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Last of the dog days before Training Camp begins.. Here's a fun rumor which likely never happen, but is intriguing all the same.

Phil Naessens indicates he's heard directly from multiple sources that Knicks have offered Hawks Carmelo for Millsap. The podcast is located here.

Doubt the Hawks do it. And It's definitely a risk. Can't even happen until mid-December because Paul just re-signed.

But....might this get us closer to beating CLE & the Lebrons?

Thoughts?
Predictions?
Concerns?

"Carmelo in the right situation is a superstar." - Phil Naessens

He's still a top 20 player and one of the elite scorers in the world. It's definitely a risk.

One of the things I don't like about Millsap, Tiago and Horford on the same team...it gives us depth, but it prevents us from putting all of our best players on the court at once (Teague v Dennis debate further exacerbates this issue.)

Swapping Millsap for Carmelo resolves that.

But Melo here is a huuuge risk. If he doesn't buy in to our unselfish system, he'd wreck us.

It'd also serve as a bad omen to Free Agents to trade a great locker room guy months after he re-ups.

But man:

Splitter
Horford
Melo
Thabo
Teague

That lineup has few weaknesses. Easily the best starting 5 we've had since Dominique ware a Hawks uni.

The thing is, I don't think Melo will buy in. He might for a few games but he'll revert back to me ball. Melo would give us the star power and that go to option when buckets are hard to come by, but he'll kill the system.


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Melo has a no trade clause in his current contract. If he waives that to WANT to come to the Hawks I can only assume that he's ready to 'buy in' to Bud's offense and defense. If we can get the Team USA version of Melo I'm on board. Hard to say though.

Sup guys I'm a fan of Melo personally not a fan of Knicks or anything just following him around since he entered the league (been a fan of BB for over 18 years)

If you guys are saying that Melo is a ballhog and is not a team player, I'm pretty sure you guys very rarely watch him play that is all I wanted to say but personally, I would quickly agree to this trade and run, 100 times out of 100.

Millsap was just a serviceable big man whom only became an all-star because he got to play along side of Teague, Horford, Korver and Schroder, I mean I like Millsap (a lot actually), been watching him since he was in Utah(pretty sure even before some of the hawks fans even ever laid eyes on him) and was wondering why big teams never go after him since he seems to be a good 3rd 4th option on a good team but Millsap straight up for Melo is going to get Phil Jackson fires and the stadium burn down if he ever agrees to that.

MrProb wrote:Sup guys I'm a fan of Melo personally not a fan of Knicks or anything just following him around since he entered the league (been a fan of BB for over 18 years)

If you guys are saying that Melo is a ballhog and is not a team player, I'm pretty sure you guys very rarely watch him play that is all I wanted to say but personally, I would quickly agree to this trade and run, 100 times out of 100.

...Millsap straight up for Melo is going to get Phil Jackson fires and the stadium burn down if he ever agrees to that.

I appreciate your insight.

I want to point out that your signature plate includes a box score of Carmelo having scored 62 points and notching 0 assists in a game for NYK last year.

Those are the types of performances we DON'T want from 'Melo and that make us most hesitant to bring him in.

Whatever Coach Bud wants to do, I am okay with. He knows who fits into his system.

I don't recall the last time I said that with a Hawks team.

Bud also knows he needs top talent to compete.

Tough to move Millsap, who has been terrific for us in his 2 years. We get another year of Horford at a good salary.

No one thinks we can retain the #1 slot, but I only see Cleveland as the team that could prevent us from being the top seed.
I think we have enough to offset what DMC did for us in his 2 years.

This was the biggest click bait bull podcast started over at PT Hoops.

What makes ANYONE believe the Knicks would be willing to trade Melo for MILLSAP???? They would be targeting Horford. Why trade an aging superstar for another over 30 year old undersized SF?

There is zero chance the Hawks trade PM for Melo. he doesnt fit the team AT ALL. He is an ISO player , hes a Diva, hes had injuries now.

Jamaaliver wrote:

MrProb wrote:Sup guys I'm a fan of Melo personally not a fan of Knicks or anything just following him around since he entered the league (been a fan of BB for over 18 years)

If you guys are saying that Melo is a ballhog and is not a team player, I'm pretty sure you guys very rarely watch him play that is all I wanted to say but personally, I would quickly agree to this trade and run, 100 times out of 100.

...Millsap straight up for Melo is going to get Phil Jackson fires and the stadium burn down if he ever agrees to that.

I appreciate your insight.

I want to point out that your signature plate includes a box score of Carmelo having scored 62 points and notching 0 assists in a game for NYK last year.

Those are the types of performances we DON'T want from 'Melo and that make us most hesitant to bring him in.

AST%??


I agree a lot of Melos hate is overstated, hes never had a good coach IMO, hes never bought into a system , he was hampered by Stats knees, but , lets not act like he is this pass happy SF.

Watch the games. He shoots a ton, he scores a ton, hes not looking to pass. Hes a supreme SCORER. Hes not a TEAM guy. Hes never made anyone on his team better. EVER.

Now hes played with JR SMith and some other terrible people......so.............

PandaKidd wrote:What makes ANYONE believe the Knicks would be willing to trade Melo for MILLSAP???? They would be targeting Horford. Why trade an aging superstar for another over 30 year old undersized SF?

There is zero chance the Hawks trade PM for Melo. he doesnt fit the team AT ALL. He is an ISO player , hes a Diva, hes had injuries now.

NYK were hoping to strike it big in Free Agency this past summer using PJ, Melo and the Triangle as bait for a top free agent....

they failed to attract a top free agent yet again. They got a top 4 pick this year, but next year's pick belongs to someone else.

The whole reason they signed Carmelo was to:
A) Attract more free agent help, or
B) Trade him for assets rather than let him walk for nothing.

New York has no reason to keep him around on that contract. he plays the same position(s) as Porzingis and is a lightning-rod for criticism in NY.

Millsap is a more efficient player, at a position of need, and has a shorter/lower contract number.

I agree the Hawks don't likely make this trade. But NY has waaaay more incentive to move Carmelo. he has two above average years left in him before old age, injury make him a complete albatross.

At this point, it's just asset management.

The only thing worse than Melo staying in NY, was him walking away for nothing in 2014. Their current experience with Carmelo is precisely what we went through with JJ in 2010....

Not following the logic. The Knicks and most everyone sees Porzingis as a PF, the exact same position as Millsap. In fact, LaMarcus Aldridge hung up the phone the moment Phil was suggesting he play Center to accommodate for Porzingis to play PF. You can't say that Melo (who does play PF but predominantly at SF) would get in the way of Porzingis but that Millsap wouldn't.

Jamaaliver wrote:Doubt the Hawks do it. And It's definitely a risk

It's the kind of "good" trade I would never agree. Can be a big win, but also a bigger loss.

Jamaaliver wrote:PS Congrats on 10 years at RealGM. Few have actually stuck it out here even half as long.

Thanks, but today is your "10 years"
Congrats

MaceCase wrote:Not following the logic. The Knicks and most everyone sees Porzingis as a PF, the exact same position as Millsap. In fact, LaMarcus Aldridge hung up the phone the moment Phil was suggesting he play Center to accommodate for Porzingis to play PF. You can't say that Melo (who does play PF but predominantly at SF) would get in the way of Porzingis but that Millsap wouldn't.

A very reasonable question.

I clearly didn't do a good job of explaining myself.

Part of Millsap's appeal is that his contract is for less money and is for a shorter number of years. Millsap's two (or three years) is much easier to adjust Porzingis's development on the floor against than Carmelo's five years. Millsap, because of the shortened contract, will also become more tradable as the years pass by. Carmelo, because of the length of contract and his age, will be much more difficult to move. (If KP is ready to start in 2017, Melo would be in the way. Millsap could easily be moved.)

In addition, that mid-range area that Carmelo is most effective from on offense is the same area Porzingis will likely be filling in 2-3 years, making their fit/skillsets somewhat redundant.

In the slim chance that Millsap is still in NY 2+ years from now, I imagine Paul's ability to stretch the floor AND SCORE IN THE POST could more easily blend with Porzingis's Nowitzki-like offensive arsenal than Melo's game could.

NOTE: This analysis is all speculative based on the small amount of video I've seen and the numerous (sometimes contradictory) article I've read regarding the kid.

D21 wrote:

Jamaaliver wrote:PS Congrats on 10 years at RealGM. Few have actually stuck it out here even half as long.

Thanks, but today is your "10 years"
Congrats

Holy Snapple!!!! I almost forgot!!!!

Yay me!!!



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Jamaaliver wrote:

MaceCase wrote:Not following the logic. The Knicks and most everyone sees Porzingis as a PF, the exact same position as Millsap. In fact, LaMarcus Aldridge hung up the phone the moment Phil was suggesting he play Center to accommodate for Porzingis to play PF. You can't say that Melo (who does play PF but predominantly at SF) would get in the way of Porzingis but that Millsap wouldn't.

A very reasonable question.

I clearly didn't do a good job of explaining myself.

Part of Millsap's appeal is that his contract is for less money and is for a shorter number of years. Millsap's two (or three years) is much easier to adjust Porzingis's development on the floor against than Carmelo's five years. Millsap, because of the shortened contract, will also become more tradable as the years pass by. Carmelo, because of the length of contract and his age, will be much more difficult to move. (If KP is ready to start in 2017, Melo would be in the way. Millsap could easily be moved.)

In addition, that mid-range area that Carmelo is most effective from on offense is the same area Porzingis will likely be filling in 2-3 years, making their fit/skillsets somewhat redundant.

In the slim chance that Millsap is still in NY 2+ years from now, I imagine Paul's ability to stretch the floor AND SCORE IN THE POST could more easily blend with Porzingis's Nowitzki-like offensive arsenal than Melo's game could.

NOTE: This analysis is all speculative based on the small amount of video I've seen and the numerous (sometimes contradictory) article I've read regarding the kid.

It's still not making much sense. Melo's deal is only a year longer than Paul's or the same if he exercises his opt out option. He's also only a year older. He's also the better player right now this second and scores better in the same if not more areas as Paul. Offensively, there simply isn't a spot Melo can't get a bucket from at an elite level, don't let the fact that his volume depresses his averages fool you. Creating that amount of offense underneath that amount of defensive pressure is always a positive, not a negative. That is why he makes more money, he also makes more money because he is a star and thus warrants attracting more attention, this is also not the negative you tried to make it out to be because the revenue he makes greatly offsets his salary which only becomes more of a bargain as the cap rises. He also will allow Porzingis to play his game and position unencumbered. He will draw the attention both on and off the court to allow the kid to more easily grow into his role in the NBA.

So, given that he is the better talent and doesn't at all get in the way of the other talent on the team, that gives the Knicks the better chance of winning more games now, something that is a bonus given that they don't own their pick. Additionally, because he is the bigger name and talent that means he also give the Knicks the better opportunity to attract other marquee players in free agency or trade. The Knicks did have an opportunity at Aldridge, they just led with the worst pitch. Yes, Millsap may be more easily tradeable but that has far more to do with the expectations on a return for him than his contract. Carmelo is both a talent on the court and draw at the box office, there is an actual expectation of what is deemed acceptable in a return for him and Millsap alone isn't it. The only reason the Knicks make a deal like that is if they are hiding info that Melo's knees are shot to hell or Phil is having a peyote relapse. A trade like this only gives the Hawks pause because they've built the entire team and culture in a certain manner that they'd have to redefine on the fly but from a talent standpoint it's a very tough no.

Or that Phil is just not a fan of Melo...lol.

PandaKidd wrote:AST%??


I agree a lot of Melos hate is overstated, hes never had a good coach IMO, hes never bought into a system , he was hampered by Stats knees, but , lets not act like he is this pass happy SF.

Watch the games. He shoots a ton, he scores a ton, hes not looking to pass. Hes a supreme SCORER. Hes not a TEAM guy. Hes never made anyone on his team better. EVER.

Now hes played with JR SMith and some other terrible people......so.............

Alright... I now know if you really know or actually watch Melo plays or not but if you say so. I'm done here peace out and good luck people.

Melo would do great in Budz system and you could see that when he was the best player on team USA and playing off the ball with other guys creating for him.

I think if Melo comes to the Hawks he could put up the best efficiency numbers of his career, but with that said, i wouldn't do the trade because im a fan of Millsap and IM NOT A FAN OF MELO'S CONTRACT!


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I've referenced Team USA Melo but the more I think about it mmmmmm....on Team Usa he deferred yes but he was also playing with llayers BETTER than him so his mindset would be different. On the Hawks he would be considered THE guy, would he still be so willing to defer?
Not sure.