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Post#41 » by steady » Sun Jul 29, 2018 4:13 am

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-spellman-welcomes-his-responsibility/

Spellman embracing his role as junkyard dog, talks about what Collins has taught him, and how he plays with passion because that is only way he knows to have fun playing
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Post#42 » by ChokeFasncists » Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:09 am

steady wrote:http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-spellman-welcomes-his-responsibility/

Spellman embracing his role as junkyard dog, talks about what Collins has taught him, and how he plays with passion because that is only way he knows to have fun playing

How good a passer is he?

Is he more Draymond or PJ?
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Post#43 » by TinmanZBoy » Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:41 pm

jayu70 wrote:Who is Huerter's NBA comp (not Klay)?


shoot like steve novak
but he is more agile and athletic than Novak, a little bit Kevin Martin in him too
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Post#44 » by ChokeFasncists » Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:33 pm

Huerter looks pretty close to Korver, similar stats in first two years in college.

He is probably more versatile, being able to create off the dribble but not sure if it translates in the NBA.

If it does, he could be a poor man's KD.

Or he could be a shorter Bertans.

At 6-7, not particularly fast, it would probably be better for him to get some muscles and play more SF.

With Prince there, I can see him being some kinda super sub. And maybe some point forward if Lin is gone or not well.
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Post#45 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Aug 14, 2018 12:58 pm

This kid is all substance and no style.

And I think he'll be an underrated but highly coveted player for most of his career.

NBA Rookies Who Could Be Next Season's Donovan Mitchell

Kevin Huerter, Atlanta Hawks

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Kevin Huerter is a three-point assassin. Between his 138 threes at a 39.4 percent clip over two seasons at Maryland and absurd marksmanship at the combine, he effectively shot his way into the Association.

While a number of sharpshooters have passed through the NBA, Huerter is most commonly likened to Klay Thompson. Maybe that's due to both standing 6'7", or Thompson getting as much buzz as any modern sniping specialist. The fact Atlanta Hawks general manager Travis Schlenk came from Golden State and seems to be building a knockoff Splash Bros. with Huerter and Trae Young only deepens the link.

Huerter isn't Thompson—the former might be more advanced at his age. Huerter hit loftier season highs in field-goal percentage (50.3 to 43.6), three-point percentage (41.7 to 41.2) and true shooting percentage (64.0 to 57.4) even though Thompson's college career lasted a year longer. Huerter also leaves school as a better playmaker (career 3.0 assists to 2.6) with tighter handles and superior vision.

"He can put the ball on the floor and create for others," Schlenk said of Huerter, per Tim Bontemps of the Washington Post. "He can make shots, but also dribble and pass, which makes you harder to defend and what we're trying to build."

Huerter arrives in Atlanta with fewer obstacles than Thompson encountered in Golden State. While Thompson was trapped behind then-leading scorer Monta Ellis, Huerter is listed behind only Kent Bazemore, a player whose name keeps buzzing in trade talks. Thompson, a fellow non-top-10 pick, made the All-Rookie first team in 2011-12, meaning it'd be fair for Huerter to aim even higher.
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Post#46 » by macd-gm » Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:18 pm

I can't wait to see Huerter play. Reading the write ups make you wonder why there wasn't more buzz around him. I think i read where he wasn't even sure he was going to get drafted. I guess his weakness is athleticism? 6'7" sharpshooters with handles usually do well in the nba...or anywhere.
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Post#47 » by Roy Tarpley » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:14 pm

Before we go crazy on Huerter, let's look at his college stats compared to other NBA players.

Kevin Huerter 6'7" 190: 12/5/3/1/1 on 47/39/75 (college stats)
Nik Stauskas 6'6" 205: 14/3/2/0/0 on 47/44/83 (college stats)
Joe Harris 6'6" 225: 13/4/2/1/0 on 45/41/72 (college stats)
Doug McDermott 6'8" 225: 22/8/1/0/0 on 55/46/83 (college stats)
Mike Miller 6'8" 218: 13/6/2/1/0 on 48/35/72 (college stats)

The immediate red flags are that (1) Huerter's FT% isn't great, which is a flaw for a sharpshooter. But he should be able to improve upon that; (2) he's scrawny for a 6'7" dude. His 39% 3pt is solid, but compared to people like Stauskas or McDermott, nothing fancy either.

Stauskas is a bust. Harris has improved tremendously due to his ability to play tough defense and finish his drives. McDermott has also become a solid role player. And of course, Miller was a solid starter/role player as well and over a long career.

Given these comps, I think Huerter has a bright future ahead of him.
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Post#48 » by jayu70 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:27 pm

macd-gm wrote:I can't wait to see Huerter play. Reading the write ups make you wonder why there wasn't more buzz around him. I think i read where he wasn't even sure he was going to get drafted. I guess his weakness is athleticism? 6'7" sharpshooters with handles usually do well in the nba...or anywhere.
IIRC, he wasn't intending to atay in draft, just testing the waters, but had a great showing in the combine that kinda forced him.to stay.
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Post#49 » by kg01 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:32 pm

Roy Tarpley wrote:Before we go crazy on Huerter, let's look at his college stats compared to other NBA players.

Kevin Huerter 6'7" 190: 12/5/3/1/1 on 47/39/75 (college stats)
Nik Stauskas 6'6" 205: 14/3/2/0/0 on 47/44/83 (college stats)
Joe Harris 6'6" 225: 13/4/2/1/0 on 45/41/72 (college stats)
Doug McDermott 6'8" 225: 22/8/1/0/0 on 55/46/83 (college stats)
Mike Miller 6'8" 218: 13/6/2/1/0 on 48/35/72 (college stats)

The immediate red flags are that (1) Huerter's FT% isn't great, which is a flaw for a sharpshooter. But he should be able to improve upon that; (2) he's scrawny for a 6'7" dude. His 39% 3pt is solid, but compared to people like Stauskas or McDermott, nothing fancy either.

Stauskas is a bust. Harris has improved tremendously due to his ability to play tough defense and finish his drives. McDermott has also become a solid role player. And of course, Miller was a solid starter/role player as well and over a long career.

Given these comps, I think Huerter has a bright future ahead of him.


I love Nik Stauskas. One of our longtime posters touted that guy for years. Literally years he was begging for the Hawks to pick him up. We kept telling him the guy was an unmitigated failure but he held on til the bitter end.

Also, you should throw a guy like Anthony Morrow or even Caldwell-Pope in your analysis. I don't think it was intentional but there's a bit of a theme going on. :lol:
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Post#50 » by macd-gm » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:47 pm

Huerter looks like a guy who could dominate euroleague.

I'm kidding <runs and hides>.
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Post#51 » by Roy Tarpley » Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:42 pm

kg01 wrote:
Roy Tarpley wrote:Before we go crazy on Huerter, let's look at his college stats compared to other NBA players.

Kevin Huerter 6'7" 190: 12/5/3/1/1 on 47/39/75 (college stats)
Nik Stauskas 6'6" 205: 14/3/2/0/0 on 47/44/83 (college stats)
Joe Harris 6'6" 225: 13/4/2/1/0 on 45/41/72 (college stats)
Doug McDermott 6'8" 225: 22/8/1/0/0 on 55/46/83 (college stats)
Mike Miller 6'8" 218: 13/6/2/1/0 on 48/35/72 (college stats)

The immediate red flags are that (1) Huerter's FT% isn't great, which is a flaw for a sharpshooter. But he should be able to improve upon that; (2) he's scrawny for a 6'7" dude. His 39% 3pt is solid, but compared to people like Stauskas or McDermott, nothing fancy either.

Stauskas is a bust. Harris has improved tremendously due to his ability to play tough defense and finish his drives. McDermott has also become a solid role player. And of course, Miller was a solid starter/role player as well and over a long career.

Given these comps, I think Huerter has a bright future ahead of him.


I love Nik Stauskas. One of our longtime posters touted that guy for years. Literally years he was begging for the Hawks to pick him up. We kept telling him the guy was an unmitigated failure but he held on til the bitter end.

Also, you should throw a guy like Anthony Morrow or even Caldwell-Pope in your analysis. I don't think it was intentional but there's a bit of a theme going on. :lol:


Sorry, the theme was intentional. It's easier to compare the white dudes because it's easier to remember them. I'm sure there's tons of black dudes who fit the profile but it's harder to come up with them off the top of my head. Caldwell-Pope doesn't fit since he also has the defensive side, and he wasn't a great 3pt shooter. Morrow might be a good fit, though I wanted taller 6'6"+ players who can play the SF.
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Post#52 » by kg01 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:48 pm

macd-gm wrote:Huerter looks like a guy who could dominate euroleague.

I'm kidding <runs and hides>.


Haha. Hey, I saw a couple dudes smokin loosies outside the gym who look like they could dominate euroleague.

Totally kidding .... hey, macd wait fer meeeee {runs/hides}
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Post#53 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:03 pm

Final Scouting reports on these guys before they became Hawks:

32. Omari Spellman

Spellman shot the ball extremely well from 3-point range during his lone season at Villanova, but it’s difficult to expect that to continue with his 70 percent mark from the free throw line. Even so, he should be an above-average shooter at the 5 in the NBA, where he’ll also be a nice passer with some pop and length around the rim on defense and a little bit of ability to move his feet on the perimeter. I struggle to see him being much of a positive on defense given his average quickness and lack of size as a rim protector, but with his length and shot-blocking instincts, it’s possible. If he shoots well from 3, he’ll be a valuable offensive piece, but there’s not a lot for him to fall back on besides that. I like his dribbling and passing ability on the move, but he needs the threat of his shot to unlock both of those. He has some upside if everything goes right, as he could be a low-end starter or high-end backup with his theoretical two-way ability. However, he’s already almost 21 and has had conditioning issues in the past, so if the shot goes south and he can’t defend in the NBA, his floor is pretty low.



11. Kevin Huerter

I went in-depth on why I like Huerter in a draft profile I recently wrote for him. I don’t see Klay Thompson upside like some do, mainly because Huerter lacks the same sort of frame and length that make Thompson so much more than a 3-point shooter, but I am a huge fan of his handle, passing ability, and quick feet. He’s never going to be a star creator type due to his athletic limitations, but he has as much off-ball upside as any player in this draft thanks to his ability to shoot off movement, cut, and provide gravitational shooting whenever left open. His shooting at his size should be worth a first-rounder on its own, but it is the rest of his game that catapults him to right outside the top-10 on my board. Huerter also has yet to turn 20, giving him a lot of time to continue to tighten his dribble and work on his body. The only reason I’m worried about having him this high is his unusually low free-throw percentage, though his shooting mechanics, results, and general touch (he was an excellent finisher around the rim at Maryland despite lacking high-level explosiveness, length, or strength) make me confident that his jumper will translate.



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3. Trae Young

He’s got a path toward being a top-10 offensive player in the NBA, something that is basically impossible to find outside the top 5 in the draft. His production at Oklahoma last year was unprecedented. He is one of the rare prospects who has a package of scoring and passing that gives him serious avenues toward being a truly valuable primary initiator. Young also has considerable off-ball upside, something we rarely got to see fleshed out at Oklahoma. Even if his defense hits one of its worse outcomes, at his upper tail of offensive upside he could still be a top-20 player in the league. If he makes marginal improvements on defense–something I don’t think is impossible with his just-good-enough size, frame, and instincts–he’s got avenues that lead to him becoming a top-10 NBA player. Primary initiators are just so valuable. He may shoot worse than expected or turn it over more than he should and not become the offensive player that I hope he can, which would make him a fairly average or even below-average NBA point guard when accounting for his defense. But the reason I have him over Wendell Carter Jr., who in my mind has a higher floor, is that Young has the realistic upside of being a top-5 point guard in the NBA, which is simply more valuable than being a top-5 center. A player with his pull-up shooting, passing, and foul-drawing combo (in addition to everything else he does) should not last more than 5 picks in any draft.
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Post#54 » by ChokeFasncists » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:32 am

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11. Kevin Huerter

I went in-depth on why I like Huerter in a draft profile I recently wrote for him. I don’t see Klay Thompson upside like some do, mainly because Huerter lacks the same sort of frame and length that make Thompson so much more than a 3-point shooter,

Not so sure, Klay's wingspan is listed at 6'9 whereas Huerter 6'8, is it that much of a difference? Klay 200lbs vs 190 for Huerter, no big difference, and Klay played three years and was 1.5 years older. Huerter was 19 when drafted, can grow a bit taller and definitely can get bigger.

but I am a huge fan of his handle, passing ability, and quick feet. He’s never going to be a star creator type due to his athletic limitations, but he has as much off-ball upside as any player in this draft thanks to his ability to shoot off movement, cut, and provide gravitational shooting whenever left open. His shooting at his size should be worth a first-rounder on its own, but it is the rest of his game that catapults him to right outside the top-10 on my board. Huerter also has yet to turn 20, giving him a lot of time to continue to tighten his dribble and work on his body. The only reason I’m worried about having him this high is his unusually low free-throw percentage, though his shooting mechanics, results, and general touch (he was an excellent finisher around the rim at Maryland despite lacking high-level explosiveness, length, or strength) make me confident that his jumper will translate.


Seems to me he's a lesser defender than Klay, not a bad one tho, but can create off the dribble and finish close to the rim better. If his D is OK, ultimately how well he shoots would be the most important factor. Beyond that, could he become a KMart? Or Hayward?
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Post#55 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:54 pm

Draft analysis from NY Times:


Atlanta Hawks: Omari Spellman, PF, Villanova

6 feet 9 inches, 255 pounds

His inability to graduate high school on time forced him to sit out his true freshman season at Villanova, but he took the time to lose weight and sharpen his game, and he turned himself into a dynamic stretch-4. He can handle himself on defense and seems to have the work ethic necessary to continue to improve.

How he fits: The Hawks already got a pair of guards, so at the end of the first round they grabbed a potential gem for their front line. The resilience he showed in sticking with things when he dealt with the ineligibility ruling is likely a good sign of character and he basically willed himself into being a first-round player.





Atlanta Hawks: Kevin Huerter, SG, Maryland

6 feet 7 inches, 190 pounds

He came into the draft combine with the reputation of a shooter and left with people wondering how much more he is capable of, which isn’t surprising considering his 38-inch vertical leap and his top-10 performances in several agility drills. He’s still the kind of defender where people talk about his effort so much that you worry about his ability, but when you shoot 41.7 percent from 3-point range (with a widespread belief that he has the range to continue that at the N.B.A. level) and prove that you’re not a dud of an athlete, being a try-hard defender might be enough.

How he fits: On the rebuilding Hawks, Huerter can play immediately next to Trae Young and his flaws can be worked out as the young team learns how to play. That type of environment could be perfect for a player who is going to struggle at first.



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Dallas Mavericks: Trae Young, PG, Oklahoma

6 feet 2 inches, 180 pounds

Young is either the next Steph Curry or a mistake-prone underachiever who has already been figured out by the competition. Or something in-between (but that’s boring). He was an absolute sensation early in the year, and finished with averages of 27.4 points and 8.7 assists a game.

But his production tailed off as scouting reports got more focused on how to attack him, which was seemingly never compensated for in Oklahoma’s game-plan. He’s small, hasn’t shown much promise defensively, and is used to being a one-man show, so his adjustment to a life where he can’t control everything will be interesting to watch.

How he fits: The pick may have been made by Dallas, but it is widely believed that Young and a 2019 first round pick are heading to Atlanta in exchange for Luka Doncic. Young will free the team up to trade away the disgruntled Dennis Schroder. With the talent-depleted Hawks, Young’s usage rate might not actually take a dip from his Oklahoma days.
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Post#56 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:00 pm

Some Huerter highlights from this past collegiate season.

The most impressive takeaway is his ability to put the ball on the floor and create his own shot. He also has a nice floater when he gets into the lane.

I still don't think he is ready to be a starter, nor should we expect super star production from him. But he is so fundamentally sound and such an adept shooter -- he could really thrive in the right offensive system.

(I don't know what's more exciting. The thought of him playing with Luka Doncic, if we'd kept that pick. Or the possibility of him playing with Trae and Cam Reddish.) :D

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Post#57 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:07 pm

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Kevin Huerter, SG/SF, Atlanta Hawks


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Immediate expectations can't be too high for Kevin Huerter. The No. 19 pick lacks any degree of muscle definition. He also missed all of summer league with a hand injury. But Huerter is a candidate to eventually start producing as a rookie.

He will have a green light to play through mistakes on one of the league's weakest teams. And...it's reasonable to think they will also try to move Kent Bazemore which would open up even more playing time for Atlanta's second 2019 first-round pick.

An interchangeable wing due to his 6'7" size, three-ball and playmaking, Huerter ranked in the 93rd percentile in spot-up shooting at Maryland, per Synergy Sports, and averaged 3.4 assists last year. He'll work to his strengths early as a ball-mover and shooter off-the-catch; but just like he did at the NBA combine, Huerter will surprise with his ability to put the ball on the floor, create separation as a scorer and set up teammates off the dribble.

He plays a more efficient, well-rounded game compared to shot-hunter Tyler Dorsey. Huerter is the Hawks' priority. By the second half of the season, he'll be drawing starts in Atlanta next to Taurean Prince.
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Post#58 » by macd-gm » Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:44 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Some Huerter highlights from this past collegiate season.

The most impressive takeaway is his ability to put the ball on the floor and create his own shot. He also has a nice floater when he gets into the lane.

I still don't think he is ready to be a starter, nor should we expect super star production from him. But he is so fundamentally sound and such an adept shooter -- he could really thrive in the right offensive system.

(I don't know what's more exciting. The thought of him playing with Luka Doncic, if we'd kept that pick. Or the possibility of him playing with Trae and Cam Reddish.) :D



Isn't he essentially Luka anyway? Maybe not as good a passer. I'm pumped having him play with Trae.
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Post#59 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:47 pm

macd-gm wrote:Isn't he essentially Luka anyway? Maybe not as good a passer. I'm pumped having him play with Trae.




Meh...he isn't nearly the passer or ball handler that Luka is. And Huerter is a better defender and far superior shooter.

They have comparable size, but their games are very different.



NOTE: The combination of Trae and Huerter in the same back court could indeed be something special -- particularly with some strong inside scorers like Collins (and RJ Barrett?!?)



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Post#60 » by MaceCase » Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:42 pm

Huerter could be what we hoped Bembry would develop into but starting off with an injury to his shooting wrist is making the comparison a lil too much on the nose.
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