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What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae?

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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

Post#121 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:59 pm

Roy Tarpley wrote:Was there a change in the NBA rules that I'm not aware of? Why is every team scoring 130+ points these days? It can't just be teams focusing on increasing pace.


League is attempting to crack down on grabbing players away from the ball. This seems to have led to easier movement for shooters running around screens. That, combined with most players focusing on 3-pt shooting is seemingly driving the inflated numbers.

I kinda hate it, TBH.

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As he watches scores skyrocket all over the NBA during the first week of the season, Draymond Green articulated what many around the league believe.

"It's been called pretty tight," Green said. "We were told that. Defense isn't really an emphasis anymore in this league. So I think you're seeing it all around the league with these high scores. We know what the emphasis is. Just got to be better, and we haven't done that."

Across the league, 10 of 30 teams are giving up at least 120 points per game. Through the end of play on the first Sunday last season, just two teams were giving up 120 on average. The Nuggets are the only team giving up fewer than 100, while every team is scoring at least 100.


Green was asked how they fix the foul problem.

"I don't know," Green said. "Some of them are questionable...some of the fouls we have are just dumb as hell. Like we're in the bonus like six, seven, eight minutes to go in every quarter."


 Stephen Curry thinks his team will adjust, but he acknowledged that the game is being called differently than it was in the past.

"A lot of it is just the speed of the game," Curry said. "You can't really simulate defensive possessions like that in the offseason, you got to kind of adjust on the fly. It's definitely called differently this year early, they've demonstrated that.
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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

Post#122 » by jayu70 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:03 pm

macd-gm wrote:I don't know why there is so much scoring. Maybe the constant whistles for touch fouls has defenses playing scared?

Scoring is waaay up. Are teams playing at a faster pace? Is the new 'impeding the progress of a wing player' rule affecting players ability to shoot more freely? The 14 second offensive rebound shot clock? More 3s? Or is it just early in the season when teams are still figuring out defensive strategies?

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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

Post#123 » by macd-gm » Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:18 pm

Seems like with the "new emphasis" officiating changes in the past, they last about 2 weeks and then the officials go back to what they always did. I expect defenses to tighten up.
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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

Post#124 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:27 pm

Trae has jumped to the head of the offensive class in this weird metric.

NOTE: Huerter and Spellman seem to be rated highly according to this.

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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

Post#125 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:17 pm

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The Hawks are going for an up-tempo, spread out offense that relies on the pick and roll and three-point shooting. The NBA can thank Mike D’Antoni for introducing this playing style.


After 7 days of NBA basketball, Hawks are:

#2 in Pace
#5 in Eff FG%
#5 in TS%
#14 in Off Rating.

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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

Post#126 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:24 pm

The worst players on the Hawks by Net Ratings:

No surprise that all five starters are listed:

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Post#127 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:23 pm

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Post#128 » by Roy Tarpley » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:37 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:The worst players on the Hawks by Net Ratings:

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This just shows Net Ratings for Hawks players who played all 3 games and a minimum of 15 mpg. So of course, all five starters would be listed.
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Post#129 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:16 pm

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Hawks at #17 in Off Rating after 4 games.

#1 in pace.

Top 11 in both EFG% and TS%.
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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

Post#130 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:48 pm

Young moves like he’s been in the league for years, and it shows when he runs the pick-and-roll.
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Young can already make all the passes from difficult angles, including the cross-court look to corner 3-point shooters and in transition.

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Of Young’s 30 assists this season, all have resulted in layups or 3-pointers—with 20 in the restricted area and 10 from downtown—according to NBA.com/Stats. Here’s how that looks, via Positive Residual:

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Scouts and executives around the league have long said Young is a hard worker, so if he continues making strides like he did this summer, he should stay on track to reach his upside—no matter what that is. For now, Young is still at the beginning. The game is stretching out to the perimeter and being played at a faster pace. If Young is to someday become one of the NBA’s top point guards, he was drafted into the perfect environment for it.
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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

Post#134 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:32 am

After a 111-104 win Wednesday over the Dallas Mavericks, Hawks head coach Lloyd Pierce was asked if shooting nearly 40 3-pointers per game was sustainable. Pierce smiled and said, “I want them to shoot 50 of them” to some laughter.

But Pierce was serious.


“It’s the way the league is going,” he said. “You have to create space and move the ball. Don’t get me wrong; they need to be good shots.”

On Wednesday, the Hawks shot 15-of-38 from 3-point land, but Saturday was much different as the Hawks (2-3) made only 12-of-40 3-point attempts.

We got 3s up but not the ones we want,” Pierce said. “When you look at how we play, when we’re playing well, we have ball movement, ball reversal, (the ball) touching hands. We try to make simple plays. You can look at the number, but those weren’t the 3s we wanted. We wanted plays and 3s that were off penetration.

“We wanted 3s that were off of guys helping and over-helping, just making the simple reads. We had a lot of dribble 3s and a lot of late-shot clock 3s. Out of rhythm, out of sync. That’s just part of us understanding what we’re trying to do offensively.”
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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

Post#135 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:22 pm

KL Chouinard wrote:The Five Numbers Worth Tracking

...time to look at the accumulated stats from over the course of the young season. Trends are developing; some will hold over the long term and others will fade. The Hawks and their players have racked up some impressive numbers.



Pace: New head coach Lloyd Pierce has emphasized a faster pace of play ever since he arrived in Atlanta, and his efforts are already paying dividends. The Hawks lead the NBA in pace – 108.6 possessions per 48 minutes.

Points per game and assists per game, rookies:
Highlighted by a scintillating 35-point, 11-assist effort in a win over the Cleveland Cavaliers, Trae Young leads all rookies in points per game (19.8) and assists per game (6.8). It's not new territory for Young; last season, he became the first NCAA player in Division I history to lead the nation in scoring and assists.

Three-point percentage, rookies:
Among rookies with enough attempts to qualify for the NBA three-point percentage leaderboard, Omari Spellman ranks second (45.5 percent) and Kevin Huerter sits close behind in fifth place (41.7 percent).

Defensive rating, teams: The Hawks have been stingy to this point in the season. They currently rank seventh in defensive rating among the league's 30 teams by yielding just 104.4 points per 100 possessions.

Steals per game: Don't get sloppy with the ball around DeAndre' Bembry. He will swipe it. In averaging 2.0 steals per game, Bembry currently sits tied in seventh place among the NBA's steals leaders. He also holds 12th place on the three-point percentage leaderboard (53.8 percent).
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Post#136 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:00 pm

Through 5 games, bottom five in offensive rating. But respectable defensive rating overall.

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Post#137 » by ChokeFasncists » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:13 pm

Against the Bulls, both teams were throwing bricks. (bad influence?) But they came thru cuz Lavine was the best player on the floor and they hit some timely/lucky threes
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Post#138 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:48 pm

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-The Hawks should be more effective on the offensive side of the floor when they get John Collins back, but the reason I say that is because we’ve seen now through six games that part of Pierce’s strategy is to have ball-handlers (Trae Young, Kevin Huerter, DeAndre’ Bembry) space the floor horizontally with passes fired from all spots on the floor.

We saw a lot of dribble-drives and kick-outs to shooters from the Hawks on Monday night. The plays were run correctly, for the most part, but it was just one of those games during which the shots just didn’t fall. Atlanta made just 8-of-37 shots from beyond the 3-point line.


-I’ve continued to be impressed with what I’ve seen from Huerter. We talk a lot about how Young is an elite passer, but Huerter is up there with Young. But where he has a clear advantage over Young is on defense. His shot hasn’t been there this season; but he has made an impact with his defense and passing. His shot will start to fall consistently eventually, but, right now, I’ve liked what I’ve seen from him.

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- It was another rough shooting night as [Young] made 5-of-13 shots and only 1-of-6 3s. I’m going to continue saying it, but these kinds of games are to be expected for volume shooters, and it’s perfectly OK. Pierce has said he wants Young to keep shooting. This game for Young was particularly rough at the rim.

According to NBA.com’s advanced stats, Young had only made 48 percent of his field goal attempts inside of 10 feet. If Young can get more consistent inside the paint, he’ll be more complete of a player on offense. As for defense, that’s where there’s a lot left to be desired for the rookie.


-Taurean Prince’s night in Philadelphia shall be one he quickly forgets. He shot 1-of-11 and had three turnovers in the game. Prince has averaged nearly four turnovers per game so far and is one of the league leaders in total turnovers.


-Atlanta’s decision to add Lin looked like a move that was designed to have the rookie learn and be eased into the starting lineup at some point during the season as Lin started. That hasn’t been the case at all, and Lin looks nowhere near being able to be a starting point guard on any team. Lin told me before the opener against the New York Knicks that he was fully healthy, but it still looks like he’s not 100 percent back to form after his devastating knee injury last season. He looks slow, and that continues to show.
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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Lloyd, Lin and Young Trae? 

Post#139 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:29 pm

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