Jeff Teague offered Q/O

GrimeyKidd · Post #1 » by **GrimeyKidd** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:23 pm

Though Hawks didn't announce it, they issued a $4.5 million qualifying offer to PG Jeff Teague to make him a restricted free agent. Ivan wasnt offered a Q/O but can be signed at a later date

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Post #2 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:50 pm

With CP3 staying in LA, we can still go after Dwight and have money left over. Glad we extended the offer to Teague.

I'd like to see us offer a draft pick to HOU for Thomas Robinson.

Can't wait 2 see Dennis Schroeder in action. Any thoughts on who wins a battle head 2 head between Denny and JT0?

Rip2137 · Post #3 » by **Rip2137** » Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:58 pm

Jeff will easily win because, well, he has played at a high level in the best league in the world while Schroeder has played at a high level in...well....not exactly the best league in the world. Long term, Schroeder could eventually be better than Teague, but I don't really think its even a contest right now.

Post #4 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 12:32 am

Rip2137 wrote:Jeff will easily win because, well, he has played at a high level in the best league in the world while Schroeder has played at a high level in...well....not exactly the best league in the world. Long term, Schroeder could eventually be better than Teague, but I don't really think its even a contest right now.

RIP'S back!!!!!!

Good to see you, bud.

Let me start by saying, I disagree with you wholeheartedly.

(Kidding.)

parson · Post #5 » by **parson** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 1:19 am

The ONLY complaint I've ever had about the way Teague plays PG is that he doesn't have the greatest vision. Unfortunately (and I said this his 1st year), without PG vision, the best he can be is Jason Terry.

I think it's smart to QO Teague, considering his potential. I think it's smart to draft Schröder, considering his greater potential. May the best man win and may the other become really valuable in a trade.

jagstang76 · Post #6 » by **jagstang76** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 1:23 am

I honestly feel they can coexist, at least for a few years. Teague has a great future IMO and could become one of the better PGs in the league. The potential is there for Schroeder to be better, but I think it will take him some time to get up to speed. Just like certain positions in the NFL take time to reach full maturity, PG in the NBA takes a while before their game is fully developed. Some of the best PGs in the league over the last few years have been older. Nash, Kidd, Parker... all took time to season before they became the great PGs they are known as now. It's because that position takes so much more understanding of the game in order to manipulate it to your advantage. Teague is not far from having enough seasoning to know how to put it all together. It may not be this year, or it may be. Schroeder has a lot of tools and some understanding at this point, but his body has yet to mature and he still has to start down this road that Teague has been on for a while already. However, Teague and Devon played well together/sharing the load at PG, so I don't see why Schroeder could come in and develop while filling the role that harris played last year.

Rip2137 · Post #7 » by **Rip2137** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 2:01 am

parson wrote:The ONLY complaint I've ever had about the way Teague plays PG is that he doesn't have the greatest vision. Unfortunately (and I said this his 1st year), without PG vision, the best he can be is Jason Terry.

I think it's smart to QO Teague, considering his potential. I think it's smart to draft Schröder, considering his greater potential. May the best man win and may the other become really valuable in a trade.

His being in the top 12 in assist(with 5 of those guys ahead of him on losing teams) says a lot. 7.2 assist is nothing to sneeze at in todays NBA.

I think he has fine vision, he just isn't good at that pocket pass in the pick and roll, which is oddly becoming a lost art. Late in the season as we started to focus on Horford in the pick and roll more, he looked great.

Post #8 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 2:27 am

Rip2137 wrote: Late in the season as we started to focus on Horford in the pick and roll more, he looked great.

He did look pretty spectacular running the two man game with Horford, averaging 9 assists in February.

Which made his disappearing act and poor shooting even more alarming down the stretch and in the playoffs.

theatlfan · Post #9 » by **theatlfan** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 3:22 am

When Teague is on he's really good. He had 10 games with 20 point and 10 assists last year which only a handful of players did last season (I think the number was 7... definitely < 10). Problem is that he is maddeningly inconsistent, and for all the strides he's made on the Offensive end, he's taken about the same amount of strides backward on D. Still, the flashes of being a true top or 2nd tier PG are there.

Schroeder isn't really in the conversation yet. He's got talent to be sure, but he also turned the ball over in 20% of his possessions last season. He could be very good in time, but let's remember that he's only 19 and will need a few years to develop.

parson · Post #10 » by **parson** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 1:27 pm

theatlfan wrote:Schroeder isn't really in the conversation yet. He's got talent to be sure, but he also turned the ball over in 20% of his possessions last season. He could be very good in time, but let's remember that he's only 19 and will need a few years to develop.

Agreed. He's our 5-star prospect in Triple A ball (Spain). We need to see him up here in the big leagues before we judge what we have. Same goes for Nogueira down in AA.

[Next day edit] Oh, but I just learned from Tom Ziller of SB Nation that Jeff Teague had a 17.6 percent turnover rate last season. Jus' sayin'.

M-C-G · Post #11 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 4:53 pm

Marc Stein: As if their backcourt situation not sufficiently up in air ... hearing Bucks, at behest of new coach Larry Drew, pursuing RFA Jeff Teague Twitter @ESPNSteinLine

What type of offer would it take for ATL not to match? How much do you think Ferry sees this kid as a must keep?

Post #12 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 5:17 pm

M-C-G wrote:
Marc Stein: As if their backcourt situation not sufficiently up in air ... hearing Bucks, at behest of new coach Larry Drew, pursuing RFA Jeff Teague Twitter @ESPNSteinLine

What type of offer would it take for ATL not to match? How much do you think Ferry sees this kid as a must keep?

I don't think Ferry views anyone as a must keep n our roster. Least of all Teague since we just dropped a 1st rounder on another young PG prospect.

Any offer over $10 million per year would be highly unlikely for us to match.

parson · Post #13 » by **parson** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 5:20 pm

M-C-G wrote:
Marc Stein: As if their backcourt situation not sufficiently up in air ... hearing Bucks, at behest of new coach Larry Drew, pursuing RFA Jeff Teague Twitter @ESPNSteinLine

What type of offer would it take for ATL not to match? How much do you think Ferry sees this kid as a must keep?

What have y'all been saying you'll offer?

M-C-G · Post #14 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 5:40 pm

parson wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
Marc Stein: As if their backcourt situation not sufficiently up in air ... hearing Bucks, at behest of new coach Larry Drew, pursuing RFA Jeff Teague Twitter @ESPNSteinLine

What type of offer would it take for ATL not to match? How much do you think Ferry sees this kid as a must keep?

What have y'all been saying you'll offer?

It's all over the place. I think people are going crazy with offers because it would mean we'd be moving on from Jennings, which most of us are ready to do. I don't think we have a consensus, but if we did, I bet it would be around 10M.

Personally, I'd offer him 4/36, and leave it up to ATL if they want to match. I like him, but I don't view him as being
a top PG that is going to put us over the hump. Plus, while he is better than Jennings, I'd like to see what a new coaching staff can do with Jennings.

Post #15 » by **dms269** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 5:42 pm

I'm not sure that Teague would accept a deal from the Bucks due to his past history with Ferry.

Post #16 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 5:58 pm

uga_dawgs24 wrote:I'm not sure that Teague would accept a deal from the Bucks due to his past history with Ferry.

You mean with Drew?

I have heard it mentioned here, but I never got the feeling Jeff and Larry had a bad relationship. They had success together, and $10 million per year is a lot of money.

parson · Post #17 » by **parson** » Mon Jul 1, 2013 6:20 pm

M-C-G wrote:It's all over the place. I think people are going crazy with offers because it would mean we'd be moving on from Jennings, which most of us are ready to do.

I understand fully. Like Josh Smith, Jennings is fantastically talented and driven to win, yet even more fantastically frustrating. Hopefully, we'll both be able to SNT them for what they're worth.

theatlfan · Post #18 » by **theatlfan** » Tue Jul 2, 2013 2:13 am

M-C-G wrote:It's all over the place. I think people are going crazy with offers because it would mean we'd be moving on from Jennings, which most of us are ready to do. I don't think we have a consensus, but if we did, I bet it would be around 10M.

Personally, I'd offer him 4/36, and leave it up to ATL if they want to match. I like him, but I don't view him as being
a top PG that is going to put us over the hump. Plus, while he is better than Jennings, I'd like to see what a new coaching staff can do with Jennings.

Honestly, I'd be interested in the mythical 2x SNT with Teague and Jennings. Even if Schroeder is the real deal in 2-3 years, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have a mid-20's PG with a year or 2 left on his deal for sale...

Post #19 » by **ATL Boy** » Tue Jul 2, 2013 9:41 am

theatlfan wrote:
M-C-G wrote:It's all over the place. I think people are going crazy with offers because it would mean we'd be moving on from Jennings, which most of us are ready to do. I don't think we have a consensus, but if we did, I bet it would be around 10M.

Personally, I'd offer him 4/36, and leave it up to ATL if they want to match. I like him, but I don't view him as being
a top PG that is going to put us over the hump. Plus, while he is better than Jennings, I'd like to see what a new coaching staff can do with Jennings.

Honestly, I'd be interested in the mythical 2x SNT with Teague and Jennings. Even if Schroeder is the real deal in 2-3 years, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have a mid-20's PG with a year or 2 left on his deal for sale...

No thanks. We don't need the point guard version of Josh Smith of the team, besides Teague is a better player and will cost less

theatlfan · Post #20 » by **theatlfan** » Tue Jul 2, 2013 4:50 pm

ATL Boy wrote:No thanks. We don't need the point guard version of Josh Smith of the team, besides Teague is a better player and will cost less

A PG version of Josh Smith with a 3PT shot and better handle (both of which Jennings does have) would actually be a pretty d@mn good PG... but Jennings isn't that.

Now, I do like Teague better since all he needs is to become more consistent especially on D while Jennings has some work to do, but Jennings probably still has more upside and is over a year younger. The PG market is pretty barren this off-season, so if we're going to lose Teague, then we're going to be looking at Jennings anyway. In such a scenario, coming out with Jennings is better than coming out with nothing at all. Especially since making the deal a SNT would mean we wouldn't need to use cap room to make the deal and the ramifications that come with that.