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Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:53 pm
by Jamaaliver
As expected, the Atlanta Hawks are in rebuilding mode under new general manager Travis Schlenk, and the GM himself doesn’t expect that to suddenly change.
“If we’re going to be honest with ourselves, we don’t have that franchise guy,” Schlenk told Sirius XM NBA Radio on Tuesday.
“We’re in a climate in today’s NBA that superstar players can really control where they want to go,” Schlenk said. “So it’s tough to get those guys in free agency. They want to go to a place where they can team up with someone else to try to win a championship. Unfortunately right now, that’s not where we are as an organization.”
“So for us, the best way to get that cornerstone, franchise kind of guy is the draft, and that’s kind of the path we’ve decided to go,” Schlenk said.
Re: Schlenk: Hawks looking to acquire a franchise coernestone in 2018 Draft
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:58 pm
by Jamaaliver
Hard truths. And it's refreshing to hear that honesty.
But I wonder what guys like Taurean, Dennis and Collins are thinking. I wonder what their relationship with Trav is like.
Fromt the same article:
On the bright side, the 2018 draft is expected to be littered with talent — from Arizona center DeAndre Ayton to Duke power forward Marvin Bagley to Slovenian swingman Luka Doncic to many others.
I'm at the point now where I wonder if any of these guys are actual cornerstones. Ayton is the closest. The others...I'm not so sure.
(I really hate that Porter won't get to play any significant time/games in college. I was really looking forward to seeing what he'd do on a bad Missouri team.)
Re: Schlenk: Hawks looking to acquire a franchise coernestone in 2018 Draft
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:10 pm
by graymule
Hawk fans who really follow the team closely know this and agree that, unless they can draft that
special someone, Atlanta will have to do without. No free agent super star player will voluntarily
come here.
Many, many professional sports players love to live in Atlanta. They just don't want to be on any
team here. Good players? Oh, yeah. Super star players? No way!
Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:12 pm
by Jamaaliver
Peach Tree Hoops take:
Travis Schlenk paints frank picture of current roster, rebuilding focus
Travis Schlenk joined SiriusXM NBA Radio on Tuesday and he made some enlightening comments.
"We've seen a lot of growth in Dennis's game this year,” Schlenk said when prompted on starting point guard Dennis Schröder as the team’s current centerpiece. “Hopefully, there's more growth in it. Right now, I think, if we're going to be honest with ourselves right now, we don't have that franchise guy. That's the guy we're looking for.”
Of course, it is not a surprise (or a revelation) from Schlenk to indicate that Atlanta does not currently have a cornerstone talent and that was likely part of the decision to rebuild.
While it would certainly speed up the rebuilding timeline if the Hawks were able to acquire a top-tier piece that is more established than a (very) young rookie through the draft, Schlenk’s comments are realistic through the prism of how difficult that might be.
John Collins has exceeded any rational expectation in year one, Taurean Prince looks the part as a potential long-term starter and, despite his flaws, there is talent and offensive production from Schröder.
With that said, the Hawks absolutely must acquire at least one top-tier talent in order to facilitate this rebuild to a positive conclusion and the 2018 draft class, featuring Luka Doncic, DeAndre Ayton, Marvin Bagley III and others, might be the best chance for the organization to do just that.
Stay Tuned.
Peach Tree HoopsUmmm....Dennis better be renting instead of buying. What's the opposite of an endorsement?
But he correct. No one here is a definite keeper.
Re: Schlenk: Hawks looking to acquire a franchise coernestone in 2018 Draft
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:14 pm
by Jamaaliver
graymule wrote:No free agent super star player will voluntarily come here.
Many, many professional sports players love to live in Atlanta. They just don't want to be on any
team here.
This was the flaw of the Danny Ferry era. He (Ferry) knows more about basketball than I could ever know.
But we know the Hawks. And we know attempting to lure top players to join a bad/mediocre Atlanta team was a short sighted approach.
Re: Schlenk: Hawks looking to acquire a franchise coernestone in 2018 Draft
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:20 pm
by kg01
Interviewed by Jared Greenberg on NBARadio. He's a kg-brand synopsis ...
- One thing he's stunned at having to do now that he's GM ... Putting labels on bottles of wine for staff for holiday party. *mild chuckle*
- How would you describe the start to the "plan" ... Phrase we use is "investing in the future"; made decision to go with our young guys, wanted to get them experience on the court; Sooner we get them in-game experience, the sooner we'll get turned around. Ownership group invested financially and emotionally.
- Which young guy has impressed the most ... Several have shown things, starting with Dennis. Shoots much better than he thought; From outside looking in, always viewed him as only a driver but his shooting ability has impressed from 15-17ft, has a nice pull up; Taurean's ability/effort on D, blocking shots and his ability to shoot from 3, surprised with how well he shoots from deep.; J Collins' ability to produce, rebound and how his effort/energy has translated to NBA, staff keeping things simple for him.
- What is J Collins in 3-5 yrs ... What you'll see is his energy/athleticism but you'll also see the ability to shoot the ball; Starting to see it now in the midrange but he has a good stroke, you'll see him add more of that to his game.
- Keep hearing 12/15 as the start of trades season, based on calls, etc. how much activity do you expect .. The 12/15 date opens doors to several guys on everybody's roster, now able to be traded; CBA also has 1/15 date for guys who received increases now able to be traded. Will see more deals closer to trade deadline date.
- Dennis has stepped up, is he simply a piece of the puzzle or is he a cornerstone ... Right now we've seen growth, hope there is more in it. Honestly, we don't have that franchise guy. Easiest way to get that guy is through draft .... comments from tweet come here.
- Former team is good w/o Steph, maybe they'll get you him ... *chuckle* Said he told Steph we'll be available to him in free agency, not sure why that didn't work to a visit for Atlanta. *chuckle*
- Feedback from others in league on what you've been doing ... Has been positive, people understand, like what we're doing. Fans here in ATL "get it". concern is how long will it take. In MIA took 2 years after drafting Wade; OKC it was 3 consecutive drafts. That'd be great but every situation is different. Have to just make good decisions in draft. Highest pick in GS was Udoh at #6 which didn't work out, so you just have to make good draft decisions.
- 3 ways to acquire players, as you see it, what's the message to fans? What's the most valuable thing (asset) to have ... For us, the high draft pick. Hopefully we'll get a franchise guy there but all phases (free agency, draft, etc.) work together. If you have young talent but no capspace, you're still stuck. Put yourself in position to have resources/assets to acquire talent and you have to have draft assets to make those picks.
- We'll have David Griffin on, want us to thank him for you for that Korver pick ... *chuckle* I wasn't here but having that pick is nice.
- So you're rooting for Lebron to sign elsewhere? .... *haha* I guess so. Everybody else is going West, hope he does too.
Re: Schlenk: Hawks looking to acquire a franchise coernestone in 2018 Draft
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:43 pm
by hawkmanreturns
Jamaaliver wrote:graymule wrote:No free agent super star player will voluntarily come here.
Many, many professional sports players love to live in Atlanta. They just don't want to be on any
team here.
This was the flaw of the Danny Ferry era. He (Ferry) knows more about basketball than I could ever know.
But we know the Hawks. And we know attempting to lure top players to join a bad/mediocre Atlanta team was a short sighted approach.
I agree with this 100%. As much as some may hate this rebuild, this is really the only option we have left. We never attracted big time free agents and we were too in love with our "core" to make any meaningful trades. We were stuck. I'm glad Schlenk gets it. He not only understood that this team was stuck on the treadmill but he also had the guts to blow it up.
Re: Schlenk: Hawks looking to acquire a franchise coernestone in 2018 Draft
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:47 pm
by Jamaaliver
kg01 wrote:Interviewed by Jared Greenberg on NBARadio. He's a kg-brand synopsis ...
- One thing he's stunned at having to do now that he's GM ... Putting labels on bottles of wine for staff for holiday party. *mild chuckle*
TRavis Schlenk...is incredibly goofy.
Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:48 pm
by DarthTater
We should aim to be like OKC. They got their three "superstars"...Hmmm. Why are they so crappy?
Re: Schlenk: Hawks looking to acquire a franchise coernestone in 2018 Draft
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:51 pm
by DarthTater
hawkmanreturns wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:graymule wrote:No free agent super star player will voluntarily come here.
Many, many professional sports players love to live in Atlanta. They just don't want to be on any
team here.
This was the flaw of the Danny Ferry era. He (Ferry) knows more about basketball than I could ever know.
But we know the Hawks. And we know attempting to lure top players to join a bad/mediocre Atlanta team was a short sighted approach.
I agree with this 100%. As much as some may hate this rebuild, this is really the only option we have left. We never attracted big time free agents and we were too in love with our "core" to make any meaningful trades. We were stuck. I'm glad Schlenk gets it. He not only understood that this team was stuck on the treadmill but he also had the guts to blow it up.
Hate to tell you this, but we're stuck on the crappy treadmill now.
Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:55 pm
by Jamaaliver
DarthTater wrote:Hate to tell you this, but we're stuck on the crappy treadmill now.
Nah. Treadmill means 'you're going nowhere fast.'
We fell off the treadmill and are face planted on the concrete trying to regain consciousness.

Which is an improvement?
Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:12 pm
by macd-gm
Former team is good w/o Steph, maybe they'll get you him ... *chuckle* Said he told Steph we'll be available to him in free agency, not sure why that didn't work to a visit for Atlanta. *chuckle*
Hmm. Isn't this the type of statement that has gotten us, and others, in trouble in the past?
Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:29 pm
by Spud2nique
Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:44 pm
by MaceCase
macd-gm wrote: Former team is good w/o Steph, maybe they'll get you him ... *chuckle* Said he told Steph we'll be available to him in free agency, not sure why that didn't work to a visit for Atlanta. *chuckle*
Hmm. Isn't this the type of statement that has gotten us, and others, in trouble in the past?
I believe the semantics of it is that he was in contact with Steph
while he was a free agent. Tampering could only occur if Steph was still under contract but then you'd have to prove that he made those comments beforehand.
As to Schlenk's comments, file them underneath "no duh". You're not blowing up a team that has superstar X in their prime on it.
Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:50 pm
by jayu70
Interesting read from J-liver and Kg01 radio breakdown.
Nothing earth shattering or surprising.
We know that once Millsap was not brought back it was all about the young guys and getting a top pick.
Most Hawks fans know we don't have a franchise cornerstone, guys like Dennis, Taurean and John are guys you build with not around.
If they feel slighted, tough - put your big boy pants on, put the time in in practice and up your game - prove Schlenk wrong.
Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:51 pm
by kg01
MaceCase wrote:macd-gm wrote: Former team is good w/o Steph, maybe they'll get you him ... *chuckle* Said he told Steph we'll be available to him in free agency, not sure why that didn't work to a visit for Atlanta. *chuckle*
Hmm. Isn't this the type of statement that has gotten us, and others, in trouble in the past?
I believe the semantics of it is that he was in contact with Steph
while he was a free agent. Tampering could only occur if Steph was still under contract but then you'd have to prove that he made those comments beforehand.
As to Schlenk's comments, file them underneath "no duh". You're not blowing up a team that has superstar X in their prime on it.
In fairness, he wasn't serious when he made the comment. They were joking around at that point in the interview.
Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:41 am
by Spud2nique
No we don't have a franchise player. We don't have a superstar and we don't have a star really. We haven't really had a superstar since Nique...So..I love Deke, Mookie Smitty, JJ, Alicia, Millsap but it's been since Nique...1994...
We need to draft a star in 2018. We kind of have to...I feel like the guy in the great escape that got his tunnel found for the 17th time and lost it and just tried to climb the barb wire fence and got shot...we need to draft a superstar in the 2018 draft...picks 1-3 is a must.
Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone
Posted: Fri Mar 2, 2018 12:57 pm
by Jamaaliver
Travis sounds like he's looking for
the guy this summer. Which makes me think he focuses in on Ayton, Doncic, Porter or Trae.
Offensive stars who can carry a squad on that end of the floor:
How Hawks GM Travis Schlenk is trying to build franchise in Golden State’s image
Schlenk remains determined to rebuild the Hawks with the same methodical approach that helped turn the Warriors into a championship contender.
“The draft obviously gives you the best chance to get a franchise-changing talent,” Schlenk said. “But there’s luck involved in it as well. There has to be that talent in the draft when you’re down there. Golden State, we obviously built a foundation of that team through the draft.”
The Hawks have plenty of work before building a foundation as sturdy as the Warriors’.
Schlenk said, “There was kind of a slow and gradual decline each year. The question that had to be asked is, ‘Do we go out and try to add a piece to the group of guys to get us back on the upswing? Or do we hit the reset button?’ ”
Choosing the latter option maximizes the Hawks’ odds in the NBA draft lottery, frees up cap space for free agency and gives young players opportunities to accelerate their development.
“We just have to make good decisions,” Schlenk said. “We’ll be on the way toward laying the foundation of hopefully what will be a quick turnaround for us.”
Mercury News
Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone
Posted: Fri Mar 2, 2018 3:00 pm
by D21
Jamaaliver wrote:“We’ll be on the way toward laying the foundation of hopefully what will be a quick turnaround for us.”
Mercury NewsIf he wants a quick turnaround, better maximize your chances of getting the Top pick. I don't see the point to be the worst team for 60 games and then letting 6 teams have more chances to get the Top pick.
I hope they will loose as much as possible for the rest of the season, or it will need to be explain.
Actually, I see two points, one a bit serious and the other... :
- lower salary so more cap room with a 6th pick than a 1st
- Shlenck is high and think he enters a mystical world with the draft and is sure he can get the best players to build a team at 6th or lower, because that's what happen with Curry then Thompson

IMO, it's better to be in a 3rd pick and have to choose between Harden and Curry, than being 7th and hoping than at least one will slide to 7th
Re: Schlenk: Hawks still seeking franchise cornerstone
Posted: Fri Mar 2, 2018 3:42 pm
by Jamaaliver
D21 wrote:If he wants a quick turnaround, better maximize your chances of getting the Top pick. I don't see the point to be the worst team for 60 games and then letting 6 teams have more chances to get the Top pick.
Travis has done everything he can as GM to make this roster terrible. Filling it with sub par talent with little to no experience.
If you want to thank (blame?) someone for the team overachieving -- look no further than Michael Aloysius Budenholzer.