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One of our Euro stash players actually develops and what happens? A Euro team makes him an offer that wil lmake it impossible to bring him in on a cap friendly deal? Is the euro stash flawed?

Looks like our C prospect will either stay in Europe or cost quit a bit. Not good for the Hawks

This is the SAS way. It's a long-term investment. Ginobili took 3 years to come over. Splitter took 3 years to come over. And as a result, their respective learning curves were shorter than most Euros.

I actually view Tavares' decision in a positive light. It means he's developing well, gaining valuable experience and his potential is being reached on someone else's dime. (Big men are notoriously late bloomers). Much better than bringing him over early, watching him struggle for years, then see him bolt to fully blossom on another team.

This approach requires patience, but 2-3 years from now should provide us with good value either on the court or in trade.

Completely agree. He would either be spending the majority of his time in the D-League or riding the pine if he came over this year. Let him get seasoned a bit more in Europe. With our recent success, I think we'll actually be able to get a decent backup big that's looking to chase a ring on a vet minimum contract to fill that 3rd center spot on our roster. The vet would surely provide more value than Tavares would this year.

OK. So you draft a guy in 2014 that might make your team in 2017 and some people want to see this as a present asset? So since 2012 our drafts (mostly mid round picks) have netted:
Scott; limit rotation guy, no real asset
Muscala; limit rotation guy still showing potential. Minimal asset
Schroder; Good back up, good potential. Very good asset
Jenkins; bust. No asset

I could put THJ here as a 2015 draft trade asset:
THJ; rotation guy with some potential

The rest are either in Europe or somewhere, but they're not contributing to the Hawks. Not much value for 4 years of mid round drafting.

Tavares is also 23 years old. In 2017 he would be 25 entering his rook year. If he ever comes over. I would rather draft guys that can come in on 4 year rook deals. At least run them through the system and see if any rise. Second round picks are very cap friendly and should fill out our final roster spots.

tbhawksfan1 wrote:OK. So you draft a guy in 2014 that might make your team in 2017 and some people want to see this as a present asset? So since 2012 our drafts (mostly mid round picks) have netted:
Scott; limit rotation guy, no real asset
Muscala; limit rotation guy still showing potential. Minimal asset
Schroder; Good back up, good potential. Very good asset
Jenkins; bust. No asset

Think of it this way. Had Ferry drafted better, we'd be seeing guys like Festus Ezeli, Draymond Green, Rudy Gobert becoming rotation players for us after having gained experience overseas or in the D-League. (Hindsight on all of these)

The system of drafting and developing isn't broken. We just haven't been particularly good at selecting top players and giving them time to develop.

But we have seen guys like Mike Scott and Muscala come into their own...so our drafting had produced a few young gems.

Scott seems to have peaked at very modest. He should be camoed at 3rd string. Not a gem. Muscala hasshown that he can produce better than Scott (at PF) but Muscala's are usually available as journeymen. Still has room to grow, but not a gem. Moose should progress into a decent backup. Scott will likely journey or have a short career.

Schro is the only good pick in 4 years picking mid draft.

Wil and Bud seem to be using Ferry's blueprint. I don't think we exploited the 2015 draft even though we had a mid first and 2 seconds.

If we're in win now mode, we could have done better trading picks for seasoned players. If none of the rooks was win now, why not trade #15 and some seconds or future picks for a much better player than THJ?

People keep saying we're collecting assets. All I see is us trading them for nothing

tbhawksfan1 wrote:One of our Euro stash players actually develops and what happens? A Euro team makes him an offer that wil lmake it impossible to bring him in on a cap friendly deal? Is the euro stash flawed?

Looks like our C prospect will either stay in Europe or cost quit a bit. Not good for the Hawks

Forget about all the rumors you heard, because they are all wrong... Tavares to play for the Hawks!!!

Hawks sign 7-foot-3 Tavares

The Hawks agreed to a multi-year contract with 7-foot-3 center Edy Tavares Thursday. He was a second-round pick (No. 43 overall) of the Hawks last season and spent the year playing in Spain for Gran Canaria of the ACB League.

Tavares, 23, is expected to play for the Hawks’ Las Vegas Summer League team and will come to training camp now that he was signed. The team needed to sign Tavares for him to play in the summer league as he was being courted with lucrative deals by several Euroleague teams.

Tavares acknowledged the agreement on social media Thursday afternoon. He posted on Twitter: “I’m very excited to announce that next season I’ll part of the @ATLHawks Can’t wait to get started Let’s go Hawks! #TruetoAtlanta”
http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/basketball/hawks-sign-tavares/nmqhH/

Coach Budz will probably have Eddy on the bench and going back and forth to the d-league next season, but Tavares is a Hawk. This is probably the Hawks most exciting prospect besides Dennis, as Tavares could be a better version of Rudy Gobert.

"as Tavares could be a better version of Rudy Gobert."


This would be so sweet.

New_Hawks_Era wrote:"as Tavares could be a better version of Rudy Gobert."


This would be so sweet.

At 7'3" & 265lbs, I think Tavares has the size/strength to be better than Gobert.

Not saying it will happen. But with Walter's strength, there are very few bigs in the East capable of handling him in the post one-on-one.

He has a huuuuge learning curve in our system, though. Tiago's presence should definitely help.

A reasonable comparison is a more physical Valanciunas.

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Marc Gasol's comments on Edy Tavares:

I believe that Walter Tavares can be successful in the NBA (with the Atlanta Hawks). He’s been training in Memphis and people are already saying great things. His mobility, his looseness on the court…many things stand out about him. He has had very good trainers and also good teammates around him that have helped him get here. Everything else now depends on him and his work ethic. I believe, though, that he is in a very European franchise. There they have great teamwork and everyone plays well together. This first season will be as important as anyone’s in the United States.

Here's hoping!!!

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tbhawksfan1 wrote:One of our Euro stash players actually develops and what happens? A Euro team makes him an offer that wil lmake it impossible to bring him in on a cap friendly deal? Is the euro stash flawed?

Looks like our C prospect will either stay in Europe or cost quit a bit. Not good for the Hawks

As this sounded as a criticism to European basketball, I believe it would be good to know some facts about European clubs in Europe:

- Professional European clubs have youth teams that can go since kids are 4-5 years old all the way to the professional team.
- Thus they have U14-U16-U18-U21 teams and so on.
- Technique is very well tought to young kids over here, as they/we do not depend so much on athletic abilities.
- So good players with the potential to go to the NBA received years of tuition. Many times, on the court and off the court. For example, FC Barcelona has a place for them to live and go to school when the kids are from abroad.
- Lately some big clubs with economic potential are bringing over kids from other countries since they are really young (14-15 years old). Barça did that with Hezonja, Real Madrid did that with Mirotic and Gran Canaria did that with Lucas "Bebe" Nogueira and Eddie Tavares.
- Many players took the NBA route when they were still exceptionally young and not prepared and ruined their careers forever
(ex.: Tsikitishvili, Bargnani and many others).
- Some NBA clubs also take wrong steps with their prospects, as the Hawks did with Nogueira. "Bebe" has a very thin body and the Hawks coaches decided (almost as ever) to put some weight on him, but their knees began to complain about this new added weight. He was in and out of the court for weeks and the med staff did not know exactly what to do.
- NBA franchises already some years ago self-imposed a maximum price to pay to European clubs for European players, so many times the players have to pay some money themselves to get rid off their European contracts.
- In addition to that, sometimes they take the decission to leave really late into the pre-season (ex.: Papanikolau left for Houston in october, just a few weeks/days before season started for FC Barcelona).

So I believe European clubs have all the rights to protect what they produced and cared about.

I understand the business point of view you USA citizens apply to basketball/everything and I love watching, reading, knowing, discussing, posting and buying the NBA product, but European clubs are no USA universities sending one-and-done kids to the NBA every year just for the love of the game.