If Hawks select Luka, what types of players should play with him?

Post #1 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:04 pm

Any preferences or ideas for what kind of guys best complement Wonder boy?

Athletic combo guards who can share ball handling duties?
Defensive big men who can shore up any shortcomings on that side of the ball?
3 & D wings who can switch with ease and stretch the floor for Luka?
Perimeter scorers in general to prevent defenders from keying on playmaker?

Post #2 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:04 pm

From the draft: I say Lonnie Walker IV, Elie Okobo, Khyri Thomas, Melvin Frazier, Omari Spellman would all be useful pieces.

on the roster: Taurean and Bazemore will be effective pieces in protecting this kid.

NOTE: I still think we'll need alpha scorers from next season's draft.

~Wretch~ · Post #3 » by **~Wretch~** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:17 pm

Man... I hope Sacramento isn't just bs'ing and he does drop. But if we get him, I'd like to see some shooters around him.

I know I'm dreaming, but if we could select him at 3 and if young falls and we trade up for him... That'd be fun to watch.

Post #4 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:18 pm

Mitchell Robinson is supposed to be a strong rebounding/shot blocking/rim running option available in the 20s. He might be a strong option to consider.

But I'd aim for strong perimeter defenders who can effectively stretch the floor or create their own offense.

We need Luka to hit the ground running.

Lonnie Walker is the closest this draft offers to Jaylen Brown...let's pick him up.

juanc · Post #5 » by **juanc** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:21 pm

A center that sets good screen and is good on D(ala Capela)
Then good defensive wing/s that can shoot the ball(ala Mikal Bridges)
A stretch 4

Let's say

Capela
stretch 4
Mikal
Luka

Post #6 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:36 pm

Jerome Robinson would be a solid selection to pair with Doncic.

He can't defend to save his life, but he can handle the ball, make plays for others and shoot lights out in the mid range and from deep.

Offensively, they could make a solid duo for a decade.

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atlantabbq99 · Post #7 » by **atlantabbq99** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:43 pm

Shooters.

I still like Budz system, a perimeter play maker and shooters all around him. Luka could be a rich man's Manu

Luka and Wendell Carter would just be too perfect together.

Post #8 » by **ATL Boy** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:23 pm

This feels like such a jinx thread :nonono:

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J_T · Post #9 » by **J_T** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:44 pm

There isn't just one type of players that fit well with Doncic. Mobile versatile combo guards that can defend 1-2 are definitely a good option... well for any team. Doncic's team must have mobile bigs that are able to run and can play P&R well. Otherwise it's a waste of talent. I'd say that Hawks have a great fit for Doncic in Collins and Prince is a good fit as well. If you drafted Doncic, however, Schroeder needs to go. There is no way I can imagine those two playing together.

Spud2nique · Post #10 » by **Spud2nique** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:25 pm

Did you put perimeter scorers like Aaron Gordon? Were you trying to be cute or? I don’t get how Gordon is a perimeter scorer...

Spud2nique · Post #11 » by **Spud2nique** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:28 pm

If we get Doncic and pair him with Mikal...I get both of my initial boys as Hawks..that would be downright scary. I’d go buy a lotto ticket for sure. Or go try to get on Brad’s next broadcast...

NOOOOOOOTTTT!

atlantabbq99 · Post #12 » by **atlantabbq99** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:33 pm

I'm a big fan of Mikal Bridges but Doncic needs a Khyri Thomas or Billups type of player to help him out in the back court.

Spud2nique · Post #13 » by **Spud2nique** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:37 pm

Love Bruce Brown! Love love love with Doncic. Bruce Brown is going to be a second round that sticks! Book it!

Post #14 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:47 pm

Bruce Brown and/or Khyri would be perfect fits next to Luka.

NOTE: Because of Khyri's limited playmaking ability...Bruce Brown might be closer to Chauncey's skill set.

Khyri Thomas is just a stronger Avery Bradley.

Perimeter players to consider as a sidekick to Luka:

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Spud2nique · Post #15 » by **Spud2nique** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:09 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Bruce Brown and/or Khyri would be perfect fits next to Luka.

NOTE: Because of Khyri's limited playmaking ability...Bruce Brown might be closer to Chauncey's skill set.

Khyri Thomas is just a stronger Avery Bradley.

Perimeter players to consider as a sidekick to Luka:

Spoiler:
Khyri Thomas (Creighton, SG, Junior)

Thomas needs to land on a team with which he can play to his strengths as a spot-up shooter, transition weapon and perimeter defender. He's undersized (6'4", 199 lbs) for an off-guard who doesn't create and struggles in pick-and-roll situations.

Jacob Evans (Cincinnati, SG/SF, Junior)

His stats weren't overwhelming, but the NBA scouting microscope sees a fit with Evans' shooting, secondary playmaking and defensive versatility. He doesn't specialize in any area, though. Instead, he'll give teams a little of everything at both ends while playing tough, two-way ball.

Elie Okobo (France, PG, 1997)

Okobo doesn't wow with explosiveness. Instead, he buries defenses as a shot-maker from the second and third levels, and he uses ball screens to create scoring chances, both for himself and teammates.

Josh Okogie (Georgia Tech, SG, Sophomore)

An athletic scorer and improving shooter (.453 from the field last season), Okogie changed minds at the combine while punishing defenses during scrimmages. He also has a chance to be a plus defender thanks to his quickness and unique length (7'0" wingspan).

Aaron Holiday (UCLA, PG, Junior)

Though he turns 22 years old in September, Holiday could sneak into the teens. He's generated interest with his consistent three-point shooting (.422 career), improved playmaking and defensive toughness.

Donte DiVincenzo (Villanova, SG, Sophomore)

Give him a role that plays to his strengths, and DiVincenzo can contribute right away as a secondary playmaker, shot-maker and pesky defender. He's a high-floor, low-ceiling prospect who'll impact games with his athleticism, versatility and energy.

I love them all except for Okobo and Okogie...they sound like busts specially the latter..out before kg..

reazun · Post #16 » by **reazun** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:01 pm

yall help me out with Luka.. Im not sold on him. not over JJJ and Bagley

He is not athletic or quick enough to guard most NBA pgs. He would have to probably play mostly as a wing type player. But most of his value comes with his instinct/court vision, which he will not use as much in the NBA since he wont be running the offense as much since he is not quick or athletic enough to play as a pure pg in the league.

He is a versatile scorer, but has issues when he is guarded by athletic teams..which all of the NBA will be. He is not a great 3 point shooter either.

Im sorry, but this guy has bust written all over him...please explain to me why I am wrong?

Yes the ACB is a league of great professionals and they play hard smart basketball. But the level of athleticsm and pace is sutied to Doncic's the NBA is not.

Archx · Post #17 » by **Archx** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:11 pm

reazun wrote:yall help me out with Luka.. Im not sold on him. not over JJJ and Bagley

He is not athletic or quick enough to guard most NBA pgs. He would have to probably play mostly as a wing type player. But most of his value comes with his instinct/court vision, which he will not use as much in the NBA since he wont be running the offense as much since he is not quick or athletic enough to play as a pure pg in the league.

He is a versatile scorer, but has issues when he is guarded by athletic teams..which all of the NBA will be. He is not a great 3 point shooter either.

Im sorry, but this guy has bust written all over him...please explain to me why I am wrong?

Yes the ACB is a league of great professionals and they play hard smart basketball. But the level of athleticsm and pace is sutied to Doncic's the NBA is not.

Well the fact that 90% of what you have written is simply wrong, i am not sure how someone could explain to you better or even convince you into something you don't believe is possible to begin with.

So many things have been said about Luka in the past month in various topics/threads... You have many videos on Y'tube. Also yesterday his P3 trainer explained with video presentation how Luka is well above average athletically. It's not hard to find material from him

kg01 · Post #18 » by **kg01** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:15 pm

Spud2nique wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Bruce Brown and/or Khyri would be perfect fits next to Luka.

NOTE: Because of Khyri's limited playmaking ability...Bruce Brown might be closer to Chauncey's skill set.

Khyri Thomas is just a stronger Avery Bradley.

Perimeter players to consider as a sidekick to Luka:

Spoiler:
Khyri Thomas (Creighton, SG, Junior)

Thomas needs to land on a team with which he can play to his strengths as a spot-up shooter, transition weapon and perimeter defender. He's undersized (6'4", 199 lbs) for an off-guard who doesn't create and struggles in pick-and-roll situations.

Jacob Evans (Cincinnati, SG/SF, Junior)

His stats weren't overwhelming, but the NBA scouting microscope sees a fit with Evans' shooting, secondary playmaking and defensive versatility. He doesn't specialize in any area, though. Instead, he'll give teams a little of everything at both ends while playing tough, two-way ball.

Elie Okobo (France, PG, 1997)

Okobo doesn't wow with explosiveness. Instead, he buries defenses as a shot-maker from the second and third levels, and he uses ball screens to create scoring chances, both for himself and teammates.

Josh Okogie (Georgia Tech, SG, Sophomore)

An athletic scorer and improving shooter (.453 from the field last season), Okogie changed minds at the combine while punishing defenses during scrimmages. He also has a chance to be a plus defender thanks to his quickness and unique length (7'0" wingspan).

Aaron Holiday (UCLA, PG, Junior)

Though he turns 22 years old in September, Holiday could sneak into the teens. He's generated interest with his consistent three-point shooting (.422 career), improved playmaking and defensive toughness.

Donte DiVincenzo (Villanova, SG, Sophomore)

Give him a role that plays to his strengths, and DiVincenzo can contribute right away as a secondary playmaker, shot-maker and pesky defender. He's a high-floor, low-ceiling prospect who'll impact games with his athleticism, versatility and energy.

I love them all except for Okobo and Okogie...they sound like busts specially the latter..out before kg..

Aye spud, can you get in this hole I just dug in the ground? Just tell me what's at the bottom of it. Don't mind me, I'm just shoveling dirt in your general direction.

Post #19 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:37 pm

reazun wrote:yall help me out with Luka.. Im not sold on him. not over JJJ and Bagley

He is not athletic or quick enough to guard most NBA pgs.

He is a versatile scorer, but has issues when he is guarded by athletic teams..which all of the NBA will be. He is not a great 3 point shooter either.

Im sorry, but this guy has bust written all over him...please explain to me why I am wrong?

First of all, I think it's important to address the elephant in the room. Not only is there a bias against Euro players -- there's long been a bias in this country against white players and their perceived inability to keep up with black NBA players.

Occasionally, we'll see guys with high BBall IQs and amazing shooting skills make a niche in the league. (Redick, Korver, Dirk) But the larger concern is that the slow white guy can't play against bigger, stronger black players. Am I far off?

Specific to Doncic, some of those concerns are valid. If this was one-on-one or 2-on-2, he'd be demolished.

But on a court with other high level teammates with high IQ, he's consistently stood out for his ability in the full court to find shooters on the wing. His ability in the half court to use screens (and that superior size) to create space to shoot and pass.

His reasonable comps based on size, athleticism and background are Gordon Hayward and Manu Ginobili. Both are All Stars (Manu might even be a HOFer)

At age 19, Doncic is more proven, more experienced, more highly regarded than either. He's been successful at every level for years now and recognized as the best player also.

He's played against former NBA players and done well. He's played against former NBA players and struggled. He'll need teammates to help. He ain't Lebron. But he's not Jan Vesely either.

Size, passing, experience, vision, ball handling, rebounding out of the SG/SF spot are really enticing. We'll need to embrace a style of play that emphasizes his strength, but the kid is a winner.

NOTE: One of the other board members dug up some video of Luka in a exhibition game against OKC two years ago. It helped me get past some of the athleticism concerns seeing him hold his own.

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reazun · Post #20 » by **reazun** » Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:47 pm

Archx wrote:
reazun wrote:yall help me out with Luka.. Im not sold on him. not over JJJ and Bagley

He is not athletic or quick enough to guard most NBA pgs. He would have to probably play mostly as a wing type player. But most of his value comes with his instinct/court vision, which he will not use as much in the NBA since he wont be running the offense as much since he is not quick or athletic enough to play as a pure pg in the league.

He is a versatile scorer, but has issues when he is guarded by athletic teams..which all of the NBA will be. He is not a great 3 point shooter either.

Im sorry, but this guy has bust written all over him...please explain to me why I am wrong?

Yes the ACB is a league of great professionals and they play hard smart basketball. But the level of athleticsm and pace is sutied to Doncic's the NBA is not.

Well the fact that 90% of what you have written is simply wrong, i am not sure how someone could explain to you better or even convince you into something you don't believe is possible to begin with.

So many things have been said about Luka in the past month in various topics/threads... You have many videos on Y'tube. Also yesterday his P3 trainer explained with video presentation how Luka is well above average athletically. It's not hard to find material from him

no you can completely change my mind...I am asking you to change my mind in case I am missing something. I am usually a pretty optimistic person. I have looked into Luka.

https://www.si.com/nba/2018/06/18/luka-doncic-nba-draft-2018-scouting-report-highlights-strengths-mock-draft
Weaknesses

• Athletic ability has come into question. Quick enough off the floor and can elevate for dunks, but relies on his size and change of speeds to get into the paint and finish. Will face an adjustment to the speed of the NBA game.

• Not an elite creator for himself off the dribble. Relies on using his body to shield the ball and change direction. Quicker defenders can get into him and make him uncomfortable. Can be forced into settling for his jumper in isolation situations.

• Shooting just 30% from three-point range this season. Ball looks good coming out of his hand – higher degree of difficulty shots may factor in. Stands to benefit from more open, set looks when placed alongside other playmakers.

• Big and strong enough to stay on the floor defensively, but may have difficulty defending elite athletes on the wing.

NBA Draft.net

Weaknesses: His biggest flaw is his lack of quickness and lateral speed, which affects his effectiveness in 1 on 1 defense against more explosive opponents ... Furthermore this also limits his offensive effectiveness in ISO situations when he has to rely on his body control and fakes to create the space for the shot or to draw contact ... He also needs to work on shot consistency, especially his mechanics and foot positioning ... Sometimes he lacks the killer instinct when facing weaker opponents ...

CJ McCollum's brother plays against him in Euroleague (the article mentioned others that played against him ALL of them I think mentioned he is NOT athletic) https://uproxx.com/dimemag/luka-doncic-2018-nba-draft-scouting-report-euroleague-strengths-weaknesses/3/

I think he will have a good rookie year. I’d guess 12-14 points, four rebounds, and four assists per game. He can do a little of everything. He can’t play point guard in the league because he’s not athletic enough, he’s a wing. His pick-and-roll ability, pace, change of speed, high IQ and size will be excellent for the league. Obviously, he was playing against professionals, so this is better competition than summer league and all those things. He’s ready, I just wouldn’t say he’s Dirk, Pau or Marc like they are trying to say. It’s easier for euro bigs to adjust (to the NBA) than guards. It’s just easier overseas because if you’re 6’6-6’8 and you can dribble, shoot, play iso, and play pick-and-roll (like he can) you’re already in the NBA. So there aren’t a lot of teams that can matchup with his size in Europe. I’ve seen what happens to him when he goes against players his height or close-to who are athletic. He struggles mightily. Go check the film in Panathinaikos series. He was struggling to create space, to get the team in the offense comfortably, and to create shots, and get by guys. Granted Panathinaikos is the most athletic team in Euroleague, but that’s kind of athleticism he will see in NBA.

Im not sure what you are saying..I have not found one single article on Luka that does not say he lacks athleticism and it could translate badly into the NBA. If you want I am sure I can fine more. This is just the first three articles from a simple google search.

What type of player is best suited to play next to Luka?