Bebe Nogueria Named Spain's Defensive Player of the Year

Post #1 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:47 pm

Some actual good news on the Big Man front. Bebe getting this award after missing so much time with injuries really speaks to his abilities as a defender. Presumably, shot blocker and rebounder.

This is indeed encouraging as we are pretty bare in the front court. I'd think this eliminates us from drafting a pure defensive big like Cauley-Stein this summer.

I've taken Ferry to task for passing on a ready-to-contribute Gorgui Dieng, but perhaps the potential so many scouts saw in Lucas can still come to fruition. Now we just got to get this kid on a nutrition regimen and in the weightroom. (Preferably not when AL is in there.

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Thoughts for what to expect going forward?
Does he come over no matter what next season?
Will we ever see a starting Froncourt of Bebe and AL?
Anybody else think he could be a valuable trade chip for a shot at moving into the top 10 of the draft?

hawkschop1 · Post #2 » by **hawkschop1** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:17 pm

I personally don't see bebe as a started in this league :noway:

or at least in our system. horford and millsap are beast in the east (horford needs to buy into being the 5) and nogueria could be a stud off the bench as an energy shot-blocker but he already has injuries :banghead:

I'm not doubting he can contribute eventually but It wouldn't surprise me if he stays overseas again next season. Lets just hope he has a stellar summer league... for starters.

If he comes on board next season I'd be very interested to see who gets more PT muscala or nogueria

any guesses?

DirtybirdGA · Post #3 » by **DirtybirdGA** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:04 pm

He'll get a pass from me on being so thin, for now. Back in the day Tyson Chandler and Camby played pf since they were around 220 lbs, and Garnett at SF. So I suppose it'll work out. I'm just getting too old to keep thinking "down the line" with players or the team in general. If I were a HS freshman, I can be ""hell yeah they are gonna be legit in 2016." lol

DirtybirdGA · Post #4 » by **DirtybirdGA** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:05 pm

late double post.

azuresou1 · Post #5 » by **azuresou1** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:12 pm

That's very promising, especially since Bebe is still so young (only 21!). Can't wait to see him in a Hawks uniform next season.

Yungsta404 · Post #6 » by **Yungsta404** » Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:18 pm

He has the mobility and length to be an elite help defender and rim protector. I doubt he will ever get the bulk to be able to guard post players.

I think he can be like a larry sanders type center minus the drug issue and bar fights.

Post #7 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:27 pm

hawkschop1 wrote:If he comes on board next season I'd be very interested to see who gets more PT muscala or nogueria

any guesses?

Seeing how Bud runs his rotations, it's very clear he values vets over rookies and inexperienced players. I predict Bebe gets the same type of PT Dennis got this year...which is very little and inconsistent.

Muscala will have had extra time with coaches, learning the system. He's also proven time and again that he is a capable player, excelling as a starter in college and in the Spanich league. I predict Moose gets first crack at a rotation spot.

hawkschop1 wrote:I'm not doubting he can contribute eventually but It wouldn't surprise me if he stays overseas again next season. Lets just hope he has a stellar summer league... for starters.

I predict there's no chance Bebe stays overseas again. His agent would have to be an idiot. He'll use the Def Player Award as leverage and the injury concerns as motivation to get Bebe on the roster ASAP.

hawkschop1 wrote:I personally don't see bebe as a started in this league or at least in our system. horford and millsap are beast in the east (horford needs to buy into being the 5) and nogueria could be a stud off the bench as an energy shot-blocker but he already has injuries

On this I very much disagree. In a league where Asik is an elite rebounder, Joakim is a defensive anchor and Tyson Chandler is both DPOY and NBA Champion, I see Bebe having the skillset to be successful. He has a lot to learn, he must get stronger, and I'm not sure he'll be ready before AL is past his prime.

I've seen Camby and Tyson mentioned above, and that sounds like the best case scenario for Bebe. But, both of those guys developed late and had most of their succes with other teams....

simon24 · Post #8 » by **simon24** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:03 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ajchawks/status/453626658054889472[/tweet]

Some actual good news on the Big Man front. Bebe getting this award after missing so much time with injuries really speaks to his abilities as a defender. Presumably, shot blocker and rebounder.

This is indeed encouraging as we are pretty bare in the front court. I'd think this eliminates us from drafting a pure defensive big like Cauley-Stein this summer.

I've taken Ferry to task for passing on a ready-to-contribute Gorgui Dieng, but perhaps the potential so many scouts saw in Lucas can still come to fruition. Now we just got to get this kid on a nutrition regimen and in the weightroom. (Preferably not when AL is in there. )

Thoughts for what to expect going forward?
Does he come over no matter what next season?
Will we ever see a starting Froncourt of Bebe and AL?
Anybody else think he could be a valuable trade chip for a shot at moving into the top 10 of the draft?

I'm hoping he starts if Muscula doesn't.

I can't see no reason why he couldn't come to the NBA unless his buyout is too high.

I'd love to see it but I don't know since just like Muscula is doing now, adapting to the NBA, it may be unfair to demand of him to make such a quick adjustment.

Yeah, in a few years. For all we know, he could be just a younger version of what Brand is now.

theatlfan · Post #9 » by **theatlfan** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:58 am

I think it's kind of funny to see the Dieng vs Nogueira argument again. Coming up on the draft these two were heavily compared as well. Dieng got the "more ready to play today" tag since he was older and had (slightly) more girth; Nogueira had significantly more upside due to length (literally one of the longest guys in the DX DB), athleticism, and comparative youth. I flip flopped on the two pretty hard then, but if the arguments then prove out to be true then I think we'll be very happy with Nogueira.

I do share the concerns over Nogueira and his weight. I don't think he's someone that will need to be 250+ to be effective, but yeah... if he's < 230, then that's really too small. I haven't seen any recent pics, but I know that he's added some mass (remember his coach complaining about that before the season began?) and he was only about 10 lbs smaller than Dieng at the time of the draft. Hopefully that will translate for Nogueira but he very well could still be another year or two away.

I seem to recall that there was some reason it will be advantageous, from the fiscal side, for us to bring Nogueira over before next season. Can't recall the details of why... maybe I dreamt it.

As long as we're here, I've always figured that we'd go with a C rotation of Horford/Antic/Nogueira/Muscala next season... well, unless we do something large in the off-season. (As much as some would want to move Horford to PF, the fact is that Millsap is an AS there.) Nogueira and Muscala would fight for the minutes that basically Ayon got this season and maybe be able to steal some minutes here and there. Muscala would have to have the leg up early since he's already here, but I think Nogueira will make up ground fast considering his freakish length. I think the winner of the race though will be who sets the better screen...

MaceCase · Post #10 » by **MaceCase** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:04 am

theatlfan wrote:
I seem to recall that there was some reason it will be advantageous, from the fiscal side, for us to bring Nogueira over before next season. Can't recall the details of why... maybe I dreamt it.
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I think you are referring to a rule ( I say that lightly because I've honestly been too busy/lazy to trouble myself with minutia of the new CBA as I did the previous one to actually confirm) that states that if he's brought over within 3 years of being drafted that he would be eligible only under the rookie pay scale but exceeding that time frame the team could (or may be forced to) use the MLE or cap space to sign him. I'm aware of this topic mostly in regards to the Bulls and Mirotic.

A quick google search turned this link up explaining their situation http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-bulls ... situation/
But I'm just not in the mood to look through Coon's FAQ to tease out the source.

theatlfan · Post #11 » by **theatlfan** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:33 pm

MaceCase wrote:I think you are referring to a rule ( I say that lightly because I've honestly been too busy/lazy to trouble myself with minutia of the new CBA as I did the previous one to actually confirm) that states that if he's brought over within 3 years of being drafted that he would be eligible only under the rookie pay scale but exceeding that time frame the team could (or may be forced to) use the MLE or cap space to sign him. I'm aware of this topic mostly in regards to the Bulls and Mirotic.

A quick google search turned this link up explaining their situation http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-bulls ... situation/
But I'm just not in the mood to look through Coon's FAQ to tease out the source.

Thank you and yes, this is why. If we don't bring him over in the off-season then the deal is basically a FA deal where we are bidding against Euro teams. Better to have his rights for 4+ years at a pre-determined rate than to have his agent asking for some extra $$ later.

swatguy · Post #12 » by **swatguy** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:51 am

I believe he is on the roster next season, in place of Ayon (which will be traded). No one saw Brand be the backbone of the frontline, but he is. We are at the point (with a healthy Al) to draft the best talent available and continue with what we got. These guys can play!

Post #13 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:40 pm

swatguy wrote:I believe Bebe is on the roster next season, in place of Ayon (which will be traded).

I'm not sure Ayon would net us ANYTHING in trade. He was on the market last year and got no bites, so MIL waived him. With him coming off injury this season, I see even less of a trade market for him. Other teams know we'll just let him walk.

But I agree Nogueria will likely be in a Hawks uni next year. Hope Bud steps up the player development next season.

Post #14 » by **HMFFL** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:57 pm

He might not ever become what we'd like him to become at the NBA level, but it's just nice to see him representing himself, and us well at the moment.

atlantabbq99 · Post #15 » by **atlantabbq99** » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:10 pm

hawkschop1 wrote:I personally don't see bebe as a started in this league or at least in our system. horford and millsap are beast in the east (horford needs to buy into being the 5) and nogueria could be a stud off the bench as an energy shot-blocker but he already has injuries

I'm not doubting he can contribute eventually but It wouldn't surprise me if he stays overseas again next season. Lets just hope he has a stellar summer league... for starters.

If he comes on board next season I'd be very interested to see who gets more PT muscala or nogueria

any guesses?

Bebe could be what Omar Asik was to the Bulls a couple of years ago, which is still a great asset to a team.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #16 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:34 pm

Nice to see Bebe doing well. He's definitely on the roster next year outside of us not being able to buy him out that is. Think he will be an asset to our future success.

PandaKidd · Post #17 » by **PandaKidd** » Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:20 pm

You know , and im not comparing talents, but I always thought Anthony Davis was WAY too small to be a big factor at C in the league, and I was dead wrong on taht front. he put on some serious mass this past offseason.

So anything is possible

Nepopop · Post #18 » by **Nepopop** » Mon May 12, 2014 1:28 pm

Check him out.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwZgRGTE2AQ[/youtube]

Post #19 » by **dms269** » Mon May 12, 2014 1:59 pm

He needs to come over so he can learn the system and work with our own guys over here.

Post #20 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue May 13, 2014 4:43 am

uga_dawgs24 wrote:He needs to come over so he can learn the system and work with our own guys over here.

...and eat. Man, that boy is skinny.

Honestly, I'm becoming more intrigued by the potential impact he can have for us eventually. He's years away, but seeing Deandre Jordan have such a dominating performance in the first round I kind of see what kind of impact Bebe could have going forward.

He has the length, speed and agility to be a real force on the defensive end.