Looking Into the Future

[Geaux_Hawks]

So, I was just probing through the T&T board, and I saw a proposal involving Milsaps. The deal was basically Sap for Jonas V, Knicks pick, and TOR pick. I think that's great value that could really shake up some things for us. Consider that we could even move Teague, KK, and Thabo for picks as well.

I bring this up because Sap is aging, Teague is about to walk in a year, Al is a soon to be free agent, and we have only a few prospects currently. So these moves would be essentially a step into a rebuilding process. The good thing would be that we receive a quality, young starter at center to grow even more with Dennis, while grabbing a few prospects out of this draft with 4 first round picks, including a top 10 guy.

That Knicks pick will likely be a top 10 pick, which we could use to draft or help facilitate a move for a wing(Murray, Hield, Luwawu, etc..) or move on from Al completely and take a big man(Ellenson, Skal, Robb, etc..). This draft features quite a few good role players, and foreigners to gamble on.

In the grand scheme of things, we would suck enough to get a top pick in 2017, and be making a Braves like re-tool/rebuild to stock the shelf with quality talent on top of what we already have with Jonas, Dennis, Walter, and Hardaway.

[Jamaaliver]

So, I was just probing through the T&T board, and I saw a proposal involving Milsaps. The deal was basically Sap for Jonas V, Knicks pick, and TOR pick. I think that's great value that could really shake up some things for us. Consider that we could even move Teague, KK, and Thabo for picks as well.

Millsap for Jonas and a lottery pick is a deal we couldn't decline.

Jonas, Horford and Dennis is likely enough to secure a playoff team next season. Throw in some solid draftees and modest Free Agent signings...the 'rebootooling' could be over in three months.

I wouldn't dump all the vets, though. That's the mistake Philly made and they still haven't recovered.



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[Geaux_Hawks]

So, I was just probing through the T&T board, and I saw a proposal involving Milsaps. The deal was basically Sap for Jonas V, Knicks pick, and TOR pick. I think that's great value that could really shake up some things for us. Consider that we could even move Teague, KK, and Thabo for picks as well.

Millsap for Jonas and a lottery pick is a deal we couldn't decline.

Jonas, Horford and Dennis is likely enough to secure a playoff team next season. Throw in some solid draftees and modest Free Agent signings...the 'rebootooling' could be over in three months.

I wouldn't dump all the vets, though. That's the mistake Philly made and they still haven't recovered.



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If we're going more for the re-tool route, and I'm probably in over my head when I say this, but do you think at that point we could entice KD to come here and be the leader of a team that fits him almost perfectly, and gives him an easier road to the Finals?

Just seems like a perfect scenario for him at that point. We would have the right mix of young guys and veterans, with a very good coach, that only needs a star player to make them a legit contender.

I would assume we go all in for Hield as well, since he would be the most NBA ready wing prospect we could possibly acquire. Domantas Sabonis would be a nice pick up around our pick who could work off the bench and maybe be the heir to Horford.

1-Dennis
2-Hield
3-Durant
4-Horford
5-Jonas

Bench: THJ, KK, Vet PG, Tavaras, Sabonis

Apologize if I'm thinking to far ahead. Barring us making it to the finals this year, I think this core gets blown up over the summer.

[ATLHawksfan21]

I would think the only way we could attract Durant is if we made a strong run in the playoffs this season and kept the current group together. Durant isn't interested in rebuilding. He wants to win now and this current group can offer that as long as they have a reliable backup center and we have a gaping hole at SF while being in the East.

[Jamaaliver]

If we're going more for the re-tool route, and I'm probably in over my head when I say this, but do you think at that point we could entice KD to come here and be the leader of a team that fits him almost perfectly, and gives him an easier road to the Finals?

Just seems like a perfect scenario for him at that point. We would have the right mix of young guys and veterans, with a very good coach, that only needs a star player to make them a legit contender.

Apologize if I'm thinking to far ahead. Barring us making it to the finals this year, I think this core gets blown up over the summer

Reasonable sentiments...all of them.

I'd agree with the poster above. If we pursue KD in his prime...we'd have to take an all out, win-now approach. We'd need to embrace productive, consistent vets. Ironically, I'd be okay with keeping Teague and Millsap if KD joined us. With Wade and LeBron at and approaching the end of their respective prime years, a Durant-led Hawks team would have a legit shot at a Finals appearance.

And I wouldn't dare subject KD or any superstar to the growing pains of a 24 year old Dennis Schroeder.

[Geaux_Hawks]

I would think the only way we could attract Durant is if we made a strong run in the playoffs this season and kept the current group together. Durant isn't interested in rebuilding. He wants to win now and this current group can offer that as long as they have a reliable backup center and we have a gaping hole at SF while being in the East.

I can see making a deep run being something we would need to do, but I don't think we would be in rebuild mode if we brought back Horford, kept KK,THJ, & Thabo, and also brought in a few vets(PG and PF/C). Hield is NBA ready, but doesn't even have to make much contributions early on. THJ could essentially be the stop gap. We might as well move on from Teague and give Dennis the team now.

[ATL Boy]

So, I was just probing through the T&T board, and I saw a proposal involving Milsaps. The deal was basically Sap for Jonas V, Knicks pick, and TOR pick. I think that's great value that could really shake up some things for us. Consider that we could even move Teague, KK, and Thabo for picks as well.

I bring this up because Sap is aging, Teague is about to walk in a year, Al is a soon to be free agent, and we have only a few prospects currently. So these moves would be essentially a step into a rebuilding process. The good thing would be that we receive a quality, young starter at center to grow even more with Dennis, while grabbing a few prospects out of this draft with 4 first round picks, including a top 10 guy.

That Knicks pick will likely be a top 10 pick, which we could use to draft or help facilitate a move for a wing(Murray, Hield, Luwawu, etc..) or move on from Al completely and take a big man(Ellenson, Skal, Robb, etc..). This draft features quite a few good role players, and foreigners to gamble on.

In the grand scheme of things, we would suck enough to get a top pick in 2017, and be making a Braves like re-tool/rebuild to stock the shelf with quality talent on top of what we already have with Jonas, Dennis, Walter, and Hardaway.

I love Millsap, but if we can get Jonas V, a top 10 pick, and another first round pick, I'd be on board.

I'd also look to trade Teague away, either for a pick, or in a trade-up move to go get Buddy Hield. I love Hield as a prospect in this draft. Either use Teague as a chip, or use some combination of firsts to move up for Buddy.

Of course, getting rid of Millsap might hurt our chances of retaining Horford, but I'm sure we can entice him to stay with the prospect of finally moving him to PF, and giving him that 5th year. We'd also have a decision to make in regards to Bazemore, but I'd be fine with letting him walk (if he's too expensive) and using another one of those picks to take another wing.

Our team next season, after making those moves, wouldn't probably be as good as the one this season, but they'd have a lot more longevity, and a higher overall ceiling.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Our team next season, after making those moves, wouldn't probably be as good as the one this season, but they'd have a lot more longevity, and a higher overall ceiling.

Exactly what I would like to see. Gaining some longevity, while increasing our ceiling. I honestly wouldn't mind not being a top team in the east. Heck, even the Spurs took a step back to set themselves up for this long journey of success they are having.

At the rate we're going, we will be stuck paying for guys that are clearly not worth the money they are signed for. The Hawks are headed towards the same direction the Braves were. The Braves were smart enough to turn the other way, despite losing fan favorites, to allow themselves to become a better team.

Love Horford, but him and Sap are 2nd fiddle kind of guys, and unless a bigger name is in town with them, then we might as well move on.

[Jamaaliver]

Our team next season, after making those moves, wouldn't probably be as good as the one this season, but they'd have a lot more longevity, and a higher overall ceiling.

Exactly what I would like to see. Gaining some longevity, while increasing our ceiling. I honestly wouldn't mind not being a top team in the east. Heck, even the Spurs took a step back to set themselves up for this long journey of success they are having.

Spot on analysis. Taking a step back for a single season in hopes of long term benefit is a reasonable tactic. And likely the best way off the treadmill. Miami did it last season. Indy did it last season.

Perfect example: I often look back to the 2012-2013 season, Ferry's first year here. If we had embraced being bad that first year, moved Smoove immediately and just reloaded for a season...we'd likely have Giannis on our squad today and be better off long term.

We've been a treadmill team for the last decade, and so many fans seem willing to cling to that status at all costs.





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[dlb731]

The idea of trading milsap for Jonas and a lottery pick is definitely something that the Hawks should do in a heartbeat... But there is no way that it will happen.

Toronto has no reason to trade away a current starter, and what could be a potential starter, just for one player, especially if the hole he fills is a position they can sign in the off season anyway.

[xccelerate]

Teague and Millsap are machines at forcing turnovers. Defense would take hits if we have a rookie +JV as 2 of our starters. This roster - Baze + Durant + a couple tweaks would be great. If no Durant, then yeah I would do the deal.

Honestly it's sad seeing these random rumors of Durant to GS, SA, BOS, Miami, DC, LA but not us. Someone needs to do something about our lack of ability to attract a free agent.....or even be linked to one.

[MaceCase]

Teague and Millsap are machines at forcing turnovers. Defense would take hits if we have a rookie +JV as 2 of our starters. This roster - Baze + Durant + a couple tweaks would be great. If no Durant, then yeah I would do the deal.

Honestly it's sad seeing these random rumors of Durant to GS, SA, BOS, Miami, DC, LA but not us. Someone needs to do something about our lack of ability to attract a free agent.....or even be linked to one.

It helps when your town has more than one newspaper/media source. All the areas with at least 2+ papers and ESPN in their backyard always coincidentally seem to be trying to top each other with inside "scoops" that never seem to pan out but whatever, they got the clicks/views/papers sold anyway. San Antonio only got in the discussion after 20 years of 50+ wins, 5 championships and finally signing their first big time free agent last summer.

[King Ken]

The Hawks wouldn't trade Millsap for Jonas and a pick in a weak draft. Sometimes you guys really undervalue our talent on RealGM. It's extremely strange to say the least and over value others talent.

Not to say Sap can't be moved but it is unlikely. He is constantly improving with age and his game is like fine wine. Just like the Horford and Teague value trades you guys are far too low on our own talent. Some of you say I overvalue but I understand how we value our talent. It's unlikely they will make a trade of a core player and want anything less than excellent value.

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[King Ken]

I also don't think it's reasonable for any team to think they are getting Durant outside of maybe two and that's OKC and Golden State. It's just wishful thinking for the others including Atlanta

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[Geaux_Hawks]

The Hawks wouldn't trade Millsap for Jonas and a pick in a weak draft. Sometimes you guys really undervalue our talent on RealGM. It's extremely strange to say the least and over value others talent.

Not to say Sap can't be moved but it is unlikely. He is constantly improving with age and his game is like fine wine. Just like the Horford and Teague value trades you guys are far too low on our own talent. Some of you say I overvalue but I understand how we value our talent. It's unlikely they will make a trade of a core player and want anything less than excellent value.

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Sadly, you do honestly overvalue our players. Jonas is a solid, young rim protector, who's only going to get better as he is only 23. Throw in a top 10 pick regardless of how "weak" this draft is suppose to be, and also a late round pick as well, and you easily have enough value for a year of Milsap who is 30+.

[King Ken]

The Hawks wouldn't trade Millsap for Jonas and a pick in a weak draft. Sometimes you guys really undervalue our talent on RealGM. It's extremely strange to say the least and over value others talent.

Not to say Sap can't be moved but it is unlikely. He is constantly improving with age and his game is like fine wine. Just like the Horford and Teague value trades you guys are far too low on our own talent. Some of you say I overvalue but I understand how we value our talent. It's unlikely they will make a trade of a core player and want anything less than excellent value.

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Sadly, you do honestly overvalue our players. Jonas is a solid, young rim protector, who's only going to get better as he is only 23. Throw in a top 10 pick regardless of how "weak" this draft is suppose to be, and also a late round pick as well, and you easily have enough value for a year of Milsap who is 30+.

When you heard what Atlanta wanted it was exactly in line what I said it was. You guys don't even realize how terrible this is for us. They have a better center on their roster named Bismack. They get to resign him, get a top 5 PF in Sap and they take us out of contending.

If I overvalue, you just don't know anything about the NBA.

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[King Ken]

It's a weak overall class. Fact
Jonas is slightly above average. Fact
Millsap is improving and a top 5 PF. Fact
I told you Atlanta wanted a lot for Horford. You tried to say otherwise. Fact
I told you Atlanta wants multiple valued prospects or one very good one like Noah or Okafor for Jeff. You were trying to trade him for bull. Facts.

I am glad I am right because if your right, we become the Nets overnight.

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[King Ken]

It makes for sense with me being right. I want to build a contender, you just want to make a deal to make a deal. You are Billy King. I am R.C. Buford. It just makes more sense that way.

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[Jamaaliver]

[Geaux_Hawks]

It's a weak overall class. Fact
Jonas is slightly above average. Fact
Millsap is improving and a top 5 PF. Fact
I told you Atlanta wanted a lot for Horford. You tried to say otherwise. Fact
I told you Atlanta wants multiple valued prospects or one very good one like Noah or Okafor for Jeff. You were trying to trade him for bull. Facts.

I am glad I am right because if your right, we become the Nets overnight.

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Slightly above average for a 23 old true 7 footer is damn good value alone. If you're willing to say Sap is improving at age 31, then I'm pretty sure a 23 old can do even more as far as improvements and getting better.

Top 5 PF???????? Love Sap, but he's not a top 5 PF. Top 10, yeah I could agree.

I don't think you told us anything. I think what happened was that Atlanta wanted to keep this core of players period. If we're sitting on a gold mine of talent, then we should be battling for the #1 seed in the East at least, but hey, you're R.C Buford(who achieved what he has up to now because his team tanked after Robinson went out), and we're Billy Knight.