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Re: Mavs & Cavs Draft Pick Watch 

Post#41 » by jayu70 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:26 pm

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jayu70 wrote:I've already given up on that pick converting to us this year.

I'm already looking at who we can trade to pick up another 1st.  I'm hoping Baze to Minny, NOP or OKC.

Huerter and Bembry gets more minutes and SG, as well as Dorsey (he expires this year so would be good to know if he's worth resigning).

That Denver trade instead of Lin would look mighty nice right about now!


DEN pick - protected 1-12 - is likely to convey this year but will likely be in mid to late 20s if DEN continues its earl season good play, 5-1 and big win over Pels last night

I'd rather have the late 1st (Schlenk did quite well with late picks at #19(Huerter) and #30(Spellman) last draft) AND the 2nd over Lin.
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Re: Mavs & Cavs Draft Pick Watch 

Post#42 » by steady » Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:30 pm

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jayu70 wrote:I've already given up on that pick converting to us this year.

I'm already looking at who we can trade to pick up another 1st.  I'm hoping Baze to Minny, NOP or OKC.

Huerter and Bembry gets more minutes and SG, as well as Dorsey (he expires this year so would be good to know if he's worth resigning).

That Denver trade instead of Lin would look mighty nice right about now!


DEN pick - protected 1-12 - is likely to convey this year but will likely be in mid to late 20s if DEN continues its earl season good play, 5-1 and big win over Pels last night

I'd rather have the late 1st (Schlenk did quite well with late picks at #19(Huerter) and #30(Spellman) last draft) AND the 2nd over Lin.


I am not sure, remember you are assuming Hawks were stretching Farieds contract as well to make the deal work

and 2019 is going to be bad draft year . No one remotely close to Huerters level will be available in 20s -- although maybe Spellman.
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Re: Mavs & Cavs Draft Pick Watch 

Post#43 » by jayu70 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:12 pm

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DEN pick - protected 1-12 - is likely to convey this year but will likely be in mid to late 20s if DEN continues its earl season good play, 5-1 and big win over Pels last night

I'd rather have the late 1st (Schlenk did quite well with late picks at #19(Huerter) and #30(Spellman) last draft) AND the 2nd over Lin.


Not sure, remember you are assuming Hawks were stretching Farieds contract as well

and 2018 is going to be bad draft year . No one remotely close to Huerters level wille available in 20s

Also I think we’re seeing in recent games how helpful a healthy Lin could have been. And still could be — I think fie or six games in is too soon to throw in towel on him

1. I'd rather have the pick (doesn't necessarily mean we draft a player, can use it in trade, trade for future pick etc.)
2. I never put much stock in 'weak/bad draft' when nobody has seen these guys play any meaningful college games.
3. Huerter wasn't on the radar to begin the college season last year, he became a hot comodity in predraft workouts and stayed in the draft.
4. I'd just rather the pick based on Atlanta's rebuild.
5. I take no issue with stretching Faried.
6. My only interest in Lin is in his expiring contract and what asset it can bring us to further the rebuild. All I need is for him to improve his play enough to get us some asset in trade.
7. I'd rather the 1st round pick.
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Re: Mavs & Cavs Draft Pick Watch 

Post#44 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Nov 1, 2018 11:46 am

I'm officially concerned about acquiring that Mavs pick, now:

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Post#45 » by ATL Boy » Thu Nov 1, 2018 4:51 pm

That Mavs pick looks like it'll be ideal this year. They're not good enough to make the playoffs and they're not bad enough out tank teams like Atlanta, New York, Chicago, BK, Orlando and maybe even Phoenix. I think it'll end up being around 7-8.
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Re: Mavs & Cavs Draft Pick Watch 

Post#46 » by mg » Thu Nov 1, 2018 4:58 pm

If that Dallas pick is sitting in the 6-8 range at midseason it would make sense for them to rest vets and just tank the last few months of the season though tbh.
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Post#47 » by kg01 » Thu Nov 1, 2018 5:30 pm

mg wrote:If that Dallas pick is sitting in the 6-8 range at midseason it would make sense for them to rest vets and just tank the last few months of the season though tbh.


Agreed. If they're anywhere close to that, I wouldn't put it past Cuban to do some shameful things to make sure they don't lose their pick. Honestly, doing shameful things is kinda what I expect from Cubes at this point. :-?
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Post#48 » by CP War Hawks » Thu Nov 1, 2018 7:38 pm

Okay so I just checked the past 3 seasons for picks 6th, 7th, and the wins related to them respectively.

2016: 6th pick = 25 wins, 7th pick = 27 wins

2017: 6th pick = 29 wins, 7th pick = 31 wins

2018: 6th pick = 30 wins, 7th pick = 32 wins

I mean, Dallas basically has to win 30 games give or take for the pick to transfer. The West is pretty competitive though this season. There are a good 5 teams in the East that already have the top 5 lotto slots secured, so I'm not too worried.
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Post#49 » by ChokeFasncists » Thu Nov 1, 2018 9:30 pm

CP War Hawks wrote:Okay so I just checked the past 3 seasons for picks 6th, 7th, and the wins related to them respectively.

2016: 6th pick = 25 wins, 7th pick = 27 wins

2017: 6th pick = 29 wins, 7th pick = 31 wins

2018: 6th pick = 30 wins, 7th pick = 32 wins

I mean, Dallas basically has to win 30 games give or take for the pick to transfer. The West is pretty competitive though this season. There are a good 5 teams in the East that already have the top 5 lotto slots secured, so I'm not too worried.

With the odds change, this season might be very different from the past tho.

With Barnes back, and later Dirk, they should get better soon.
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Post#50 » by jayu70 » Thu Nov 1, 2018 10:39 pm

I think they're gonna try hard to win as many games as posdible in what could be Dirk's last season.
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Post#51 » by ChokeFasncists » Fri Nov 2, 2018 5:21 am

He's saying it's gonna take weeks...
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Post#52 » by steady » Sat Nov 3, 2018 1:48 am

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mg wrote:If that Dallas pick is sitting in the 6-8 range at midseason it would make sense for them to rest vets and just tank the last few months of the season though tbh.


Agreed. If they're anywhere close to that, I wouldn't put it past Cuban to do some shameful things to make sure they don't lose their pick. Honestly, doing shameful things is kinda what I expect from Cubes at this point. :-?


Dallas' 1st round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 1-5 in 2019, 1-5 in 2020, 1-3 in 2021 and 1-3 in 2022 and unprotected in 2023 [Atlanta-Dallas, 6/21/2018]

Dallas has incentive to give that first round pick to the Hawks the soonest they can
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Post#53 » by ChokeFasncists » Sat Nov 3, 2018 2:19 am

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kg01 wrote:
mg wrote:If that Dallas pick is sitting in the 6-8 range at midseason it would make sense for them to rest vets and just tank the last few months of the season though tbh.


Agreed. If they're anywhere close to that, I wouldn't put it past Cuban to do some shameful things to make sure they don't lose their pick. Honestly, doing shameful things is kinda what I expect from Cubes at this point. :-?


Dallas' 1st round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 1-5 in 2019, 1-5 in 2020, 1-3 in 2021 and 1-3 in 2022 and unprotected in 2023 [Atlanta-Dallas, 6/21/2018]

Dallas has incentive to give that first round pick to the Hawks the soonest they can

Diametrically opposed to the Cavs. They might be trying to trade their vets now.
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Post#54 » by ATL Boy » Sat Nov 3, 2018 7:50 am

Mavs losing to the Knicks at home is surprising. Hopefully that pick actually does convey this year, but even if it doesn't I don't think that team is making the playoffs next year either.
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Re: Mavs & Cavs Draft Pick Watch 

Post#55 » by jayu70 » Sun Nov 4, 2018 9:01 pm

We can definitely kiss that Cavs pick buh bye....Cavs will be getting rid of their vets soon.

Things are not good for the Cleveland Cavaliers right now and the future is beginning to look anything but positive. Joe Vardon of The Athletic reports that there is a major divide in the locker room and it is first-round pick Collin Sexton that the veterans lack confidence in:

“It’s becoming increasingly clear that when you hear a Cavs veteran talk about younger players not knowing their role, or knowing how to win, or what to do on the court, they mean Sexton. Throughout the organization, the line on Sexton is that he does not “know how to play.” He doesn’t know how to defend the pick and roll. He doesn’t know how to set up teammates as a point guard.”

While George Hill reportedly told Sexton he would teach him how to play defense, the players in the locker room don’t think he will even listen to him.

“They still think he’s a nice kid. But they see his deficiencies, they know he’s going to be on the court, and they’re discouraged when after these losses, he doesn’t seem bothered by them.


I'll just say, I'm glad the Hawks have the RIGHT vets on our team mentoring our 3 rookies.
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Post#56 » by steady » Sun Nov 4, 2018 11:14 pm

Only team with better record than Nuggets right now is Warriors who I believe DEN beat once. They are tied for second place with Raptors.

Another surprise : there are six teams with worse records than Hawks right now.

Suns, Wizards, Cavs, Bulls, Magic. Mavs

And they are tied for seventh with BKN and NYK



It’s really early of course
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Post#57 » by ChokeFasncists » Tue Nov 6, 2018 9:29 pm

steady wrote:Only team with better record than Nuggets right now is Warriors who I believe DEN beat once. They are tied for second place with Raptors.

Another surprise : there are six teams with worse records than Hawks right now.

Suns, Wizards, Cavs, Bulls, Magic. Mavs

And they are tied for seventh with BKN and NYK



It’s really early of course

Collins hasn't even played. (Barton as well, almost)
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Re: Mavs & Cavs Draft Pick Watch 

Post#58 » by ChokeFasncists » Tue Nov 6, 2018 9:30 pm

jayu70 wrote:We can definitely kiss that Cavs pick buh bye....Cavs will be getting rid of their vets soon.

Things are not good for the Cleveland Cavaliers right now and the future is beginning to look anything but positive. Joe Vardon of The Athletic reports that there is a major divide in the locker room and it is first-round pick Collin Sexton that the veterans lack confidence in:

“It’s becoming increasingly clear that when you hear a Cavs veteran talk about younger players not knowing their role, or knowing how to win, or what to do on the court, they mean Sexton. Throughout the organization, the line on Sexton is that he does not “know how to play.” He doesn’t know how to defend the pick and roll. He doesn’t know how to set up teammates as a point guard.”

While George Hill reportedly told Sexton he would teach him how to play defense, the players in the locker room don’t think he will even listen to him.

“They still think he’s a nice kid. But they see his deficiencies, they know he’s going to be on the court, and they’re discouraged when after these losses, he doesn’t seem bothered by them.


I'll just say, I'm glad the Hawks have the RIGHT vets on our team mentoring our 3 rookies.

Oh dang, headcase? Weren't they saying he is the best PG in the draft and will lead them into the playoffs?
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Post#59 » by atlantabbq99 » Wed Nov 7, 2018 5:41 am

Good news is that Dallas just won today, which officially puts them at #6 on the mock draft board. That DeAndre Jordan signing has been good for the Hawks, he was able to out play Dwight today and get the win.
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Re: Mavs & Cavs Draft Pick Watch 

Post#60 » by Geaux_Hawks » Wed Nov 7, 2018 7:41 am

steady wrote:
kg01 wrote:
mg wrote:If that Dallas pick is sitting in the 6-8 range at midseason it would make sense for them to rest vets and just tank the last few months of the season though tbh.


Agreed. If they're anywhere close to that, I wouldn't put it past Cuban to do some shameful things to make sure they don't lose their pick. Honestly, doing shameful things is kinda what I expect from Cubes at this point. :-?


Dallas' 1st round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 1-5 in 2019, 1-5 in 2020, 1-3 in 2021 and 1-3 in 2022 and unprotected in 2023 [Atlanta-Dallas, 6/21/2018]

Dallas has incentive to give that first round pick to the Hawks the soonest they can


Mavs should surely incentivise sending that pick next year. 2023 is a long ways away, but anytime an unprotected pick is floating out there, is never a good thing.

I believe they're going to end up better this year anyway once everyone is healthy. No way they end up worse than us, PHX, Cleveland, Chicago, NY, and Brooklynn.

We should probably expect another team like Washington to be just as bad. Sacto could fall once they see some of the better teams in the league.

I'm gonna say that pick ends up 7-10.

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