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2015-16 Atlanta Hawks Offseason Thread

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2015-16 Atlanta Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#1 » by Hawk Eye » Mon May 9, 2016 1:15 am

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Welcome to the official Atlanta Hawks offseason thread!

Fell free to discuss any of the following

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And yes I will give my thoughts on the state of the team and the direction they should be going later in this thread.
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Re: 2015-16 Atlanta Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#2 » by King Ken » Mon May 9, 2016 1:46 am

Resigning Al is #1

Holding on to assets but being open to trading them for value is #2

Looking at getting better wings is #3.

Getting another top young talent like Dennis is #4.

Getting a #1 option is #5.

Getting a closer like Joe Johnson is #6.

Looking at moving up in the draft for a better pick is #7 but getting T. Prince would help too.

Tim Hardaway Jr development is #8.

Getting more talent and getting better is #9.

Going all in for Kevin Durant is #10.

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Re: 2015-16 Atlanta Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#3 » by King Ken » Mon May 9, 2016 1:59 am

If we know by the draft that Durant is leaning LAL or OKC, let's trade our 1st for P.J. Tucker. Fits our system. Has size and can rebound extremely well and he shoots the three decently and could be better with our player development system.

We would have 12 million in cap room removing all cap holds other than Al and that should give us a chance to sign Joe Johnson as a free agent.

This is clearly excluding trading our assets which is a separate subject.

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Re: 2015-16 Atlanta Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#4 » by Skyhawk1 » Mon May 9, 2016 4:41 am

The Hawks dropped from 60 to 48 wins with about the same team. They will drop another 5-10 games if they keep the core ( Horford and Korver). That might be good enough to being mediocre again. I do not understand why basketball is so slow to react when things don't get better. How much better can Horford ( in a contract year) and Korver ( at 35) be ? Teague should have been gone at the trade deadline. I'm all for a complete rebuild. I'm keeping Schroder, everyone else is available. We have to get younger and manage our cap. I'm very disappointed in Horford this post season. He lost a fan.
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Post#5 » by King Ken » Mon May 9, 2016 1:42 pm

Skyhawk1 wrote:The Hawks dropped from 60 to 48 wins with about the same team. They will drop another 5-10 games if they keep the core ( Horford and Korver). That might be good enough to being mediocre again. I do not understand why basketball is so slow to react when things don't get better. How much better can Horford ( in a contract year) and Korver ( at 35) be ? Teague should have been gone at the trade deadline. I'm all for a complete rebuild. I'm keeping Schroder, everyone else is available. We have to get younger and manage our cap. I'm very disappointed in Horford this post season. He lost a fan.

They dropped because we were trying to play the same style when we simply didn't have Carroll. We adjusted like Cleveland and became a different team based on defense and our 2nd half record was much better.

You are being beyond pessimistic.

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Re: 2015-16 Atlanta Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#6 » by PandaKidd » Mon May 9, 2016 2:19 pm

Replacing Al Horford is #1. Sign and Trade Al to get someone who can somewhat match his production. Ezehli/Mozgov, etc would be on board with me.

GET HARRISON BARNES. hes #1A for me. I believe in him and his talent on this team. Hes exactly a kinda guy i would invest in long term. Youd get your SF of the future, big body who you can grow and cultivate into a perimeter scorer.

TRADE TEAGUE. I dont care what you get for him but call the desperate teams (SAC/76ERS/BUCKS) and move him for something. Prospects, draft picks, just get it done. His tenure here is done, we know his ceiling. Thank you for your service , time to turn the page.

DS may NOT be ready to start, but we need to look at it. Will his decision making get better playing with starters, and getting starters minutes? Sign a VET PG to back him up OR to be the starter and tutor him.

Other dominoes:
DO NOT SIGN BAZEMORE. Let him walk, hes a 2 guard playing SF. GO GET A REAL SF if its not Barnes, get someone else. THJ is the 2 guard you traded and invested in. Bazemore is not a luxury you can afford. His skillset is too limited.

Kris Humph should replace Muscala if it works out financially. You need to get TOUGHER on the interior.

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Thats where I would start.
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Re: 2015-16 Atlanta Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#7 » by PandaKidd » Mon May 9, 2016 2:22 pm

I cant believe someone said we should pursue Joe Johnson..........

Why? theres 1000 better options out there. Batum/Barnes/Parsons Hell i would take Deng over JJ. I would take back Marvin Williams over JJ.
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Post#8 » by King Ken » Mon May 9, 2016 2:57 pm

PandaKidd wrote:I cant believe someone said we should pursue Joe Johnson..........

Why? theres 1000 better options out there. Batum/Barnes/Parsons Hell i would take Deng over JJ. I would take back Marvin Williams over JJ.

Those players aren't readily available. Barnes is resigning as well as Batum, Marvin and Parsons. You can't sign players who don't want to leave and will get paid by their teams.

Joe is a 3rd tier players who fits what we do. Gives us a solid scorer who plays good defense, shoots threes exceptionally well, plays solid D, is clutch and at a reasonable cost. Not everyone lacks intelligence and sense like certain posters around here who like to name call and cry foul like little bitches.

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Post#9 » by NekiEcko » Mon May 9, 2016 3:12 pm

First of all, we do have a GM in Wes Wilcox.

But here is what I do if I were in BudCox

* Offer Horford a similar type of contract that Millsap signed (2 years, Player Option 1 year for 18 - 20 mil)
* Let Bazemore walk (there will be a team that will give him the max and he is not at the level yet)
* I will test the trade market with Teague and Dennis, the one that yields the greatest value gets traded.
* FIND A WING, FIND A WING, FIND A WING via FA, Trade, or Draft.
* Move Korver to the Bench
* If Horford does move on, then go after Dwight, Whiteside or any Centers that is a very good rebounder.
* Look for that superstar/Number 1 option.

Also, there is some rumors that Owners wasn't too happy about this year and hopefully they will open up the checkbook this FA.
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Re: Re: 2015-16 Atlanta Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#10 » by PandaKidd » Mon May 9, 2016 3:45 pm

King Ken wrote:
PandaKidd wrote:I cant believe someone said we should pursue Joe Johnson..........

Why? theres 1000 better options out there. Batum/Barnes/Parsons Hell i would take Deng over JJ. I would take back Marvin Williams over JJ.

Those players aren't readily available. Barnes is resigning as well as Batum, Marvin and Parsons. You can't sign players who don't want to leave and will get paid by their teams.


not if GSW go after Durant. Not if GSW feel like they dont want to lock up a max deal in a guy who is like their 4th option (with curry coming up in a year. I feel like their core is going to be
Klay
Curry
Ezehli
Bogut
Iggy
theyll be able to retain Livingston and Barbosa IMO. They offered Barnes a 4/64 deal and he turned it down. I have a strong feeling Barnes is playing for someone else next year. Hopefully us.

Parsons is prob off limits, Batum im not so sure he wouldnt leave to get a bigger role on another team. A VERY friendly SF team.

Joe is a 3rd tier players who fits what we do. Gives us a solid scorer who plays good defense, shoots threes exceptionally well, plays solid D, is clutch and at a reasonable cost.


Joe Johnson is the exact OPPOSITE player the Hawks want. Hes and Isolation player, a ball stopper. he also wont be cheap. Maybe Cheap-ER. But hardly is JJ the SF of us for the future. WE NEED TO GET YOUNGER. JJ would be abysmal.

Not everyone lacks intelligence and sense like certain posters around here who like to name call and cry foul like little bitches.


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Re: 2015-16 Atlanta Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#11 » by PandaKidd » Mon May 9, 2016 3:45 pm

NekiEcko wrote:First of all, we do have a GM in Wes Wilcox.

But here is what I do if I were in BudCox

* Offer Horford a similar type of contract that Millsap signed (2 years, Player Option 1 year for 18 - 20 mil)
* Let Bazemore walk (there will be a team that will give him the max and he is not at the level yet)
* I will test the trade market with Teague and Dennis, the one that yields the greatest value gets traded.
* FIND A WING, FIND A WING, FIND A WING via FA, Trade, or Draft.
* Move Korver to the Bench
* If Horford does move on, then go after Dwight, Whiteside or any Centers that is a very good rebounder.
* Look for that superstar/Number 1 option.

Also, there is some rumors that Owners wasn't too happy about this year and hopefully they will open up the checkbook this FA.

they SHARE GM duties.

Everything else seems reasonable.
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Re: 2015-16 Atlanta Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#12 » by Jamaaliver » Mon May 9, 2016 4:13 pm

Teague's Instagram seems pretty undeniable at this point. I'm a little rusty on my urban colloquialisms. But Peace Sign = Deuces = I'm heading out...

I'm guessing this is in response to being benched in favor of DS with the season on the line. And whatever was stated at the exit meaning meeting with BUD and Company.

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Re: 2015-16 Atlanta Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#13 » by PandaKidd » Mon May 9, 2016 4:17 pm

mehhh theres NO WAY they have a trade in place for him already, hes under contract. I think it just means GOOD BYE to this season. I wouldnt read too much into it.
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Post#14 » by Jamaaliver » Mon May 9, 2016 4:23 pm

PandaKidd wrote:mehhh theres NO WAY they have a trade in place for him already, hes under contract. I think it just means GOOD BYE to this season. I wouldnt read too much into it.




No way a trade is in place. But I suspect Teague asked for clarity on his position with the team. And Bud likely was frank with him:

His days as starter in ATL are over. And he will be shopped during the off-season to a team in need of starting PG options.
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Re: 2015-16 Atlanta Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#15 » by jayu70 » Mon May 9, 2016 4:25 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
PandaKidd wrote:mehhh theres NO WAY they have a trade in place for him already, hes under contract. I think it just means GOOD BYE to this season. I wouldnt read too much into it.




No way a trade is in place. But I suspect Teague asked for clarity on his position with the team. And Bud likely was frank with him, his time as starter in ATL is over. He and his agent are free to pursue trades this off-season.

Have exit interviews occurred already? Because if he asked during the playoffs - stupid, if he asked after the G4 loss - stupid.
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Post#16 » by Jamaaliver » Mon May 9, 2016 4:33 pm

jayu70 wrote:Have exit interviews occurred already? Because if he asked during the playoffs - stupid, if he asked after the G4 loss - stupid.



I believe they have:

“I’m not thinking about that,” Horford said Sunday, via the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “We just had a tough loss. My main priority tomorrow is to meet with the team and the coaches one last time (for the season) and go from there and figure out how we can be a better group.”
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Our starting PG was on the bench down the stretch of Games 1 & 4 in the playoffs this series. No way that doesn't come up in exit interviews with the coach.
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Post#17 » by jayu70 » Mon May 9, 2016 4:50 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
jayu70 wrote:Have exit interviews occurred already? Because if he asked during the playoffs - stupid, if he asked after the G4 loss - stupid.



I believe they have:

“I’m not thinking about that,” Horford said Sunday, via the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “We just had a tough loss. My main priority tomorrow is to meet with the team and the coaches one last time (for the season) and go from there and figure out how we can be a better group.”
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Our starting PG was on the bench down the stretch of Games 1 & 4 in the playoffs this series. No way that doesn't come up in exit interviews with the coach.

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Re: 2015-16 Atlanta Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#18 » by Jamaaliver » Mon May 9, 2016 5:09 pm

Anyone have ESPN Insider?

Want to summarize what those folks think we should expect this summer?

Will Hawks bring back Horford, Teague and Bazemore?

The Atlanta Hawks face major roster questions this summer.

Should they bring back Al Horford and Kent Bazemore on big contracts? Who is their point guard of the future?

Our NBA Insider crew forecasts the future for the Hawks
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Post#19 » by Jamaaliver » Mon May 9, 2016 5:15 pm

A couple of 'Hot Takes' from ESPN Staff Writer Ohm Youngmisuk:

-Dennis Schroder made it no secret that he wants to be a starting point guard in the future. Hawks may have a decision to make on what direction they want to go with Jeff Teague or Schroder. Schroder finished Game 4 while Teague sat entire fourth. Teague could be attractive on trade market with one year left on deal worth $8 million.


-When asked what he can improve on his game in the offseason, Jeff Teague said getting "healthy." Teague said his knees and ankles bothered him this season.
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Re: 2015-16 Atlanta Hawks Offseason Thread 

Post#20 » by PandaKidd » Mon May 9, 2016 6:16 pm

we all thought FOR SURE that Teague was going to be traded at the deadline, that didnt happen.

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