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I don't think anyone will allow Ferry to be the executive of the year after the Deng ordeal and his indefinite leave of absence, but I don't really think there's anyone more deserving of winning it this year. The Bebe/Lou trade was awful, but it did pave a way for Dennis to get some minutes. Ferry made what was a perennial 1st/2nd round exit with no hope of winning anything real into a legit contender in the East. DF has as much to do with this team's success as coach Bud: do you guys think he should win exec of the year at this point in the season?

No, Hawks are doing what they're supposed to do at this point of the season based on how the team is constructed. They probably would be doing the same thing they're doing now last season if Al didn't get hurt.

Yea but executive of the year can be more of a cumulative type of award. Like how Buford won it last year. So ferry could have won it last year but we didn't play as well as we could, however we are now so people will notice how nice of a team he's put together.

No Ferry is dead man walking. Its only a matter of time before the Hawks are sold and a new owner formally fires him.

If the Hawks can continue this pace, and be a 50 win team, then I would say yes, what hes done with this group has to be recognized.

Uh... I don't see Ferry winning Exec of the Year in the East - so forth the entire league. Not to say I don't value what he's done here, but from an outsider's PoV, what has he really done? Taken a good-but-not-great team that was cap-strapped and made them into... a good-but-not-great team that can't attract FA's with the $$ we have. Doesn't sound like the kind of job that makes one think we should be throwing accolades at him - does it?

I think if you're looking at Exec of the Year, the number 1 guy has to be Ujiri. Since he's taken over, he's turned TOR from a cellar dweller to the 1st seed in the East currently. Like Ferry, he had to deal "stars"(Bargnani, Gay) that were also bad contracts to open up some cap room for other moves to implement his vision. In the offseason, he resigned several pieces (Lowry, Vasquez, PatPat) from their playoff run last year to deals that aren't obscene... And he "stole" Lou from us. Even if they fell to a 2/3 seed, I think the turnaround job he's done there trumps the remake we've done here.

MIL should also deserve consideration even they won't win due to people not knowing whether to give credit to Hammond or Kidd as well as the fact that there is still room for the team to grow. Still going from #2 overall pick to playoff team is d@mned impressive - 2x so considering they completely tore everything down just 2 off-seasons ago.

I don't follow the West as much as I do the East, but GSW (luring Kerr from Phil), PORT (drafting Lilliard, surrounding Aldridge), DAL (spurned by FA, they took a different tract by signing retread FA's like Ellis and utilizing trades for Chandler and now Rondo. They'll need to win their division for "true" consideration though), and even HOU (don't like Morey but he faced a potential disaster in the offseason when Parsons bolted and kept the team afloat).

I would put Ferry in this group if he wasn't on Leave this entire year though. Ferry's leave means he isn't there to fine tune the roster which means he's out as we go forward.

if we go from 38 wins sub .500 to 50+ wins and #1/#2 in the east, then yeah, thats a huge improvement.

#8 to #2 or #1 is a vast improvement

TOR will have gone from #3 to #1 /#2............. with the same Roster.

How can you be EOY on paid leave? That would make for a mockery of the award don't you think?

Also, I don't believe the Hawks will make any significant move as they are not going to deal their lottery pick and Payne and Jenkins don't have much trade value currently. We're not breaking up the rotation because we simply don't worry about blocking shots and getting better rebounding. That approach is obvious.

Im just saying this is Ferrys Roster, he constructed it. Its his vision and plan.

Im not saying he will get it , his comments will prohibit that from happening. But, hes in the conversation if you are rational

The Hawks are playing fantastic this year. There is no doubt. But I don't think many would look at our roster moves and give all (or even most) of the credit to Ferry. This is especially true because even FERRY seemed to operate under the assumption we needed more depth and a talent increase.

Of his last 4 1st round draft picks...only one is even playing. (Dennis)

Of our top 3 players...only one was brought in under Ferry's watch. (Millsap)

He should get credit for acquiring/keeping Korver and for bringing in Demarre. Fantastic moves...both.

But I don't think anyone can watch Bazemore or Pero and yell...yes. Savvy, championship caliber signing!!! If he was still around, he probably would be mentioned as a condidate, because the product has done well thus far.

But his pursuit of Dwight Howard, Luol Deng, Pau Gasol, Greg Monroe and his inability to procure any of those definitely weigh in the minds of those who select the awards.

Ferrys best moves:

• Hiring Mike Budenholzer
• Trading JJ's contract
• Signing Millsap to a below market contract
• Trading for Korver
• Drafting Dennis
• Letting Smoove walk away

Ferry's worst moves:

• Offering Smoove a $15 million contract extension
• Trading Bebe and Lou for capp space which still goes unused
• Drafting a project in Bebe over ready to play bigs Gorgui Dieng (or...in hindsight, Mason Plumlee)
• Not getting any value for Smoove in trade
• Dropping racial slurs at work

There are a few other decisions I was less than fond of: How he handled Larry Drew's departure (kinda classless), his refusal to get AL Horford a capable, backup Center...even when his best player pleaded for help.
His good moves definitely outweigh the bad ones (especially when you look at our record and our salary cap.) But there have been missteps.

Hawks champs wrote:Yea but executive of the year can be more of a cumulative type of award. Like how Buford won it last year. So ferry could have won it last year but we didn't play as well as we could, however we are now so people will notice how nice of a team he's put together.

Yes, EOY can be a cumulative thing. And I also agree Ujiri has earned it when considering where they were two years ago. They have gone from sub-standard to elite in a year and a half. Also, he robbed ATL in that Salmons trade.

Cumulatively, Raptors have gone from #10 in the East to #1 in 18 months.

That's pretty darn good.

I dont think you can claim negatives for things that didnt happen, IE the Smoov Offer for an extension. To my knowledge it was kind of hazy if that even happened because there were reports that Ferry and the Hawks didnt even OFFER Smith a contract in FA later that year.

Also Im 100% with you, I would have loved to have Traded Smith for SOMETHING, even a 2nd round pick, but trades just dont happen like they used to. Ferry also had last years coach, he had last years roster, etc.

Draft picks, you and I agree, but, Dieng was as big an Enigma as anything, Bebe was rated ahead of Gieng and we are talking about picks 15-22 in one of the WEAKEST drafts of all time.

Trading Bebe for Lou, terrible IMO because we got nothing out of it. Id rather we still have those guys right now because TOR would be WEAKER and we could have traded them for something else possibly. TOR is stockpiling big men, we have Poor Mans Carlos Boozer

Im not a HUGE FERRY supporter, although I think hes done a phenomenal job of getting the franchise in financial stability and out of CAP HELL, but hes not been great at building a Roster. This team still has several flaws. They are still 1-2 years away from truly contending , and even that could go away as there is a TON riding on this coming offseason.

Nonetheless, Ferry record:
38 wins 8th seed > 50+ Wins #2 seed

If that happens, tell me someone who is better?

PandaKidd wrote:I dont think you can claim negatives for things that didnt happen, IE the Smoov Offer for an extension. To my knowledge it was kind of hazy if that even happened because there were reports that Ferry and the Hawks didnt even OFFER Smith a contract in FA later that year.

Also Im 100% with you, I would have loved to have Traded Smith for SOMETHING, even a 2nd round pick, but trades just dont happen like they used to.

D Ferry came aboard and traded the absolute worst contract in franchise history over the course of one week. He evn traded Marvin Williams in the same time frame for a former All Star PG. This occured in 2012.

But his top player (Smoove), he kept with hopes of luring Dwight. Even offering $15 million to Josh. Imagine where we'd be today with Josh still jacking up jumpers, no Millsap and $6 million less in cap space. This would have been catastrophic.

In 2013, Ferry had seen enough to know Josh wasn't a good enough player to build around. He attempted to trade him...then decided to let him walk for nothing.

These are all documented facts. When OKC realized they couldn't sign Harden to an extension...they traded hi immediately. When Ferry realized he couldn't sign Smoove to an extension...he held fast HOPING things would work themselves out in our favor.

Josh Smith and those two 2013 1st round draft picks were fantastic trade bait. But somehow, two thirds of that package withered and died on the vine. Gone to complete waste.

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/atlanta-hawk ... -free-age/

At least they said hello.

Hawks general manager Danny Ferry has previously said the team did not make Josh Smith a contract offer once he became an unrestricted free agent this summer. Smith gave some more detail into the Hawks’ lack of interest this summer in a radio interview with 92.9 FM Monday.

“No, there wasn’t,” Smith said when asked if there was a contract offer. “During free agency, during that period, there were a lot of guys out in L.A. that were meeting with various teams. I was one of those guys. That’s where I work out in the summertime as well. The only time I saw the Hawks during free agency was when they came to one of my workouts just to say hello. I think they were meeting with Dwight Howard that day. They never came in or sat down with me during the free agency period to offer me anything.”

and

Ferry confirmed the Hawks entertained offers for Smith leading up to Thursday's trade deadline. Ferry ultimately preferred to keep Smith even while accepting the risk he could lose the 27-year-old forward in free agency with no return for the team.

"We weighed the positives and negatives of each of our opportunities and at the end of the day, we felt like the best decision was to stand pat based off some of the things we were looking at," Ferry said.

Tell me what was offered for Josh Smith that we should have taken? Ive never seen the ACTUAL offers we turned away. If you recall, that was the year AFTER Horford tore his Pectoral. We werent bad, we were what 6th in EC? Josh was Arguably our best player that year (leading scorer). I think that early into Ferrys tenure , if we traded Josh for nothing was worth the risk of at least being competitive.

I think the trade offers were SO LOW that Ferry decided to keep him and maybe land D12, than let him walk for something insulting (again we dont know what was offered)

I had heard Beno Udrih/Ekpe Udoh was offered at some point , which, maybe now, it would have been nice having a C, but, I cant blame him for at least seeing what he had.

Ferry didn't offer Josh a contract in 2013 when Josh was a Free Agent. This was AFTER Josh's last season.

But in 2012 BEFORE Josh's last season, he offered him an extension worth $45 million.

Via Marc Stein:

It’s easy to forget now, after they tried so hard to trade him in February, but the Hawks did want to sign Josh Smith to a contract extension before the season started.

The figure shared with me this week: Atlanta’s offer coming into the 2012-13 campaign was a three-year extension worth in excess of $45 million.

Yet sources close to the situation say that the extension talks never got too deep because Smith made it clear from the start that he wanted to make it to free agency, which would enable him to sign a longer deal. League rules on extensions precluded the Hawks from offering anything longer than three extra years during the season.

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MARC STEIN

extension never happened and we never even offered in FA. only negative I hold against ferry is not trading smoov, but like I said, show me what we could have gotten for him .

I think he gambled, it didn't work, but it rarely works for ANY GM.

You could say A lot of GMs were in the same boat

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PandaKidd wrote:Tell me what was offered for Josh Smith that we should have taken? Ive never seen the ACTUAL offers we turned away...

Teams have been calling the Atlanta Hawks all week to register trade interest in swingman Josh Smith, according to sources close to the situation.

But new Hawks general manager Danny Ferry apparently isn't ready to part with Smith right away.

Boston, Houston and the Los Angeles Lakers -- with Pau Gasol as the prime piece being offered in L.A.'s case -- have joined Orlando this week in making their interest in Smith known.

We've discussed it on this board at length.

But uga_dawgs24 has stated we are not allowed to access posts from the archives...

I never believed the pau gasol or RONDO trade rumors. You could say that every year about every team

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You ever think ferry offered an extension to josh SO HE COULD TRADE HIM?

its not that far fetched.

Which is more plausible:
Ferry offered a short term extension to retain a trade asset on a cheap contract

Or

A spurs protege and student thought it was prudent to offer a contract to a known cancer and team killer?



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PandaKidd wrote:We werent bad, we were what 6th in EC? Josh was Arguably our best player that year (leading scorer).

Let's just say I find it hard to believe that in a year when:

• Marvin Williams could be traded for a former all-star.
• An expiring Gerald Wallace could be traded for a protected lottery pick.
• An expiring Corey Maggette could be traded for a protected lottery pick.

Yet our best player and top scorer couldn't net anything of value in trade.

Something just seems false when multiple teams were contacting us about him as he came off his best season.