Spencer Hawes to the Hawks for forward Josh Smith.

Link: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/six ... Hawks.html

From how they played against us with josh i wouldve said no too.

[Jamaaliver]

I'd have been a big fan of this trade.

These are the kind of buy-low transactions that San Antonio is notorious for.

We'd have gotten wing help and a real Center to pair with Horford.

Evan and Spencer are playing very poorly now, but have looked pretty good at times in their careers. That team and its roster are in shambles this season thanks to the Bynum fiasco and Doug Collins grating coaching style.
They're in a losing situation this year and they are playing like it.

Hawes is a serviceable big man, a legit 7-footer who can rebound.

Turner is a solid, jack-of-all-trades SF/SG. He's avg 14/7/5 on a bad team with a coach notoriously lacking in offensive philosphy.

Turner by himself is almost matching Josh's production. Hawes' production would no doubt increase with more playing time. (He's never gotten as many as 30 mpg.)

Total conjecture; no way to prove it, but I think this would have been a HUUUUUGE coup for us.

At worse, their contracts are short-term and modest. They'd allow some roster flexibility down the line if their signings didn't pan out.

But I'm calling it now, on the right team Evan Turner is a beast!!!!

[Rip2137]

Evan Turner is a solid bench player. Nothing more, nothing less.

Hawes and Evans just aren't starters in this league. Hawes has a career high of 48 percent from the field which is horrid of a 7'1" center, despite his love of the midrange, and with 30 minutes a game he put up 7 rebounds per game. He is what he is.

Evan is a poor mans Andre Igudola(sp). Decent defender, can put up some points, can find the open man, but a few steps lower than Andre in every aspect.

I would rather sign the real thing then trade an asset for the worse version of him.

[Jamaaliver]

You're not wrong in your analysis, RIP.

I just have a really good feeling about Evan turner. Saw a ton of him in college, think he got the shaft in the pros. He's putting up solid numbers on the worst offensive team in basketball this year. (Washington's numbers are skewed by the Wall injury.)

Hawes FG% is indeed worrisome, but his rebounds (when adjusted for per 36 minutes) are actually higher than Josh's.

I like Iggy and would be in favor of getting him here, but again, value dictates Evans as the better choice since he makes drastically less money, but gives you better production. (And doing so on a team with no offensive identity.)

These guys stabilize the starting lineup. Improve rebounding. Improve perimeter defense.
Replace Smoove's passing in the post and in transition. Provide depth at the Center position.

(think Spurs acquiring Diaw and Stephen Jackson in career worse years. I think we'd have all been surprised by Turner on a team with a real PG and an Xs & Os coach.)

[parson]

Hawes and Evans just aren't starters in this league.

Amen.

Given starter's minutes, Hawes has demonstrated himself to be a lousy postup player (iFG% of .360), a weak rebounder (6.6), a pitiful passer (1.8) and a mediocre shooter (eFG% of .471), defender (eFG% of .505), and shotblocker (1.3).
If we're going to bench Zaza for somebody, I'd rather have more than a guy with a -2 PER and a -3.7 Simple Rating.

Evans is worse: he's Marvin Williams, ie, talented, long, good attitude, looks like he should be a great shooter, etc, who just . . . . fails. After awhile, you have to blame the player.

[Geaux_Hawks]

I think Turner could be a really good player along the lines of a lesser Roy. He can't really be that guy in Philly though with Holiday running the point and Collins not giving Turner a lot of chances.

[Rip2137]

Turner is averaging 36 minutes a game this year.

[Jamaaliver]

Turner is averaging 36 minutes a game this year.

And is out producing Iggy. And is almost matching Josh's production.

[Rip2137]

On a sucky team. On a good team he doesn't deserve those minutes or those shots. Iggy is putting up similar numbers on a team that has nearly 20 more wins. Guess which one is actually more meaningful production?

Marvin averaged 15-5 when we won 37 games. Sheldon Williams averaged like 20-10 when he played more than 25 minutes a game. Guys in the NBA can produce when given shots and minutes. The question is, can your team win while said player is getting the shots and the minutes to produce. Evan Turner is a bench player getting starter minutes.

[Jamaaliver]

Guys in the NBA can produce when given shots and minutes. The question is, can your team win while said player is getting the shots and the minutes to produce. Evan Turner is a bench player getting starter minutes.

I'm adding this to the ever growing RIP's prediction list.

NOTE: That dismissal of Brooklyn after acquiring Joe Johnson is looking worse by the day, BTW.

[Rip2137]

I'm sorry are they Eastern conference contenders in the slightest yet? They are, hat, half a game up on us? However. Is my reduction that they wouldn't be great looking worse. U less you are saying we are great as well since we have basically the same record.

[Jamaaliver]

Nah. Just saying that Brooklyn has essentially been a last place team for the last 6 years.

They trade for Deron Williams and remain a last place team.

They trade for gerald Wallace and remain a last place team.

They trade for Joe Johnson and (in conjunction with the rest of their team) immeidately become one of the top teams in the Eastern Conference.

They stand one win from being in 1st place for their division. And are currently 2.5 games ahead of us.

Considering they haven't sniffed the playoffs in a half decade, I think we can call their team drastically improved. And JJ has played a crucial part in all of it.

[JoshB914]

Did I just read that EVAN TURNER matches Josh Smith's production?

[Jamaaliver]

14/7/4

vs

17/8/4

Josh, obviously, is a much more accomplished shotblocker.

Otherwise, 3pts and 1 reb is the only real difference in stats.

[parson]

Otherwise, 3pts and 1 reb is the only real difference in stats.

Except that Smith - whose shooting we all complain about - shoots 40 points better from the field (.457 to .417) and has almost 50% more steals.

And can defend the rim.

[Jamaaliver]

The FG% is indeed an issue. But the .25 difference in steals...is negligible.

[Rip2137]

It is when few of Smiths steals come from over gambling in the passing lane like Turner does. Smih gambles but Turner gambles instead of playing D. Two different things.

[Jamaaliver]

It is when few of Smiths steals come from over gambling in the passing lane like Turner does. Smih gambles but Turner gambles instead of playing D. Two different things.

RIP, It is mathematically impossible for you to watch as much basketball as you claim, dude. No way you've watched every play of every game for every player in the league.

And Josh gambles...a lot. His blocks come from weakside help when he leaves his man to follow the ball. It's why opposing wings have such wide open shots at crucial times.

Josh is not as strong a wing defender as Turner. He can't move his feet being so tall and long.

[Jamaaliver]

View his scouting report where they mention his defensive abilities several times. Can you honestly tell me you've watched the majority of Evan Turner's games in the pros?

I reject your personal scouting report As it contradicts everything I've ever seen or read or heard regarding Turner's defensive prowess.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Evan-Turner-1115/

Not to mention he's been a starter on one of the bet defensive teams for the last couple of seasons under a veteran, no-nonsense HC who preaches defensive fundamentals.