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ATL Boy wrote:This move will look really good after we see Teague sign for 23+ mil per year next summer...

We're really banking on him taking that next step, but we were doing that after trading Teague. This is just a double down.

PandaKidd wrote:Yeah people are bitching all over twitter. They moved Teague to make DS the #1, would it have been wise to risk him having a breakout season and watching him command max dollars in RFA?

17 million isnt a lot for a starting PG. Go look at the top guys. In 2 years if hes our guy, this will look like an absolute steal

PandaKidd wrote:Lets also not forget hes much younger than Bazemore. You basically locked up most of DS Prime. And honetly if he ends up being as good as last year, its not THAT bad of a contract. again, you have to pay SOMEONE to run point, and DS has shown he has the talent.

Schroder becomes the third member of the NBA's 2013 draft class to land an extension before Monday's annual Halloween deadline for deals, joining Portland's C.J. McCollum and Milwaukee's Giannis Antetokounmpo.

The deal represents an additional boost of confidence from Hawks management in Schroder, who ‎became Atlanta's new starting point guard when the club elected to trade former All-Star Jeff Teague to Indiana in the offseason.

Atlanta is putting all its point guard eggs in Dennis Schroder‘s basket – not just as the starter on a team that expects to make the playoffs, but a long-term building block.

Paying Schroder $17.5 million per year seems fair, because he could wind up drastically underpaid or drastically overpaid.

He possesses impressive tools and is already beginning to utilize them, including in several clutch situations. But he must make better decisions with the ball, finish better at the rim and shoot better from outside for Atlanta’s bet to pay off.

Just 23, time is on his side. If Schroder develops into a quality starting point guard, he’ll be a bargain.

The Hawks are banking heavily on Schröder when it comes to the team’s future, and Atlanta would have faced a decision in restricted free agency after the coming season.

As such, the four-year, $70 million price tag makes a ton of sense for both sides. For Schröder, this is life-changing money and security that he has not enjoyed to this point. The team forfeits the flexibility associated with a low salary cap hold in the offseason, but Schröder is effectively taking a discount (according to the market) and that certainly justifies the move.

The Hawks signed Dennis Schroder to a four-year, $70 million contract extension on Wednesday.

There are two arguments to make:

1. Schroder has a high ceiling and the Hawks have full confidence that he will be able to handle the duties of a starting point guard in the NBA. In signing him to a contract with an average salary of $15.5 $17.5 million, they get a bargain down the line for a starting point guard in the NBA. Jeff Teague was going to command $20 million or more per season when he becomes an unrestricted free agent after the season.



2. Schroder is unproven and the Hawks paid big money for a player that has never been a regular starter in the league. He is prone to turnovers. The Hawks should have let Schroder play out the season, prove he could be a starter and match an offer as a restricted free agent should one come along. If no offer, they had a qualifying offer of $3.8 million.

Jamaaliver wrote:A wise decision. Getting him on a great deal, below max...before he enters Free Agency.

Well done on both parts. No matter how 'unrealistic' it is.

MaceCase wrote: The only reason to hand out an extension to either is if BudCox feels they can get them on less than what they would on the open market during their restricted free agency.

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Jamaaliver wrote:A wise decision. Getting him on a great deal, below max...before he enters Free Agency.

Well done on both parts. No matter how 'unrealistic' it is.

You asked me if I believed he was "max-caliber", I told you that my belief of their value has nothing to do with what the market could bear. You somehow twisted that into "unrealistic".

Jamaaliver wrote:Question: Are you of the opinion that Dennis is, undoubtedly, a max-caliber player?

MaceCase wrote:How in the world can anyone look at the contracts being handed out over the last two seasons even question whether any rotation player in the NBA is a "max-caliber player"?

If you are of the opinion otherwise then you just can't face reality.

ATL Boy wrote:

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Deal looks even better now. The rest of the money ($2 mil per year) is incentives based.

Jamaaliver wrote:

MaceCase wrote:

Jamaaliver wrote:A wise decision. Getting him on a great deal, below max...before he enters Free Agency.

Well done on both parts. No matter how 'unrealistic' it is.

You asked me if I believed he was "max-caliber", I told you that my belief of their value has nothing to do with what the market could bear. You somehow twisted that into "unrealistic".

So, we're just ignoring this:

Jamaaliver wrote:Question: Are you of the opinion that Dennis is, undoubtedly, a max-caliber player?

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MaceCase wrote:How in the world can anyone look at the contracts being handed out over the last two seasons even question whether any rotation player in the NBA is a "max-caliber player"?

If you are of the opinion otherwise then you just can't face reality.

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That's cool.

The Atlanta Hawks did as they had to. Now it’s...time...to determine whether or not Hawk fans will truly be encouraged by what, at this point, feels more “appropriate” than “franchise-altering.”

For now the team appears to have gotten great value in supplying a potentially very good team’s most important starting position at an average of just $17.5 million a year (if incentives are met).

The ongoing quibble, which may not be resolved for years, is if Dennis Schröder is still the right player to act as lead guard on a very good team, at any price. Pen struck to paper won’t immediately dissuade those from dissecting his game in harsh terms.

ATLANTA HAWKS

Dennis Schroder
2013 draft: No. 17 overall
Extension: 4 years, $62 million

Outlook: In his first year as the Hawks’ starting point guard, Schroder’s salary will rank among the top 10 among starting point guards next season.

Earning a flat $15.5 million per season, Schroder can earn an extra $8 million in bonuses if he were to play in an All-Star Game or lead the Hawks to the NBA Finals.

Dennis Schroder, Hawks: 4 years, $70 million

Best recent comparison: Kemba Walker’s 4-year, $48 million extension in 2014

The “worst” deal of this batch is more accurately described as the “most debatable.” In truth, there wasn’t much to get outraged about in this go-around. It should hardly be surprising that Atlanta reached an agreement with Schroder...the Hawks had every reason to anoint Schroder early and get on with the show.


Atlanta has agreed to pay Schroder roughly the same amount, on a proportional basis, that Kemba Walker (4 years, $48 million) received from Charlotte in 2013. He also comes in a little bit under Minnesota’s 2013 deal with Ricky Rubio. It’s worth noting that Schroder scored his new deal with far less starting experience than Walker and far less name recognition and demonstrated defensive impact than Rubio. On the flip side, though, Schroder will enter a more stable environment: he’s playing for a coach and in a system that he knows, and he’s surrounded by proven veterans who make his life fairly easy. At 23, Schroder has the potential to improve significantly during his extension, like Walker, and he’s so far sidestepped the injury issues that have stunted Rubio’s impact. Schroder will need to take meaningful steps forward to deliver great value on these terms, but the Hawks’ overall plan of going younger and 'Moneyballing' their way out of overpaying Teague next summer looks like a good one for now. True validation won’t come, however, until Paul Millsap makes his free agency decision in July.

Jamaaliver wrote:Sports Illustrated ranks all of the rookie extensions given this fall, and places Dennis's contract as the 'worst':

Dennis Schroder, Hawks: 4 years, $70 million

Best recent comparison: Kemba Walker’s 4-year, $48 million extension in 2014

The “worst” deal of this batch is more accurately described as the “most debatable.” In truth, there wasn’t much to get outraged about in this go-around. It should hardly be surprising that Atlanta reached an agreement with Schroder...the Hawks had every reason to anoint Schroder early and get on with the show.


Atlanta has agreed to pay Schroder roughly the same amount, on a proportional basis, that Kemba Walker (4 years, $48 million) received from Charlotte in 2013. He also comes in a little bit under Minnesota’s 2013 deal with Ricky Rubio. It’s worth noting that Schroder scored his new deal with far less starting experience than Walker and far less name recognition and demonstrated defensive impact than Rubio. On the flip side, though, Schroder will enter a more stable environment: he’s playing for a coach and in a system that he knows, and he’s surrounded by proven veterans who make his life fairly easy. At 23, Schroder has the potential to improve significantly during his extension, like Walker, and he’s so far sidestepped the injury issues that have stunted Rubio’s impact. Schroder will need to take meaningful steps forward to deliver great value on these terms, but the Hawks’ overall plan of going younger and 'Moneyballing' their way out of overpaying Teague next summer looks like a good one for now. True validation won’t come, however, until Paul Millsap makes his free agency decision in July.

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