Page 1 of 1

Reason for Ellis or Jennings?

Posted: Mon Jul 8, 2013 5:27 pm
by parson
Many of us are wondering why Ferry is looking at Ellis and Jennings, especially since most of us don't like either one.

Could it be to increase our available money for a FA?

If we SNT Teague to MIL for either Ellis or Jennings, we can wait until after signing someone to a huge (around $15 million, it appears to me) offer. Since we'd be essentially re-signing our own player, we could go over the cap to do so.

We could offer pure cap space plus a pick for a big-salary Center.
We could compete with CLE for Bynum (they can offer $15 million for one year and still be clear to sign LeBron James).
We could take another big salary off of someone's hands.

Just trying to understand the interest in Ellis and Jennings.

Re: Reason for Ellis or Jennings?

Posted: Mon Jul 8, 2013 9:51 pm
by Rip2137
I think that's the real reason no offer for Teague has come yet.

In terms of Jennings, Teague is better, and will be cheaper. It makes no sense to make that move.

Ellis is a different player offensively though, so if they are going to make that move I can see it happening.

Re: Reason for Ellis or Jennings?

Posted: Tue Jul 9, 2013 11:11 am
by jagstang76
I agree that is more likely the theory behind all this. TheATLFan has another thread with his theory.

Taking advantage of what the cap allows is one of the elements that makes a good GM. Ferry could do some more moves before the JUL 10 end of the moratorium, but this option gives him the flexibility to be patient for the right deal. If he can't find a good option to take advantage of the deadline, he can sign someone like Bynum and do the SnT to go over the cap and probably net Ellis too. The trouble begins next season though as that arrangement would likely put us over the cap should the deals be for multiple years. If Bynum is a big 1 yr deal, then it probably all evens out.

Re: Reason for Ellis or Jennings?

Posted: Tue Jul 9, 2013 12:08 pm
by D21
Yesterday, I used an example of 5M Jennings for 7.5M Teague would create one more million in room as Teague's cap hold is currently 6M.
It was only an example, and it seems that Jennings will cost more, even if I don't know why, and don't understand how any GM would. They certainly don't decide that based on some F.A. ranking you can find on some websites.

MIL doesn't want to keep him, most of MIL fans can't stand him, DAL who was supposed (by some websites) to go after him decided to sign Calderon and Harris.

All this stuff about us getting Jennings doesn't make any sense, why would ATL be the one accepting to pay him more than we would give to Teague ? Especially when ATL is the team that has rights on Teague.
We have the best player, so if we trade him, it's only to get more room and picks or get a player we are ready to pay more than Teague using the sign-&-trade difference we can get (150% of the less than 9.8M outgoing salaries)

Re: Reason for Ellis or Jennings?

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:04 pm
by JoshB914
I'd rather lose Teague for nothing than end up with either of those two soon-to-be overpaid chuckers. I'm cool with sucking this season but I want to suck AND have cap space/options down the road.

Re: Reason for Ellis or Jennings?

Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:52 pm
by JDR720
i think that Jennings and Ellis are basically the same player... trigger happy PG/SG's that shoot a low % and are below average defenders....they would be a good 6th man tho like a JR Smith type

Re: Reason for Ellis or Jennings?

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:35 am
by Jamaaliver
From ESPN:

New Hawks coach Mike Budenholzer was a longtime assistant in San Antonio, and he views Ellis as a point guard in the mold of Tony Parker, according to a source.

Re: Reason for Ellis or Jennings?

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:44 am
by JoshB914
^^^ Surely that is 100% fabricated? Otherwise I am super worried about who we just hired... Not buying it.