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I would like my fellow Hawk fan's opinion on what I believe is a team that the Hawks could actually have.

Dennis Schroeder/Shelvin Mack
John Jenkins/ Lou Williams
Danny Granger/ Kyle Korver
Al Horford/ Gustavo Ayon or Mike Scott
Omer Asik/ Elton Brand

let me know what you think

or the trades would be Jeff Teague plus a fill ins ( DeMarre Carroll and Jared Cunningham) plus a draft pick if needed

and Paul Millsap for Omer Asik and a draft pick ( maybe we could ship this draft pick to Indiana).

I am going to post this on the trade transaction boad to gauge the opinion of other fans.

I'm assuming that your first proposed trade is Teague+ for Granger? If so, I'm HIGHLY opposed to that trade. Danny Granger is on the downswing of his career and coming off a missed season due to injury. I wouldn't do that trade even without fill-ins.

I think everyone is on board for Millsap for Asik + a pick.

Indiana is your biggest stumbling block. I doubt they'd be interested in investing 16 mil a year in the PG position alone especially for two PGs that don't really distinguish themselves from each other. That alone spells disaster without even getting into their future cap situation. With Hibbert and George now on max deals and West making decent coin, they are more likely to let Granger just expire and seek cheaper replacements.


IF you did manage to pull that roster off then I see some balance issues mostly in the fact that the backcourt is given way to very inexperienced players while the frontcourt is filled with decent experience. What are the expectations? Is that a "win now" core or are we looking to the future of Schroder and Jenkins developing? I say that because if we are win now with Granger then there will be a lot of lumps to overcome whereas if this is more of a longterm move then you have to consider resigning Granger again otherwise you just dumped Jeffrey for nothing.

MaceCase wrote:Indiana is your biggest stumbling block. I doubt they'd be interested in investing 16 mil a year in the PG position alone especially for two PGs that don't really distinguish themselves from each other. That alone spells disaster without even getting into their future cap situation. With Hibbert and George now on max deals and West making decent coin, they are more likely to let Granger just expire and seek cheaper replacements.


IF you did manage to pull that roster off then I see some balance issues mostly in the fact that the backcourt is given way to very inexperienced players while the frontcourt is filled with decent experience. What are the expectations? Is that a "win now" core or are we looking to the future of Schroder and Jenkins developing? I say that because if we are win now with Granger then there will be a lot of lumps to overcome whereas if this is more of a longterm move then you have to consider resigning Granger again otherwise you just dumped Jeffrey for nothing.

This is a win now core. And I now that the backcourt would be inexperienced but we would still Have Krover who can play the 2 and Lou Williams that can play the 1. Besides I have seen enough of Schroder that I would be willing to roll the dice. I have no doubt that he will be better than Teague ( or at worst just as good) this year.

And as far as Granger and next year, if he is healthy this season, the Hawks resign him. He wouldn't be able to go to a better place with better players around him than what the Hawks would have put together and the money he would comand.

I really do not see any wholes with this line up. maybe at SG but with Granger, Horford, and Lou Wil all Jenkins would have to be is a catch and shoot guy............ and I believe he is pretty good at that.

Danny Granger is nearing the tail end of his career. I see no reason we'd trade a young talented PG on a reasonable contract w/ even more assets for him.

For Jeff Teague, I'd want George Hill back... and that's not considering any additional assets on top.

myrak433 wrote:

MaceCase wrote:Indiana is your biggest stumbling block. I doubt they'd be interested in investing 16 mil a year in the PG position alone especially for two PGs that don't really distinguish themselves from each other. That alone spells disaster without even getting into their future cap situation. With Hibbert and George now on max deals and West making decent coin, they are more likely to let Granger just expire and seek cheaper replacements.


IF you did manage to pull that roster off then I see some balance issues mostly in the fact that the backcourt is given way to very inexperienced players while the frontcourt is filled with decent experience. What are the expectations? Is that a "win now" core or are we looking to the future of Schroder and Jenkins developing? I say that because if we are win now with Granger then there will be a lot of lumps to overcome whereas if this is more of a longterm move then you have to consider resigning Granger again otherwise you just dumped Jeffrey for nothing.

This is a win now core. And I now that the backcourt would be inexperienced but we would still Have Krover who can play the 2 and Lou Williams that can play the 1. Besides I have seen enough of Schroder that I would be willing to roll the dice. I have no doubt that he will be better than Teague ( or at worst just as good) this year.

And as far as Granger and next year, if he is healthy this season, the Hawks resign him. He wouldn't be able to go to a better place with better players around him than what the Hawks would have put together and the money he would comand.

I really do not see any wholes with this line up. maybe at SG but with Granger, Horford, and Lou Wil all Jenkins would have to be is a catch and shoot guy............ and I believe he is pretty good at that.

A lil news on Granger's knee

The problem with patellar tendinosis is that it is usually NOT from a single one time traumatic event; rather, it is the accumulation of a long time of, in this case, playing basketball,” Dr. Ochiai said. “Getting rid of the scar tissue and rehab and stretching can help, but the tendon may still be prone to [future] flare-ups. But hopefully the flare-ups will be minor and not require significant additional time off

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-end-of ... ny-granger

Louis is also probably out till around December/January and won't be expected to be 100% so those are two primary guys that will likely be on minute restrictions and at lower production.

My issues with the lineup is that you are expecting Dennis to be thrown to the wolves and have meaningful production right off the bat. I understand the confidence in him but that is still a bit of a reach especially considering that only Mack will be behind him as a backup PG. For this to succeed as a win now core without the wins cap that the team currently has then Dennis will have to seriously have a Chris Paul type of rookie season. I don't know about the likelihood of that but regardless I would hope that we'd hold on to Jeffrey as insurance and explore a different package in the future or perhaps even just hold off on this part of your trade until later into the season.

that is a terrible win now line up.

Yungsta404 wrote:that is a terrible win now line up.

Schroeder/Mack
Jenkins/Williams
Granger/Krover
Horford/ Brand
Asik/Brand

it is better than

Teague/ Schroeder
Williams/ Jenkins
Korver/ Carroll
Millsap/ Scott
Horord/ Brand

myrak433 wrote:

Yungsta404 wrote:that is a terrible win now line up.

Schroeder/Mack
Jenkins/Williams
Granger/Krover
Horford/ Brand
Asik/Brand

it is better than

Teague/ Schroeder
Williams/ Jenkins
Korver/ Carroll
Millsap/ Scott
Horord/ Brand

they are both bad win now line ups cause neither of them are winning ****.

Yungsta404 wrote:

myrak433 wrote:

Yungsta404 wrote:that is a terrible win now line up.

Schroeder/Mack
Jenkins/Williams
Granger/Krover
Horford/ Brand
Asik/Brand

it is better than

Teague/ Schroeder
Williams/ Jenkins
Korver/ Carroll
Millsap/ Scott
Horord/ Brand

they are both bad win now line ups cause neither of them are winning ****.

Schroeder/Mack
Jenkins/Williams
Granger/Krover
Horford/ Brand
Asik/Brand

if this is a bad win now team we will never have a team that can win. you must Think only a team with Lebron can win.

Data would conclude that yes, you need a superstar to win unless you're the Detroit Pistons.

azuresou1 wrote:Data would conclude that yes, you need a superstar to win unless you're the Detroit Pistons.

Its arguable that ben wallace was a superstar since he had superstar impact and anchored one of the best defenses in nba history.

myrak433 wrote:I would like my fellow Hawk fan's opinion on what I believe is a team that the Hawks could actually have.

Dennis Schroeder/Shelvin Mack
John Jenkins/ Lou Williams
Danny Granger/ Kyle Korver
Al Horford/ Gustavo Ayon or Mike Scott
Omer Asik/ Elton Brand

Myrak, I have to say I absolutely love this lineup. It's multifaceted, and built in the mold of the SA Spurs.

Asik, Horford, Brand provide interior defense & rebounding.
Horford, Brand, Scott provide interior scoring.
Korver and Jenkins provide three point shooting and maintain floor spacing.
Granger and Lou Williams provide perimeter scoring and are more than capable of creating their own shots or getting into the lane and kicking out to Horford or the shooters.

The lineup is not without major flaws, however:

That backcourt lacks size, experience and a defensive stopper. I absolutely love Schroeder, but I can't understate how much adjusting his game will need to make as he plays in a new league, in a new country, under a new coach at only age 20. His jumpshot is lacking and referees won't give him much leeway when he tries to 'D' up the top PGs in the East.
Also, Shelvin Mack sucks. I would suggest adding a veteran PG to split time with Dennis, while showing him the ropes of the NBA. (Think Ty Lawson and Andre Miller)

And a defensive stopper at SG/SF will be necessary as well. It would be short-sighted to ask Granger to be our number one option on offense AND our top wing defender. Jenkins and Korver would get eaten alive in the playoffs.

But overall, a very good lineup. A sure playoff team. Not one that could beat Miami, but a lineup that could compete with New York/Brooklyn/Indiana.

With good coaching, this team could do everything Indiana did last year.

myrak433 wrote:

Yungsta404 wrote:that is a terrible win now line up.

Schroeder/Mack
Jenkins/Williams
Granger/Krover
Horford/ Brand
Asik/Brand

it is better than

Teague/ Schroeder
Williams/ Jenkins
Korver/ Carroll
Millsap/ Scott
Horord/ Brand

Sorry to disagree, but from an outside perspective i think the second team is much better. Who on the first roster can actually score with regularity and efficiency? I like Schroeder a lot, but he just isn't ready to run a team IMO at the NBA level and needs to add some bulk and improve finishing through contact and around the rim. Jenkins will get minutes and would be starting on both those teams due to Lou's injury and the fact that Lou is a better fit in a 6th man type role. Granger hasn't done much in years and if you're relying on him to log starters minutes and be durable, then my friend, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you in Brooklyn.

Yuri Vaultin wrote:Sorry to disagree, but from an outside perspective i think the second team is much better. Who on the first roster can actually score with regularity and efficiency?

Fair enough. But who on the first team could score with efficiency and regularity?

Teague and Millsap are pretty respectable scorers, and would take pressure off Al as a scorer.

Danny Granger is coming off an injury where he looked absolutely horrid last season.

Yuri Vaultin wrote:

myrak433 wrote:

Yungsta404 wrote:that is a terrible win now line up.

Schroeder/Mack
Jenkins/Williams
Granger/Krover
Horford/ Brand
Asik/Brand

it is better than

Teague/ Schroeder
Williams/ Jenkins
Korver/ Carroll
Millsap/ Scott
Horord/ Brand

Sorry to disagree, but from an outside perspective i think the second team is much better. Who on the first roster can actually score with regularity and efficiency?

Danny Granger and Horford can score with regularity. Hell Granger can score more efficienly than the whole second team combined.

I like Schroeder a lot, but he just isn't ready to run a team IMO at the NBA level and needs to add some bulk and improve finishing through contact and around the rim.

This maybe true but we are not going to win anything anyway, I am willing to go ahead and get the kids (Schroeder) growing pains out of the way now

Jenkins will get minutes and would be starting on both those teams due to Lou's injury and the fact that Lou is a better fit in a 6th man type role.

I agree that I like Lou better as a six man, but with that second team Teague would need someone else that can bring the ball up and set up the offense. If not all a team would have to do would trap Teague..... Jenkins ball handling skill are not all that great. with the first team Granger would be the one getting most of the defense attention allowing Schroeder to do his thing.

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ranger hasn't done much in years and if you're relying on him to log starters minutes and be durable, then my friend, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you in Brooklyn.

Granger is like what 29 (30 at the most) why couldn't he log starters minutes. He has been in the league like what 8 years and has only missed one season of significant time (last season) where he did not log starters minutes. and if that bridge is the Brooklyn Bridge........... I am buying!!!!!!

Danny Granger was worse than DeShawn Stevenson last year. As a bench 7th man, sure. As a starting SF, while giving away Teague? Beyond terrible.

myrak433 wrote:and if that bridge is the Brooklyn Bridge........... I am buying!!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Parker

George Parker (1870–1936) was one of the most audacious con men in American history. He made his living selling New York's public landmarks to unwary tourists. His favorite object for sale was the Brooklyn Bridge, which he sold twice a week for years.

Just in case his reference was missed....or your sarcasm was lost on me.

MaceCase wrote:

myrak433 wrote:and if that bridge is the Brooklyn Bridge........... I am buying!!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Parker

George Parker (1870–1936) was one of the most audacious con men in American history. He made his living selling New York's public landmarks to unwary tourists. His favorite object for sale was the Brooklyn Bridge, which he sold twice a week for years.

Just in case his reference was missed....or your sarcasm was lost on me.

it was lost.