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2 Questions.
1.) Would you want to build around him?
2.) Would 3 first rounders: 3, 18, and 30 get it done?

davefmcl wrote:2 Questions.
1.) Would you want to build around him?
2.) Would 3 first rounders: 3, 18, and 30 get it done?

We own picks 3, 19 and 30 so we couldn’t help you out..



Nah it wouldn’t. We want our shiny new toy this year. No KAT for us.

davefmcl wrote:2 Questions.
1.) Would you want to build around him?
2.) Would 3 first rounders: 3, 18, and 30 get it done?

I'd only take him for 1 1st. Even then I'd be hesitant considering the composition of our team.

He's certainly not worth 3 1sts.

kg01 wrote:

davefmcl wrote:2 Questions.
1.) Would you want to build around him?
2.) Would 3 first rounders: 3, 18, and 30 get it done?

I'd only take him for 1 1st. Even then I'd be hesitant considering the composition of our team.

He's certainly not worth 3 1sts.

I know I’m being picky here but KAT looks like a fat kid who lost weight and now is trying to shuffle his feet to play defense well and it’s not working. I’m not saying he’s not good, but KAT fell some in my eyes this year.

Spud2nique wrote:

kg01 wrote:

davefmcl wrote:2 Questions.
1.) Would you want to build around him?
2.) Would 3 first rounders: 3, 18, and 30 get it done?

I'd only take him for 1 1st. Even then I'd be hesitant considering the composition of our team.

He's certainly not worth 3 1sts.

I know I’m being picky here but KAT looks like a fat kid who lost weight and now is trying to shuffle his feet to play defense well and it’s not working. I’m not saying he’s not good, but KAT fell some in my eyes this year.

He does look clumsy on D. I think that's what you're describing. This was his best year though. Shows he's capable of improving. Not sure why it took so long - which is my issue with him. Like, what were you waiting for to start trying on defense?

davefmcl wrote:2 Questions.
1.) Would you want to build around him?
2.) Would 3 first rounders: 3, 18, and 30 get it done?

1. Perhaps
2. Possibly.


Ultimately, we'd be lucky if the guy we get at #3 is as talented as Towns. Depending on the financials of the trade, we could be looking at some solid cap space coming being left over to attract talent in a buyer's market.

It's definitely something to consider. I'd probably do it for #3 and #19...if Minny insisted on #30 as well, I couldn't reasonably let such a middling asset be a breaking point.

Towns
Collins
Prince

may not be the core of a championship team yet...but it's a pretty good starting point.

kg01 wrote:

Spud2nique wrote:

kg01 wrote:
I'd only take him for 1 1st. Even then I'd be hesitant considering the composition of our team.

He's certainly not worth 3 1sts.

I know I’m being picky here but KAT looks like a fat kid who lost weight and now is trying to shuffle his feet to play defense well and it’s not working. I’m not saying he’s not good, but KAT fell some in my eyes this year.

He does look clumsy on D. I think that's what you're describing. This was his best year though. Shows he's capable of improving. Not sure why it took so long - which is my issue with him. Like, what were you waiting for to start trying on defense?

He was waiting for someone like Jimmy Butler who doesn’t put up with no nonsense bs to get in his butt.

Jamaaliver wrote:

davefmcl wrote:2 Questions.
1.) Would you want to build around him?
2.) Would 3 first rounders: 3, 18, and 30 get it done?

1. Perhaps
2. Possibly.


Ultimately, we'd be lucky if the guy we get at #3 is as talented as Towns. Depending on the financials of the trade, we could be looking at some solid cap space coming being left over to attract talent in a buyer's market.

It's definitely something to consider. I'd probably do it for #3 and #19...if Minny insisted on #30 as well, I couldn't reasonably let such a middling asset be a breaking point.

Towns
Collins
Prince

may not be the core of a championship team yet...but it's a pretty good starting point.

... stahhhp.

Any plan for the Atlanta Hawks cannot take "capspace" or "free agency" into account. Anyone who's paying attention has to know we do not attract free agents.

If we executed a trade that lopsided (player-picks), that's not team-building. That's stat-building for Towns. He'd basically get every stat he wanted get all-star invites but would win absolutely nothing. That's not where we need to be.

We accept your apology in advance for entertaining this, @jamally

kg01 wrote:...stahhhp.

Any plan for the Atlanta Hawks cannot take "capspace" or "free agency" into account. Anyone who's paying attention has to know we do not attract free agents.

If we executed a trade that lopsided (player-picks), that's not team-building. That's stat-building for Towns. He'd basically get every stat he wanted get all-star invites but would win absolutely nothing. That's not where we need to be.

We accept your apology in advance for entertaining this, @jamally

I simply disagree. While I would be hesitant to go after FAs in their prime like PG13, pursuing some younger FA options (Aaron Gordon?) to pair with Towns could be attractive. We might even convince Dedmon to stick around in a bigger role on a more competitive team.

Towns is around the same age/caliber as Giannis, Porzingis, Embiid. I see no reason why a KAT-led team in the East can't jockey among those emerging squads.

And at worst, we pad KAT's stats, make a few playoff appearances and then trade him in his prime for assets.


NOTE: KAT > Jaren Jackson Jr and Khyri Thomas

KAT is already due an extention, what if he doesn't sign it because he's not interested in another rebuilding effort?

Like I said before, we tanked and suffered through this year to draft our guy, let's be patient and do that. Don't rush the rebuild.

That's a move you make when you've already had 2 top 10 draft picks in your rebuild.

KAT is already due an extention, what if he doesn't sign it because he's not interested in another rebuilding effort?

That's a very fair question. Those are the kind of details the agent will work out with any front office that considers trading for him.

We wouldn't make the move, and KAT wouldn't approve of the trade without already working out those kinks ahead of time.

I say 'yes'

Towns, Dennis, and Collins are good enough to be #8 in 2019 and #4 in 2020

jayu70 wrote:KAT is already due an extention, what if he doesn't sign it because he's not interested in another rebuilding effort?

Like I said before, we tanked and suffered through this year to draft our guy, let's be patient and do that. Don't rush the rebuild.

That's a move you make when you've already had 2 top 10 draft picks in your rebuild.

KAT is a rare breed of player. He has already proven that, and I would be on the fence on trading for a pick for him a high since he is a sure thing..but youre right his rookie contract is almost up. So b/c of that ill pass..Plus, Thibs is a defensive specialist and great at player development. If he cant get KAT to be better at defense (he is not bad by the way imo, but I see what yall mean) then I think its better to just let him go somewhere else.

The extension isn't an issue because KAT is a RFA, the absolute worst case scenario you're looking at having him signed as a Hawk for a minimum of 4 seasons. If you want to delve into fantasy land, then maybe you look at him taking the QO as a "possibility" and he spends only 2 seasons.

However, pursuing any star at this juncture isn't prudent given that the Hawks cupboard is pretty bare in terms of having any second bananas to play off of KAT. So unless Plumlee, Dennis, or Baze are being dumped in the deal and Schlenk can realistically see a means of securing a second star I'd hold off on making a deal for KAT for now.

Minnesota has already made their bed with Wiggins and will likely have to look at giving Butler a new deal in the same summer that KAT's new deal is set. It would be a more advantageous situation for the Hawks to swoop in with a RFA offer then, having two lotto picks already in tow.

MaceCase wrote:The extension isn't an issue because KAT is a RFA, the absolute worst case scenario you're looking at having him signed as a Hawk for a minimum of 4 seasons. If you want to delve into fantasy land, then maybe you look at him taking the QO as a "possibility" and he spends only 2 seasons.

However, pursuing any star at this juncture isn't prudent given that the Hawks cupboard is pretty bare in terms of having any second bananas to play off of KAT. So unless Plumlee, Dennis, or Baze are being dumped in the deal and Schlenk can realistically see a means of securing a second star I'd hold off on making a deal for KAT for now.

Minnesota has already made their bed with Wiggins and will likely have to look at giving Butler a new deal in the same summer that KAT's new deal is set. It would be a more advantageous situation for the Hawks to swoop in with a RFA offer then, having two lotto picks already in tow.

That is something I'll be interested in doing. We're just not ready for KAT.

MaceCase wrote:The extension isn't an issue because KAT is a RFA, the absolute worst case scenario you're looking at having him signed as a Hawk for a minimum of 4 seasons. If you want to delve into fantasy land, then maybe you look at him taking the QO as a "possibility" and he spends only 2 seasons.

However, pursuing any star at this juncture isn't prudent given that the Hawks cupboard is pretty bare in terms of having any second bananas to play off of KAT. So unless Plumlee, Dennis, or Baze are being dumped in the deal and Schlenk can realistically see a means of securing a second star I'd hold off on making a deal for KAT for now.

Minnesota has already made their bed with Wiggins and will likely have to look at giving Butler a new deal in the same summer that KAT's new deal is set. It would be a more advantageous situation for the Hawks to swoop in with a RFA offer then, having two lotto picks already in tow.

I like the idea of keeping Prince and Collins to go along with Kat. If Schroder comes to play there is no way we are in the lottery again. If he barfs once again, we will need a PG to guide the team.

This Kat development is interesting for any team that has young players and picks. If Minny really wants to move him, I can see quite a few teams in play by draft night.

I'd do it if we can get them to take on Plumlee. Then use our abundant capspace to build a competitive core around him. KAT is the type of prize you want out of one of these high picks, I'd love to have that prize assured.