Monta Ellis?

Post #1 » by **ATL Boy** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 9:14 am

So we're not only seriously considering Ellis we're seriously BIDDING for him.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... onta-Ellis

tcorbin · Post #2 » by **tcorbin** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 9:43 am

As some one who is for tanking.... i'm really digging this proposed move

Post #3 » by **dms269** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 10:05 am

I mean he would be a decent sg for the team.

Teague/Monta/Korver/Millsap/Horford
Lou off the bench

Post #4 » by **ATL Boy** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 10:28 am

tcorbin wrote:As a some one who is for tanking.... i'm really digging this proposed move

I'm not sure if you're being serious right now cause the starting lineup uga_dawgs just showed is top 5 in the east, especially if we get a backup big

tcorbin · Post #5 » by **tcorbin** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 10:31 am

ATL Boy wrote:
tcorbin wrote:As a some one who is for tanking.... i'm really digging this proposed move

I'm not sure if you're being serious right now cause the starting lineup uga_dawgs just showed is top 5 in the east, especially if we get a backup big

No, its not

BlackFalconGSW · Post #6 » by **BlackFalconGSW** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 10:36 am

uga_dawgs24 wrote:I mean he would be a decent sg for the team.

Teague/Monta/Korver/Millsap/Horford
Lou off the bench

Needs size at backup PG, SG or SF tho.

tcorbin · Post #7 » by **tcorbin** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 10:37 am

Ellis gets 20ppg, but he is not a guy who gets you win either

Millsap is not a game changer, and alot of Jazz fans blame him for alot of stuff.

Ferry gets Millsap who is a poor defender and extremely undersized PF, whose previous fans really hates him. now you have Ellis, an undersized SG, poor defender, who previous fans also hate him for his inefficient and selfish play.

Millsap and Ellis with Korver, Horford, and Teague is just a very poorly constructed team with a major flaw at every position, with numerous redundancies .

i'm just saying, if Ellis really happens, i would actually be really siked.

Post #8 » by **ATL Boy** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 10:46 am

tcorbin wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:
tcorbin wrote:As a some one who is for tanking.... i'm really digging this proposed move

I'm not sure if you're being serious right now cause the starting lineup uga_dawgs just showed is top 5 in the east, especially if we get a backup big

No, its not

It's much better than the Pistons will be with Josh this year (a team you said will be top 4 in another topic)

tcorbin · Post #9 » by **tcorbin** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 10:50 am

ATL Boy wrote:
tcorbin wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:I'm not sure if you're being serious right now cause the starting lineup uga_dawgs just showed is top 5 in the east, especially if we get a backup big

No, its not

It's much better than the Pistons will be with Josh this year (a team you said will be top 4 in another topic)

Wrong again. Pistons will have their flaws, but they will be amazing at defense and protecting the basket. and if you knew basketball, you know defense means something in the NBA.

Post #10 » by **ATL Boy** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 11:02 am

tcorbin wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:
tcorbin wrote:
No, its not

It's much better than the Pistons will be with Josh this year (a team you said will be top 4 in another topic)

Wrong again. Pistons will have their flaws, but they will be amazing at defense and protecting the basket. and if you knew basketball, you know defense means something in the NBA.

So we're just gonna ignore the fact that Josh will have to play SF and actually have a reason to take stupid shots from outside? Pope will have some growing pains as a rookie (all rookies do), Knight has potential but he's not better than Teague and the paint will be clogged on offense. And if YOU knew basketball, you'd know that offense also means something in the NBA.

jagstang76 · Post #11 » by **jagstang76** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 11:15 am

I'm not sure about Ellis, but I do know he can fill it up! If we can get him on reasonable deal, DF should do it. We would then have, should Teague come back too, one of the most athletic and talented backcourts in the league. All of them (Teague, Ellis, & Williams) are so fast/quick and are able to play solid defense as well as score. I think we had something quite similar to that with Harris here last season. It will be effective.

I'm not liking that Horford will likely have to stay at C. We really need a solid big to help out. I would love to have Millsap play quality minutes off the bench in a rotation with Horford and said big. To have a scoring punch of Lou and Millsap in the second unit would be huge. I actually like Carrell starting over Korver too, so Korver could also be a part of a very good bench. Jenkins, Cunningham, and Muscala will be more effective with solid guys to play with too.

Tcorbin, I can't disagree that we will not be good enough to make hay in the East, but I will disagree that we will effectively be tanking. That roster will still be very good. If Coach Bud can get them to play within a solid system that maximizes their roles, I think they will surprise a lot of people.

One aside, I've noticed that all the deals to this point have been fairly short-term. Millsap for only 2 yrs means he becomes a very valuable expiring contract that can be dealt as early as this offseason. If we pickup Ellis in the same fashion, you have another huge asset that's very attractive. Flexibility is still there for DF to be effective next offseason when there's even more possibilities than there were this year. I like it!

Post #12 » by **dms269** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 11:23 am

tcorbin wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:
tcorbin wrote:
No, its not

It's much better than the Pistons will be with Josh this year (a team you said will be top 4 in another topic)

Wrong again. Pistons will have their flaws, but they will be amazing at defense and protecting the basket. and if you knew basketball, you know defense means something in the NBA.

The Pistons finished 11th in the east last year. The addition of an extremely streaky player who is very selfish does not jump them into the top 4. They were 18th in points allowed and 22nd in ppg last year.

Knight/Stuckey/Singler/Smith/Monroe is not a top 4 team, sorry.

Post #13 » by **dms269** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 11:26 am

BlackFalconGSW wrote:
uga_dawgs24 wrote:I mean he would be a decent sg for the team.

Teague/Monta/Korver/Millsap/Horford
Lou off the bench

Needs size at backup PG, SG or SF tho.

Why is size needed a backup PG and SG? Atlanta would be fine with Lou and Jenkins there. There is also 6'4" Cunningham, Stevenson who is 6'5". In terms of backup SF, the team can be shifted around some and Scott could always log some minutes in a big offense.

myrak433 · Post #14 » by **myrak433** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 12:01 pm

I like this if we do sign Ellis. you have to have players who create for themselves as well as others. But we do need a center.

tcorbin · Post #15 » by **tcorbin** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 12:14 pm

uga_dawgs24 wrote:
tcorbin wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:It's much better than the Pistons will be with Josh this year (a team you said will be top 4 in another topic)

Wrong again. Pistons will have their flaws, but they will be amazing at defense and protecting the basket. and if you knew basketball, you know defense means something in the NBA.

The Pistons finished 11th in the east last year. The addition of an extremely streaky player who is very selfish does not jump them into the top 4. They were 18th in points allowed and 22nd in ppg last year.

Knight/Stuckey/Singler/Smith/Monroe is not a top 4 team, sorry.

You can't win an argument when you don't even have your facts straight. You left out the Pistons' best player.

Drummond/Monroe/Josh/Stuck/Knight

Drummond was a beast last year, he is going to be a bigger beast this year. If Hibbert and West gave the Heat and Hawks problems last year with their size, Drum, Monroe, and Josh will give the east problems this year as well.

Heat
Nets
Knicks
Pacers
Pistons
Bulls
Cavs
the teams above are lock for the playoffs. some might not agree with the Cavs, but i'm a big Irvin fan.

Raptors
Bucks
Hornets
Wizards
i think the Wizards will get the 8th spot because i'm a believer in Beal and Wall. If the Bucks get back Jennings, they will have a solid starting five, but no star player. Raptors have Gay and Hornets have Jefferson, but who knows if the young guys around them will be able to keep up, but Raptors and Hornets are still talented.

Magic
Hawks
Celtics
Sixers
the last four will really struggle. Magic are young, Hawks are undersized everywhere with sub par defense, and Celtics and Sixers just gave up. their is a tiny chance that Turner turns into Brandon Roy, or Rondo carries the whole team when he gets back, but i really really doubt that.

..... and again personally, i'm really pushing for this Ellis thing to happens.

theatlfan · Post #16 » by **theatlfan** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 12:34 pm

Why is DET getting so much rub in a topic about Ellis?

Anyway, I can see why we're looking @ Ellis, but we're in a very sad state right now. It appears the plan is to get a star penetrator or post player and surround him with efficient value guys at every position, but we've failed miserably at collecting the star and we're grasping for straws thinking Ellis is the guy. Not to say that Ellis can't do some things - he can, but he's best served as an off the bench Microwave type instead of a #1 option and we already have our combo G 6th man.

I figured we'd be hard up enough that we'd get into the position where Bynum actually made sense. Now, we're making a "serious run" @ Monta Ellis with perhaps the shortest front court in the NBA - yeah, we may be at that point.

Post #17 » by **ATL Boy** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 12:55 pm

tcorbin wrote:
uga_dawgs24 wrote:
tcorbin wrote:
Wrong again. Pistons will have their flaws, but they will be amazing at defense and protecting the basket. and if you knew basketball, you know defense means something in the NBA.

The Pistons finished 11th in the east last year. The addition of an extremely streaky player who is very selfish does not jump them into the top 4. They were 18th in points allowed and 22nd in ppg last year.

Knight/Stuckey/Singler/Smith/Monroe is not a top 4 team, sorry.

You can't win an argument when you don't even have your facts straight. You left out the Pistons' best player.

Drummond/Monroe/Josh/Stuck/Knight

Drummond was a beast last year, he is going to be a bigger beast this year. If Hibbert and West gave the Heat and Hawks problems last year with their size, Drum, Monroe, and Josh will give the east problems this year as well.

Heat
Nets
Knicks
Pacers
Pistons
Bulls
Cavs
the teams above are lock for the playoffs. some might not agree with the Cavs, but i'm a big Irvin fan.

Raptors
Bucks
Hornets
Wizards
i think the Wizards will get the 8th spot because i'm a believer in Beal and Wall. If the Bucks get back Jennings, they will have a solid starting five, but no star player. Raptors have Gay and Hornets have Jefferson, but who knows if the young guys around them will be able to keep up, but Raptors and Hornets are still talented.

Magic
Hawks
Celtics
Sixers
the last four will really struggle. Magic are young, Hawks are undersized everywhere with sub par defense, and Celtics and Sixers just gave up. their is a tiny chance that Turner turns into Brandon Roy, or Rondo carries the whole team when he gets back, but i really really doubt that.

..... and again personally, i'm really pushing for this Ellis thing to happens.

tcorbin · Post #18 » by **tcorbin** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 12:58 pm

theatlfan wrote:Why is DET getting so much rub in a topic about Ellis?

Anyway, I can see why we're looking @ Ellis, but we're in a very sad state right now. It appears the plan is to get a star penetrator or post player and surround him with efficient value guys at every position, but we've failed miserably at collecting the star and we're grasping for straws thinking Ellis is the guy. Not to say that Ellis can't do some things - he can, but he's best served as an off the bench Microwave type instead of a #1 option and we already have our combo G 6th man.

I figured we'd be hard up enough that we'd get into the position where Bynum actually made sense. Now, we're making a "serious run" @ Monta Ellis with perhaps the shortest front court in the NBA - yeah, we may be at that point.

agree, it is not going to be a good team.

Great · Post #19 » by **Great** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:05 pm

Signing Ellis seems scared, desperate, and visionless. Ellis isn't a leader or winner.
He won't change the culture here.

Ellis is a Cadillac Cimmaron. He's branded as a Cadillac but he's really a Chevy Cavalier.

Ellis is a well marketed Gary Neal.

I had high hopes for the Hawks this year.

azuresou1 · Post #20 » by **azuresou1** » Sun Jul 7, 2013 1:07 pm

I... actually like move as long as it's a short term contract like Millsap's.

Monta is undoubtedly a flawed player. He also possesses some great traits. His speed. His slashing. His underrated passing. His ability to harass passing lanes. These are all attributes that have value, and more importantly fit into what I see as a possible team identity.

Our identity is that of an undersized team that plays hard and plays quick. Offensively we take advantage of our mobility, ball handling, and passing to get layups, kickouts, mismatches, and open jumpshots. Defensively, we rely on our speed to play aggressively, trapping hard and then playing the passing lanes. We convert these steals into easy fast break points with our speed.

Would we have flaws? Sure. We're liable to get beaten on the boards, our perimeter defense is shaky if we can't force turnovers, and our 3PT shooting is a little iffy. But there are far worse teams and identities to have, and frankly for a 2 year term it'd be worth an experiment.