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Lou

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:00 am
by swatguy
http://www.myajc.com/news/sports/basketball/hawks-evaluations-push-lou-williams-to-bench/nfGxY/?icmp=ajc_internallink_invitationbox_apr2013_ajcstubtomyajcpremium

By Chris Vivlamore - The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Lou Williams is the odd man out.

With the regular season nearing the end, the Hawks are evaluating rookie Dennis Schroder and Shelvin Mack with increased minutes. The team wants to determine their futures and how they may relate to the organization’s offseason plans, including June’s NBA draft. The evaluation is ongoing as the Hawks fight for a playoff spot in the Eastern Conference.

So as Hawks management and coaches watch those two guards, Williams also watches, but from a seat at the end of the bench.

The Hawks signed Williams to a three-year, $15.675 million contract in 2012. Yet the veteran has not played in the past seven games. The following is an analysis of the situation.

Williams averaged 14.1 points and 3.6 assists last season before a torn ACL cut his season short at 39 games. Williams rehabbed the injury and returned this season with averages of 11.4 points and 3.1 assists as he worked himself back into playing shape.

Williams said he was nearing 100 percent and feeling more confident. However, he played five first-quarter minutes against the Trail Blazers on March 5 and none since. Williams has been a Did Not Play-Coach’s Decision for six games, including four victories. He missed one game, a win over the Bucks on March 13, and two practices for the birth of his daughter.

Coach Mike Budenholzer said not playing Williams has been his decision as he looks to improve the team’s defense and size on the wings. He has addressed the situation several times, most recently before Tuesday’s win over the Raptors.

“Lou has done a lot to help us this year,” Budenholzer said. “Right now we are looking at some different combinations, looking at being a little bit bigger on the wings. All year we have tried different things and looked at different players in different situations. He is someone who we believe in, who has been helpful. He has been very professional, and I know he’ll be ready when we need him.”

Williams said he is a competitor and wants to be on the floor, but will abide by the coaching decision. In subsequent interviews, he referred all questions about his playing time to Budenholzer.

Privately, Williams is not happy with the lack of playing time and spoke to Budenholzer about the situation, according to a person familiar with the situation. The conversation was not heated, the person said. Williams has turned to at least one player to talk through dealing with the difficult situation.

The 6-foot-1 Williams has one more year on his contract and will be paid $5,450,000 next season. It is an attractive salary, for the Hawks or another team, for a player of Williams experience and ability. In 2011-12, his final season with the 76ers before signing with his hometown Hawks, Williams led the team with 14.9 points in 64 games all off the bench.

Mack is an unrestricted free agent following this season after making $884,293. His contract was a non-guaranteed deal the Hawks kept midseason. If the Hawks determine that Mack is an option, he could like be signed at a salary much less than that of Williams.

Schroder, who is getting the bulk of Williams’ minutes and also is listed at 6-1, has had an up-and-down rookie season. He started as the primary backup point guard, but lost the spot to Mack with a high turnover ratio. He missed five games for a stint in the NBA Development League. He is averaging 14 minutes over the past 10 games. During that stretch he has 22 assists and eight turnovers, including none in four of the past five games. Schroder will make $1,690,680 next season. The Hawks have team options for $1,763,400 in 2015-16 and $2,708,582 in 2016-17.

Budenholzer said he wants to take advantage of Schroder’s speed to be a disruptive defensive presence. One of the issues facing the Hawks has been an inability to hold big leads much of the problems coming on defense. At times Budenholzer has used a three-guard unit, with a combination of Jeff Teague, Williams, Mack and Schroder, which has not always been successful. Budenholzer acknowledged he put the guards in tough positions having to defend much bigger opponents.

Williams has changed his pregame warm-up routine, at least on-court as of late, as he appears aware that he is unlikely to play. He is not stretched by trainers before games and does little shooting. He no longer does the jumping jacks that were a part of his pregame ritual.

As the Hawks play the final 16 regular-season games before a probable playoff berth, riding a five-game win streak, it appears Williams will remain at the end of the bench, barring an injury.

Re: Lou

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:01 am
by swatguy
I call BS. Lou is being punished and most know it. Bud's devaluing Lou is horrible. He is a veteran, from Atlanta and a fan favorite. This very disturbing.

Re: Lou

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:13 pm
by theatlfan
I love Lou as a person, but unfortunately, I don't think Lou has done enough on the court to stop this from happening. In his last 2-3 years in PHI, he was a true weapon as a 6th man, but he really hasn't been that with us. Last year, he was really good (IIRC, he was in a little bit of a slump before his injury so his numbers were a bit down overall); this year he just doesn't look the same. He seems content jack up 3's most of the time especially when his defender goes under screens. The problem is that he's an average to below 3PT shooter so he doesn't hurt opponents from letting him have that shot. He was never the defender for us that he was in PHI, so I can't say that his knee affected him here, but I'd guess that it did. He can still show flashes of what he once was and maybe an extra off-season of rest and strength building will help him regain what he once was, but for now, he's definitely 3rd in the pecking order of PG/combo Gs and the #4 guy is a rookie and former 1st rounder.

Re: Lou

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:52 pm
by PandaKidd
If you have watched any of the games, Lou looks lost. He NEVER drives the basket anymore, he always settles for outside jumpers. And his shot has NOT been there this year.

he doesnt play good defense

he cant shoot well

What does he DO? Hes a liability. Until he trusts his knee again, he will never be ok. I said he would be traded, I now think thats even more clear

Re: Lou

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:54 pm
by graymule
"Dennis the Menace" has a sprained ankle and will miss, probably, the next
two weeks. If Lew wants to play and contribute, here is his opportunity.

Hawks are fighting for a better playoff slot and they need all the help that
they can get right now.

Re: Lou

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:22 pm
by azuresou1
Lou hasn't played well since his injury, and he's not a young guy who will be on our roster long term. I'd expect that this offseason we try to trade his expiring for something.

Re: Lou

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:17 pm
by Jamaaliver
Man, what a difference a year makes:

From:

parson wrote:#1, Lou Williams is certainly not junk. Good grief, he's a terrific player on a really good contract.

ATL Boy wrote:We love Lou, he's untouchable for us because he gave the hometown discount...


Horford & Lou considered best bargains in NBA

In under a year.

I admit that Lou has played poorly most of this season. But his value on that contract and his specific skillset strikes me as being more useful to us. We score efficiently enough and a fair number of points overall. But too often in crunchtime we tighten up and can't but a bucket. None of our backup wings can consistently create their own or get to the FT line. Two things Lou is great at.

I admit he'll be shopped hard this summer, as he should be. But still think that as he furthers his recovery from injury he could return to being our Manu Ginobili/Jamal Crawford in a 6th man role.

With all that said, I'm just glad we're finally getting a chance to see what Dennis can do with consistent PT. Though I am surprised it's coming at the expense of LW's playing time.

It's even more ironic because it's Shelvin who's playing more at backup SG with Dennis running backup point when on the floor together.

Re: Lou

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:37 pm
by PandaKidd
Lous contract will prob make more sense to keep him and see what happens. All he can do is improve. A full offseason will do him good

Re: Lou

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:33 am
by Skyhawk1
His defense is atrocious and he's a ball stopper, not exactly what you'd call a good fit for coach Bud's system.

Re: Lou

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:57 am
by Jamaaliver
Skyhawk1 wrote:His defense is atrocious and he's a ball stopper, not exactly what you'd call a good fit for coach Bud's system.


Both of those statements....are very true.

Re: Lou

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:54 am
by diesel50
I wonder how much his injury has effected his mental approach?

Re: Lou

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:31 pm
by PandaKidd
diesel50 wrote:I wonder how much his injury has effected his mental approach?

I think he just needs a full offseason. Depends how bad he wants to get back to his game.

I mean guy is still young, tears his ACL in December/Jan which is MURDER in the NBA because 2 things happen:
1) you miss completely the season you are in/half of next season
2) You have ZERO offseason work/preparation

The first few games he looked very slow. Like the game was too fast for him, which makes sense, he had not really played in almost a year.

Traditionally, almost every guard who comes back from ACL surgery takes a full season to get back into rhythm. Look at :
Rubio (who looks atrocious now because he cant shoot, but his passing is still there)
D Rose (career low FG% )
ZBO after his ACL was not 50% the player he was, took him some time to get back to his ways.

If Lou was a 9 million a year guy, id feel bad. But hes not. His contract is super cheap for a talented SG like himself. I think we will shop him, but unless someone gives up something worth twice his value, we may be better served letting him bring his game back up to par to trade next year

Re: Lou

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:07 pm
by graymule
Now we hear Dennis is "Day to day" and possibly could play tonight.
That's better than 2 to 4 weeks. We may have dodged one this time.

Surely, if we get ahead far enough or behind far enough, God forbid,
Lou will get a little "garbage" time at least. Let's hope so.

Re: Lou

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:16 pm
by Rip2137
I don't think it has anything to do with his injury, its totally mental right now and you can't just wait around for a guy to get it back mentally.

Lou Williams usefulness in the NBA has always been predicated on how often he is able to get to the freethrow line. He is a non-consistant jumpshooter...always has been. He is a bad defender, always has been. He isn't great at running a offense...never has been. But what he can do is get to the freethrow line and get hot at times.

This year, when he gets by guys, he just jab steps to the left and takes the jumper instead of going to the rim.

He isn't having a problem getting by guys...he just has tried to turn himself into a midrange jumpshooter and not a guy that goes to the rim and draws fouls. He is virtually useless as a player if this is what he sticks too. I think he had ample opportunity to show ANY aggression to the rim this year and for whatever reason, he hasn't. So he needs to sit.

Re: Lou

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:35 pm
by Pachulia
I really think we need to let Lou have an offseason on his knee and let him gain his confidence back next year. have full confidence that he can return to 6th-man form. This year is just a lost cause with his relationship with Bud.

Re: Lou

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:33 pm
by PandaKidd
Rip2137 wrote:I don't think it has anything to do with his injury, its totally mental right now and you can't just wait around for a guy to get it back mentally.

Lou Williams usefulness in the NBA has always been predicated on how often he is able to get to the freethrow line. He is a non-consistant jumpshooter...always has been. He is a bad defender, always has been. He isn't great at running a offense...never has been. But what he can do is get to the freethrow line and get hot at times.

This year, when he gets by guys, he just jab steps to the left and takes the jumper instead of going to the rim.

He isn't having a problem getting by guys...he just has tried to turn himself into a midrange jumpshooter and not a guy that goes to the rim and draws fouls. He is virtually useless as a player if this is what he sticks too. I think he had ample opportunity to show ANY aggression to the rim this year and for whatever reason, he hasn't. So he needs to sit.

IU dont think he knows how to play in a SYSTEM type offense. Hes a street ball scorer.

Because of his contract, he needs a full offseason to evaluate and get back in shape, and assimilate. Im not ready to give up YET.

agreed this season for him is over, let DS get the playing time

Re: Lou

Posted: Tue Apr 1, 2014 7:36 pm
by Jamaaliver
Based on his recent production, do we see Lou Will being able to fill a scoring role off the bench similar to last year.

He's played better of late and seems to be gaining confidence. I still want a protoypical 2-guard on the team, but think Lou has a future here. Especially at his current salary.

Re: Lou

Posted: Tue Apr 1, 2014 8:29 pm
by PandaKidd
At his current salary its hard to think who else we could get considering SGs are severely overpaid.

his contract keeps him around unless we package him with someone else for a superstar. I could see something like Millsap+Lou for KLOVE if Timbers think hes gonna walk. Just something like that, i see him as filler.

Re: Lou

Posted: Thu Apr 3, 2014 8:59 pm
by SJSF
Sixers fan here. I have seen him play for years and to think that he is more then what he is, is just crazy. He is a decent shooter but has stopped driving to the basket when his jumper got better. He is a black hole. Shoot first pass second. A total tweener. Is he a PG or a SG? Glad you guys signed him