What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae?

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Hey, macd -- Trav is doing that thing again where he speaks as if he's a member of the coach staff.

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[macd-gm]

Hey, macd -- Trav is doing that thing again where he speaks as if he's a member of the coach staff.

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LOL. I saw that. I find it very strange and if I was on the coaching staff it would be pretty off putting.

[Jamaaliver]

LOL.I saw that. I find it very strange and if I was on the coaching staff it would be pretty off putting.

i'm sure the Assistants roll their eyes when they here "we" come out of his mouth.


More importantly, I hope Lloyd is okay with it since he and Travis go back years together, and this is largely what he signed up for.

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Honestly i still think it's the defense. When our defense sucks and we aren't getting out in transition I think the guys lose focus and resort to hero ball pretty much across the board.

[ChokeFasncists]

Well, LP is a defense first guy. The offense is gonna take more time. Guys are doing things they haven't been used to doing. They are some rookies/almost rookies and recovering guys.

OTOH, LP wants to push the ball, good defense leads to fast breaks. This team is definitely not there yet in half court sets.

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Honestly i still think it's the defense. When our defense sucks and we aren't getting out in transition I think the guys lose focus and resort to hero ball pretty much across the board.

I think it's both. When guys aren't hitting their shots, they let it affect their ability to defend.

[bws94]

Last game is much better. Lots of assists, not a lot of turnovers. Spirit was higher so maybe Coach and Lin's message got across for now. Still, defense has a long, long way to go.

[ChokeFasncists]

Looks like whatever LP does takes some time, he's known as a development coach afterall. Lets hope it could be sustained and gets even better with Collins back.

[Roy Tarpley]

Here's the NBA-wide percentages for FG/3PT/2PT for the last 9 nine years:

2010-11 45.9/35.8/48.7
2011-12 44.8/34.9/47.7
2012-13 45.3/35.9/48.3
2013-14 45.4/36.0/48.8
2014-15 44.9/35.0/48.5
2015-16 45.2/35.4/49.1
2016-17 45.7/35.8/50.3
2017-18 46.0/36.2/51.0
2018-19 46.0/35.3/51.7

The overall FG% is up a tiny bit. 3pt% is basically the same over the years. But the 2pt% is up significantly (a big jump in 2pt% plus a consistent 3pt% leads to a tiny jump in overall FG%).

[Jamaaliver]

This focus on the process of how teams construct their offense rather than the actual results is evident with the Atlanta Hawks, where head coach Lloyd Pierce currently oversees an offense that ranks second-to-last but boasts perhaps the best shot profile in the league. Atlanta takes the right shots more often than just about any other team in the league (with Milwaukee, led by former Hawks head coach Mike Budenholzer, in that same conversation), and while it hasn’t produced immediate results, the implementation of that sort of offensive culture should reap massive benefits in future years.

Atlanta’s team-wide shot profile (featuring a ton of threes and shots at the rim) is virtually perfect...

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[bws94]

Coaches have to figure out why the team melts down in the 3Q. The entire team does that, both starters and bench guys.

[Jamaaliver]

Atlanta Hawks: Modern Offensive System is Recipe for Future Success

Pierce is exceeding expectations so far through the thoroughly modern offensive system he has implemented through the team’s first 13 games.

According to Cleaning the Glass, the Atlanta Hawks have one of the most modern shot profiles of every team in the league. Though their effective field goal percentage is in the bottom third of the league at 51.2 percent, the Hawks are number in the league in corner threes attempted per game at 10.9 percent of their shots coming from the most efficient spot on the floor for offenses.

Beyond that, their 36.8 total three-point attempt rate is 4th in the league, behind only the Rockets, Bucks and Celtics. That doesn’t mean the Hawks are living beyond the arc, however. The Atlanta Hawks’ modern offensive system is also focused on getting good looks in the paint, and the team is attempting 42 percent of its shots at the rim – second only to the paint-focused Los Angeles Lakers.

Because 78.8 percent of the shots the Atlanta Hawks take are either at the rim or from three-point territory, that means the team is almost completely eschewing the mid-range game – which is exactly what you’d like to see from a young coach like Pierce.

Of course, though that shot profile is rather beautiful, the Atlanta Hawks offense is still not particularly potent, as the team is 29th in offensive rating according to Basketball Reference.

Pierce has also made the team devoted to pushing the ball hard in transition.

Though the Hawks are third in transition frequency on offense with 18.9 percent of their possessions coming in transition, they are 29th in points per 100 possessions (101.1), 20th in points added per 100 possessions (2.2) and 22nd in points per play added per 100 possessions (114.7).

That string of numbers simply means that while the Hawks are getting great looks in transition and pushing the ball hard on a majority of their plays, the lack of offensive polish is letting the team down bigtime when it comes to actually scoring in transition.

Perhaps most notable of the team’s focus on transition play is how much the Atlanta Hawks push the ball off of live rebounds. 40.3 percent of live rebounds the Hawks take down end up being transition plays, which is second only to the Lakers.

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So even though our offense is among the 5 worst in the league, our modern shot profile puts us on the path to long term success...apparently?

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Collins’ return to the lineup should have a big impact on Young, Hawks



Trae​ Young’s​ father​ couldn’t wait​ for John​ Collins’ season​ debut because​ [the elder Ray] Young​ saw opposing teams were frequently​ double-teaming​ his​​ son deep on the perimeter. The truth is Atlanta hasn’t had an offensive threat in the starting lineup who has taken away attention from the Hawks’ rookie when he has the ball in his hands.

The Hawks are dead last in the NBA in points per possession in pick-and-roll plays (0.67) with 16.2 percent of the team’s possessions coming out of the play. That should change now that John Collins has been cleared for return.

“He just gives us a dynamic athlete,” Hawks head coach Lloyd Pierce said. “We see what we have in Trae. Trae is a magician with the basketball. Fifteen assists in his ninth game shows you what he’s capable of doing. We look at John as probably the best complement with Trae in the pick-and-roll. That’s what John has always done. Seventy-two percent of John’s shots last year were at the rim. Now that he has a point guard that he’s going to be paired with for years to come, once they start establishing that chemistry together, 72 percent is going to be a little easier because we have a point guard that is going to be looking for him at the rim.

“It’s also going to add some pressure on the defense because we are going to get more 3s and cleaner 3s because of what John brings.”

Collins led the Hawks last season with 1.13 points per possession in the pick-and-roll, and he should only get better with Young as his point guard because of the rookie’s vision and willingness to pass compared to last year’s point guard.

“From a big-man’s perspective, it’s always nice to have a PG that knows how to pass the ball and is willing to pass the ball like he is,” Collins said.

Collins’ presence on the court should make Atlanta a better team, especially for Young because teams have been trapping him as soon he crosses halfcourt. Vince Carter and Omari Spellman have done an adequate job of filling in for Collins, but neither player can provide what Collins can on offense; he’s the Hawks’ most athletic player by far.

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