What would the Hawks need from the Celtics for Millsap? (assuming you rebuild)

[robbie84]

Obviously you won't give him up unless you rebuild, but lets say Horford leaves and you trade Teague- As an outsider I'm assuming the Hawks would listen to offers for Millsap because he's a stud.
Only issue is his player option in the 2nd of his 2 remaining years.

What would it take? eg..

Avery Bradley+
#16
Memphis 2019 pick?

Cheers guys

[Jamaaliver]

What would it take? eg..

Avery Bradley+
#16
Memphis 2019 pick?

^This likely wouldn't be enough...but it's a start.



I was actually wondering if you guys would be interested in a three way trade.


Cavs get: Millsap, Kyle Korver

Hawks get: #3 pick, JR Smith, James Young, Avery Bradley

Celtics get: Kevin Love, Mike Scott, Tiago Splitter, #21 pick from ATL


Just as a starting point for negotiations.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Any deal with Sap will have to revolve around #3. Anything less just stunts the rebuild, unless we have a 3rd party giving us good rebuild blocks for whatever you are offering.

[td00]

What would it take? eg..

Avery Bradley+
#16
Memphis 2019 pick?

This likely wouldn't be enough...but it's a start.



I was actually wondering if you guys would be interested in a three way trade.


Cavs get: Millsap, Kyle Korver

Hawks get: #3 pick, JR Smith, James Young, Avery Bradley

Celtics get: Kevin Love, Mike Scott, Tiago Splitter, #21 pick from ATL


Just as a starting point for negotiations.

I'm curious, Jamaal....who would you have your sights set on @#3? Losing Horford, Sap & Teague in the same offseason just doesn't sound like a Bud type development plan.

I tend to think we stay competitive, and moving Al out gives us flex to pay Bazemore, who is younger, and possibly allow us to consider whether we would overpay or force GSW to pay more for Barnes.

[dms269]

What would it take? eg..

Avery Bradley+
#16
Memphis 2019 pick?

This likely wouldn't be enough...but it's a start.



I was actually wondering if you guys would be interested in a three way trade.


Cavs get: Millsap, Kyle Korver

Hawks get: #3 pick, JR Smith, James Young, Avery Bradley

Celtics get: Kevin Love, Mike Scott, Tiago Splitter, #21 pick from ATL


Just as a starting point for negotiations.

I'm curious, Jamaal....who would you have your sights set on @#3? Losing Horford, Sap & Teague in the same offseason just doesn't sound like a Bud type development plan.

I tend to think we stay competitive, and moving Al out gives us flex to pay Bazemore, who is younger, and possibly allow us to consider whether we would overpay or force GSW to pay more for Barnes.

I for one would love trying to get a very high draft pick for Milsap (in that idea we are also getting a decent SG in Bradley).

I'm not sure that a team of Teague/Korver/Bazemore/Millsap/Splitter is a truly competitive team. With that lineup, and paying Bazemore a ton of money to be a 12 ppg scorer means we are left with a 7 or 8 seed team (6th if we are lucky). Not oly that but you are then looking at having to give Milsap a max as he will opt out to make the huge money he can.

If you hold on to talent for too long their value declines dramatically (see Josh Smith). If you can get a nice offer for players like Teague and Millsap then you must bite on it so you are left with the team that isn't a contender but isn't bad enough to tank.

[Jamaaliver]

I'm not sure that a team of Teague/Korver/Bazemore/Millsap/Splitter is a truly competitive team.

If you hold on to talent for too long their value declines dramatically (see Josh Smith). If you can get a nice offer for players like Teague and Millsap then you must bite on it so you are left with the team that isn't a contender but isn't bad enough to tank.

Bingo.

Millsap wants max money in a year. Bazemore is NOT a game changer worth $10+ million. Even Teague's value is much lower than a year ago.

My goal is to be a true contender in the next three years...not snag the fifth seed and get swept by CLE yet again.



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[Jamaaliver]

I'm curious, Jamaal....who would you have your sights set on @#3? Losing Horford, Sap & Teague in the same offseason just doesn't sound like a Bud type development plan.

I tend to think we stay competitive, and moving Al out gives us flex to pay Bazemore, who is younger, and possibly allow us to consider whether we would overpay or force GSW to pay more for Barnes.

I think Hield could be a much more talented replacement for Bazemore on the wing. On a much lower salary as well. Dragan Bender could be a nice addition at Power Forward for the next decade...similar to Porzingis (I think).

But admittedly, Bender is a bit of a gamble. Hield seems like a surefire starter on the wings for years to come.

But, I'm done trying to win with this core. We are not elite. And not in the same league as CLE, Spurs or GSW.

Move Millsap for Hield. Trade Teague for Noel. Re-sign Horford. Use some of the cap savings this summer for blue collar vets to serve as starters while our elite young talents make the adjustment into starters.

Two or three years from now...a starting lineup with Horford, Nerlens, Hield, Schroeder could be really special with a larger window to compete for elite status. You add a Nic Batum or Gordon Hayward to that core...as CLE, SAS and GSW are ending their runs...that could be the next great Eastern Conference contender.




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[td00]

I think Hield will be more of an unknown than Jamaal Murray. But if you're at #3, how can you avoid not taking Jaylen Brown? My problem at 3 is I have zero interest in helping Ainge rebuild. I'd help the Lakers before I'd help Celtics.

We can fill a void in the first 8 picks and that's by moving our picks+one of our PGs....Unless it's for a starter, I'm keeping both PGs though.

For this draft, I'd want the best player no matter the position. Too many ways we can improve our team by focusing on specific positions. But you can never have enough shooting.

I don't see us revisiting the JoeJ/JC1/JC2/Marvin options as all these guys will be available, but only Marvin could help us on defense.

Do you see us moving our #1 for the 3rd straight year? I really don't.

[Jamaaliver]

I think Hield will be more of an unknown than Jamaal Murray. But if you're at #3, how can you avoid not taking Jaylen Brown? My problem at 3 is I have zero interest in helping Ainge rebuild. I'd help the Lakers before I'd help Celtics.

We can fill a void in the first 8 picks and that's by moving our picks+one of our PGs....Unless it's for a starter, I'm keeping both PGs though.

For this draft, I'd want the best player no matter the position. Too many ways we can improve our team by focusing on specific positions. But you can never have enough shooting.

I don't see us revisiting the JoeJ/JC1/JC2/Marvin options as all these guys will be available, but only Marvin could help us on defense.

Do you see us moving our #1 for the 3rd straight year? I really don't.

All of these are valid points/ideas.

We likely won't move the pick/draftee again. But I think refusing to do so is missing the lesson from those past drafts. The issue isn't that we moved our picks all those times. It's that We didn't get much value for three straight top-16 selections.

We gotta manage our assets better.

[td00]

I'm curious also if we would dip in the Mich St program again and if we stand pat, we go get a Valentine, who would seem to be a higher draft pick, based on his credentials. His size would be good for our 1/2 court game and could actually be a leader on the 2nd unit early in the season. I seem to recall Izzo begging Dan Gilbert to take Draymond Green when he had the opportunity.

In the late round of picks, I could see Poythress helping us out as a defender and rebounder. Guy is very athletic, but simply struggled to take the role of the 3 at UK. We simply need bodies at the 3 to help us defend and athleticism. Poythress should be 100 percent now, but didn't hear if Bud brought him in for a workout? Poythress is very similar to Mich St. Shannon Dawson,who started to get minutes as a Clipper last year.

[Geaux_Hawks]

I think Hield will be more of an unknown than Jamaal Murray. But if you're at #3, how can you avoid not taking Jaylen Brown? My problem at 3 is I have zero interest in helping Ainge rebuild. I'd help the Lakers before I'd help Celtics.

We can fill a void in the first 8 picks and that's by moving our picks+one of our PGs....Unless it's for a starter, I'm keeping both PGs though.

For this draft, I'd want the best player no matter the position. Too many ways we can improve our team by focusing on specific positions. But you can never have enough shooting.

I don't see us revisiting the JoeJ/JC1/JC2/Marvin options as all these guys will be available, but only Marvin could help us on defense.

Do you see us moving our #1 for the 3rd straight year? I really don't.

I like Brown, but I don't think he is a shoe-in at #3. Hield is far from an unknown as he possess a higher floor than most prospects in the draft.

With that said, who cares about helping the Celtics. If they're willing to give us a kick start to a quick, hasty rebuild, then they can have whatever.

We shouldn't be worried about getting only a starter out of one of the PG's. We should get the best value possible regardless of what that is. I would hope that we don't move our #1 simply because we need prospects in the pipeline.

[simon24]

Any deal with Sap will have to revolve around #3. Anything less just stunts the rebuild, unless we have a 3rd party giving us good rebuild blocks for whatever you are offering.

It'd be hard to pull off a fair trade since they're both competing for Horford. BOS doesn't want to trade Crowder who the Hawks could really use.

[jayu70]

Obviously you won't give him up unless you rebuild, but lets say Horford leaves and you trade Teague- As an outsider I'm assuming the Hawks would listen to offers for Millsap because he's a stud.
Only issue is his player option in the 2nd of his 2 remaining years.

What would it take? eg..

Avery Bradley+
#16
Memphis 2019 pick?

Cheers guys

Start with pick #3 in 2016.
End with a future Brooklyn pick or swap pick.

If we are trading Millsap, I prefer we send him out West to a team like Minny for #5 and some young players.

[D21]

...I tend to think we stay competitive, and moving Al out gives us flex to pay Bazemore, who is younger, and possibly allow us to consider whether we would overpay or force GSW to pay more for Barnes.

...With that lineup, and paying Bazemore a ton of money to be a 12 ppg scorer means we are left with a 7 or 8 seed team

One thing I absolutely don't want to see is any F.A. scenario "allowing to pay Bazemore".
As soon as we would have lots of room, his agent will try to eat all that room, and ATL will end overpaying a SF.
Bazemore is good, has potential to improve, but Bud's game tends to make SFs looking better than what they are.
We need to explore all the other possibilities, even if it costs us loosing Bazemore because of another team overpaying for him.

[dms269]

...I tend to think we stay competitive, and moving Al out gives us flex to pay Bazemore, who is younger, and possibly allow us to consider whether we would overpay or force GSW to pay more for Barnes.

...With that lineup, and paying Bazemore a ton of money to be a 12 ppg scorer means we are left with a 7 or 8 seed team

One thing I absolutely don't want to see is any F.A. scenario "allowing to pay Bazemore".
As soon as we would have lots of room, his agent will try to eat all that room, and ATL will end overpaying a SF.
Bazemore is good, has potential to improve, but Bud's game tends to make SFs looking better than what they are.
We need to explore all the other possibilities, even if it costs us loosing Bazemore because of another team overpaying for him.

I adamantly agree. Bazemore is a large part of a system. Bud's system with these wings reminds me a lot of the Bobby Cox/Leo Mazzone style of starting pitchers. They were able to go out, get pitchers who were pretty dreadful, have them have a good 1-2 years, then move on.

[atlantabbq99]

Some Cavs fans seem to be okay with Millsap for Love straight up.

Hawks get #3
Cavs get Millsap
Celtics get Love

Hawks resign Horford and can go after Noah, Dwight, Speights, or Ezeli

[td00]

I like moving Horford more than I do moving Sap. Sap appears to be more versatile and we have him at a good number.

Al is going to kill this team's cap very soon if we can't seem to come up with a transaction that brings us an impact to this roster.

Sap needs to bring back a pick and a starter IMO.

I expect the Celtics to offer Al the max, and a S&T is the only way I do business with Ainge. There's plenty of West teams to deal with.

[jayu70]

I like moving Horford more than I do moving Sap. Sap appears to be more versatile and we have him at a good number.

Al is going to kill this team's cap very soon if we can't seem to come up with a transaction that brings us an impact to this roster.

Sap needs to bring back a pick and a starter IMO.

I expect the Celtics to offer Al the max, and a S&T is the only way I do business with Ainge. There's plenty of West teams to deal with.

We have Millsap at a good number for 1 more season (he'll likely opt out). What do you think happens when he opts out after next season with the cap expected to be at $109 million. He'll be 32 years, looking for his final big payday and will be in the 10 year price range of 35% of the cap for a max of $38 mil/per (not that I think he'll get that). That is what will kill our cap in 2018, if the cap stops rising.
There is no incentive for Boston to do a SnT when they have capspace to sign Al outright. The most the Hawk can do is create a trade exception if they choose to but it counts against the salary cap.

[td00]

Before you go down that road with Sap, you have to consider whether he fits for the roster at that time.

Lots of things will change before then, but if you're letting Al go, then you're in serious contention for someone to replace him.

These numbers are exploding to the point that I don't see the owners truly exceeding the cap or perhaps not even spending enough to get to the cap limits.

So for now, not worried about Sap and his potential to ask for north of $30M. It's Al that could hamper the growth of this team currently, and if you have 2 perimeter guys that you can push that money to, then I say you allow Al the S&T or just walk outright.
Houston would love to have Al in place of Dwight IMO. I wouldn't want to see Al night after night in the East though.

Still thinking the Hawks' superstar of the future has to come from the draft.

[PandaKidd]

Im increasingly thinking (based on rumblings) that the Hawks have 2 schools of though. Resign Al, trade Jeff, hope for the best. The other rumblings im reading is they have no interest in resigning Al to a max deal, and they would be ok with rebooting. Trade Sap at the deadline.

I really have no idea what they will do