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Rookie of the Year Watch

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Who will win this season's ROY award?

Poll ended at Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:54 am

D Ayton
3
4%
Marvin Bagley
0
No votes
Luka Doncic
36
49%
Young Trae
32
43%
Mo Bamba
1
1%
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
1
1%
Miles Bridges
0
No votes
Other
1
1%
 
Total votes: 74

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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#141 » by kg01 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:05 pm

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kg01 wrote:Bobbi, we all know why you're here. Your spidey-sense started tingling so you came here to try to snuff out any possible positive Trae Young talk.

You're better than that, Bobbi.


Speaking of which, I call out soth, he comes back and acts like he didn’t whine about Trae? The nerve of that Joktown lover! :lol:


Waitaminute?! Where is saphron? He and Doctor(sic) Feelgood have been notably absent.

Should we post a thread calling these dudes out? This has reached shameful levels.
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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#142 » by Spud2nique » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:06 pm

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No. I heard ROY race is not over, and Vegas already gave me the money, so I’m a bit concerned. :wink:

Trae is my eyes the biggest surprise of the season. Deservedly second and his trend is the positives. What more do you want from me?


Kg it’s time for that office gif with Michael closing the door on oldie.

Ps Don’t lie about Vegas. You don’t see a penny till the end of the season and when the ROY is announced.


Nope, some already paid the money, many others has taken away bets for the first place and have only second or have 1.01 odds.


Uh huh so Vegas paid you before the ROY has even been announced.... AHHHHHHHH I FELL FOR THE BAIT AGAIN. I’m out! Fool me twice shame on me.
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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#143 » by Bob8 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:06 pm

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kg01 wrote:Bobbi, we all know why you're here. Your spidey-sense started tingling so you came here to try to snuff out any possible positive Trae Young talk.

You're better than that, Bobbi.


No. I heard ROY race is not over, and Vegas already gave me the money, so I’m a bit concerned. :wink:

Trae is my eyes the biggest surprise of the season. Deservedly second and his trend is the positives. What more do you want from me?


We should make a bet. If Young gets x number of ROY votes, you have to change your name to TraeY01.


I’m not the bookie to give you the odds but we can bet, who will win the ROY for whatever you want.
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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#144 » by Bob8 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:08 pm

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Bob8 wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:
Kg it’s time for that office gif with Michael closing the door on oldie.

Ps Don’t lie about Vegas. You don’t see a penny till the end of the season and when the ROY is announced.


Nope, some already paid the money, many others has taken away bets for the first place and have only second or have 1.01 odds.


Uh huh so Vegas paid you before the ROY has even been announced.... AHHHHHHHH I FELL FOR THE BAIT AGAIN. I’m out! Fool me twice shame on me.


Not me, it was a joke. But they truly did, I will find you the link.
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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#145 » by Spud2nique » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:08 pm

kg01 wrote:
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kg01 wrote:Bobbi, we all know why you're here. Your spidey-sense started tingling so you came here to try to snuff out any possible positive Trae Young talk.

You're better than that, Bobbi.


Speaking of which, I call out soth, he comes back and acts like he didn’t whine about Trae? The nerve of that Joktown lover! :lol:


Waitaminute?! Where is saphron? He and Doctor(sic) Feelgood have been notably absent.

Should we post a thread calling these dudes out? This has reached shameful levels.


He posted on game thread last night. Didn’t wipe his feet or say hello or anything. Almost like he’s mad that this is happening or his ego hasn’t recovered yet. I’m confident Soth with regroup and come back to us for good.
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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#146 » by kg01 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:11 pm

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kg01 wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:
Speaking of which, I call out soth, he comes back and acts like he didn’t whine about Trae? The nerve of that Joktown lover! :lol:


Waitaminute?! Where is saphron? He and Doctor(sic) Feelgood have been notably absent.

Should we post a thread calling these dudes out? This has reached shameful levels.


He posted on game thread last night. Didn’t wipe his feet or say hello or anything. Almost like he’s mad that this is happening or his ego hasn’t recovered yet. I’m confident Soth with regroup and come back to us for good.


Me too but that shouldn't stop us from giving him the maximum amount of sh*t until then.
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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#147 » by macd-gm » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:21 pm

He's right that ROY is for the whole season and for that reason Luka is likely to get it. But he's wrong that Luka has been better every month.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=1629027&VsPlayerID=1629029&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=12%2F1%2F2018

If we compare stats since 12/1/2018:
Trae vs Luka

Scoring equal
Pts : 19.2 / 22.3
Ast: 7.8 / 6.5

fg% 42.8 / 43 equal
3p% 37.8 / 34 Trae >>>

rebounds : 3.5 / 7.7 Luka >>

TOV: 3.9 / 3.2 Trae's is more but per 100 possession and ast/turn is better.
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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#148 » by Bob8 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:24 pm

Bob8 wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Nope, some already paid the money, many others has taken away bets for the first place and have only second or have 1.01 odds.


Uh huh so Vegas paid you before the ROY has even been announced.... AHHHHHHHH I FELL FOR THE BAIT AGAIN. I’m out! Fool me twice shame on me.


Not me, it was a joke. But they truly did, I will find you the link.


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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#149 » by Bob8 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:33 pm

macd-gm wrote:He's right that ROY is for the whole season and for that reason Luka is likely to get it. But he's wrong that Luka has been better every month.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=1629027&VsPlayerID=1629029&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=12%2F1%2F2018

If we compare stats since 12/1/2018:
Trae vs Luka

Scoring equal
Pts : 19.2 / 22.3
Ast: 7.8 / 6.5

fg% 42.8 / 43 equal
3p% 37.8 / 34 Trae >>>

rebounds : 3.5 / 7.7 Luka >>

TOV: 3.9 / 3.2 Trae's is more but per 100 possession and ast/turn is better.


I said monthly splits. If I’m not mistaken they’re giving monthly rewards too and not for some arbitrary periods, which starts in the middle of the month.
And how 22.3 vs. 19.2 is equal? Luka is better in points and rebounds, Trae in assists. Shooting numbers are similar. Trae is lately much better in 3s but maybe you might look how Trae is shooting for 2 in last month. But all in all similar efficiency.
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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#150 » by macd-gm » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:43 pm

Bob8 wrote:
macd-gm wrote:He's right that ROY is for the whole season and for that reason Luka is likely to get it. But he's wrong that Luka has been better every month.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=1629027&VsPlayerID=1629029&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=12%2F1%2F2018

If we compare stats since 12/1/2018:
Trae vs Luka

Scoring equal
Pts : 19.2 / 22.3
Ast: 7.8 / 6.5

fg% 42.8 / 43 equal
3p% 37.8 / 34 Trae >>>

rebounds : 3.5 / 7.7 Luka >>

TOV: 3.9 / 3.2 Trae's is more but per 100 possession and ast/turn is better.


I said monthly splits. If I’m not mistaken they’re giving monthly rewards too and not for some arbitrary periods, which starts in the middle of the month.
And how 22.3 vs. 19.2 is equal? Luka is better in points and rebounds, Trae in assists. Shooting numbers are similar. Trae is lately much better in 3s but maybe you might look how Trae is shooting for 2 in last month.


22/6.5 is roughly equal to 19.2/7.8 in terms of directly contributed points. In fact, it's surprisingly almost the same. I'd actually argue that I'd rather have Trae's numbers because it's getting more people involved in the scoring but that's splitting hairs.

You can go ahead and admit that Trae has been at least equal to Luka since 12/1. It's ok. I'll even let the 4 point difference in 3 point % slide.
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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#151 » by jayu70 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:43 pm

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kg01 wrote:Bobbi, we all know why you're here. Your spidey-sense started tingling so you came here to try to snuff out any possible positive Trae Young talk.

You're better than that, Bobbi.




I'm always disappointed when one of us actually takes the bait and responds.

Dude shows up specifically to tear down any joy your fan base has...solely because his favorite player isn't aboard.

And he abuses that winkie smiley to an obscene degree.

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:nod: yeah, the winkies make me uncomfortable :wink:
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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#152 » by marco102 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:00 pm

jayu70 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
kg01 wrote:Bobbi, we all know why you're here. Your spidey-sense started tingling so you came here to try to snuff out any possible positive Trae Young talk.

You're better than that, Bobbi.




I'm always disappointed when one of us actually takes the bait and responds.

Dude shows up specifically to tear down any joy your fan base has...solely because his favorite player isn't aboard.

And he abuses that winkie smiley to an obscene degree.

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:nod: yeah, the winkies make me uncomfortable :wink:


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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#153 » by Bob8 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:06 pm

macd-gm wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
macd-gm wrote:He's right that ROY is for the whole season and for that reason Luka is likely to get it. But he's wrong that Luka has been better every month.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/#!?PlayerID=1629027&VsPlayerID=1629029&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&DateFrom=12%2F1%2F2018

If we compare stats since 12/1/2018:
Trae vs Luka

Scoring equal
Pts : 19.2 / 22.3
Ast: 7.8 / 6.5

fg% 42.8 / 43 equal
3p% 37.8 / 34 Trae >>>

rebounds : 3.5 / 7.7 Luka >>

TOV: 3.9 / 3.2 Trae's is more but per 100 possession and ast/turn is better.


I said monthly splits. If I’m not mistaken they’re giving monthly rewards too and not for some arbitrary periods, which starts in the middle of the month.
And how 22.3 vs. 19.2 is equal? Luka is better in points and rebounds, Trae in assists. Shooting numbers are similar. Trae is lately much better in 3s but maybe you might look how Trae is shooting for 2 in last month.


22/6.5 is roughly equal to 19.2/7.8 in terms of directly contributed points. In fact, it's surprisingly almost the same. I'd actually argue that I'd rather have Trae's numbers because it's getting more people involved in the scoring but that's splitting hairs.

You can go ahead and admit that Trae has been at least equal to Luka since 12/1. It's ok. I'll even let the 4 point difference in 3 point % slide.


Yes you can say that points and assists equals out. But we have still big difference in rebounds. And if you’re talking about 3pts%, you should Look at Trae’s 2pt%, which is especially in February extremely poor. If everything else is similar, rebounds are not. But let say that they are equal in raw stats and efficiency, will we talk about advanced stats, like RPM, BPM, WORP...? Because it’s not only raw stats and efficiency, which determine who’s better.

I said Trae is great lately and clear second best rookie. But I just cannot say ROY race is close, because it isn’t. Maybe if Luka forgets to shoot like Fultz, Trae has still a chance, but how likely is that? Trae’s last 2 games were really insane, but how likely is, that he will play 42 minutes till the end of the season or better, why would Hawks risk potentially injury playing him that much? RC is clearly saving Luka in last games.
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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#154 » by King Ken » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:24 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
kg01 wrote:Bobbi, we all know why you're here. Your spidey-sense started tingling so you came here to try to snuff out any possible positive Trae Young talk.

You're better than that, Bobbi.




I'm always disappointed when one of us actually takes the bait and responds.

Dude shows up specifically to tear down any joy your fan base has...solely because his favorite player isn't aboard.

And he abuses that winkie smiley to an obscene degree.

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He is literally on my block list. Best decision I've made on this site
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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#155 » by High 5 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:29 pm

Bob's just upset that it only took Trae a few months of pro ball to move into the discussion with Luka. The Luka trolls were annoying when Trae was struggling, but now it's just funny to see them scrambling.
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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#156 » by MaceCase » Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:54 pm

High 5 wrote:Bob's just upset that it only took Trae a few months of pro ball to move into the discussion with Luka. The Luka trolls were annoying when Trae was struggling, but now it's just funny to see them scrambling.

Gotta suck hearing that while Luka was already working on his HOF* speech, Trae is also picking out matching suit-shorts to go with his HOF* jacket.
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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#157 » by Atlanta Hawk Fan » Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:27 pm

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This difference is in Luka’s disastrous FT% in 2019. Which is more or less correlated with Barea’s injury, trades being made and consequently much bigger usage. And it’s not the secret that Luka’s conditioning is one of the worst in Nba.


All reasons that Luka actually hasn't outperformed Trae in every month. Trae Jan / Feb > Doncic Jan / Feb. Doncic has it for the entire season.....

so far.


Wait a minute, in February has Luka better all raw stats, except assists, better Fg%, eFG% and TS%. So we can forget February. In January has Trae truly better eFg% and TS%, but Luka has much better raw stats 22.4/8.1/6.4 vs. 18.7/3.7/7.2. It looks Luka still better to me. Do you know why I have written only raw and numerical stats? Because if we go to look advanced stats, the difference is (unfairly) big for Luka. I’m not sure that TS% alone has any kind of value, this is just one of many stats, which should be taken in consideration. Luka’s usage in January and February is insane for the rookie, bad FT% shouldn’t be surprise.


Agree to disagree on both. Trae gets the win for January based on scoring efficiency for me. Check out the raw numbers for February:

Trae:
280 points on .565% TS% (Note: Almost 50% more points scored with similar efficiency)
111 assists
2.8 A/TO Ratio
51 rebounds
8 steals


Luka:
195 points on .577% TS%
59 assists
1.59 A/TO Ratio
75 rebounds
2 steals

It is Trae in a landslide for February. Way more production and a huge gap in that ball control for the month. Luka gets docked for missing games and justly so.
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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#158 » by marco102 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:42 pm

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High 5 wrote:Bob's just upset that it only took Trae a few months of pro ball to move into the discussion with Luka. The Luka trolls were annoying when Trae was struggling, but now it's just funny to see them scrambling.

Gotta suck hearing that while Luka was already working on his HOF* speech, Trae is also picking out matching suit-shorts to go with his HOF* jacket.


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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#159 » by Bob8 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:51 pm

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All reasons that Luka actually hasn't outperformed Trae in every month. Trae Jan / Feb > Doncic Jan / Feb. Doncic has it for the entire season.....

so far.


Wait a minute, in February has Luka better all raw stats, except assists, better Fg%, eFG% and TS%. So we can forget February. In January has Trae truly better eFg% and TS%, but Luka has much better raw stats 22.4/8.1/6.4 vs. 18.7/3.7/7.2. It looks Luka still better to me. Do you know why I have written only raw and numerical stats? Because if we go to look advanced stats, the difference is (unfairly) big for Luka. I’m not sure that TS% alone has any kind of value, this is just one of many stats, which should be taken in consideration. Luka’s usage in January and February is insane for the rookie, bad FT% shouldn’t be surprise.


Agree to disagree on both. Trae gets the win for January based on scoring efficiency for me. Check out the raw numbers for February:

Trae:
280 points on .565% TS% (Note: Almost 50% more points scored with similar efficiency)
111 assists
2.8 A/TO Ratio
51 rebounds
8 steals


Luka:
195 points on .577% TS%
59 assists
1.59 A/TO Ratio
75 rebounds
2 steals

It is Trae in a landslide for February. Way more production and a huge gap in that ball control for the month. Luka gets docked for missing games and justly so.



I give in. I’m kinda sure RC will be “resting” Luka in some more games. So Trae has already won it. If accidentally Luka wins by a large margin, it will be because of biased voters.

P.s. Do you know that Luka was toasted in February even before the month started, because Hawks have more games scheduled in February?
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Re: Rookie of the Year Watch 

Post#160 » by Atlanta Hawk Fan » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:03 pm

Do you know that actually playing more games means contributing more?

Seriously, what am I supposed to do with that? Of course Luka should be docked for taking games off and for playing less (whether by schedule, injury or coach's decision).

Trae is producing a ton more and his team is winning more. That "his team trending towards winning more and not towards losing more" part can't be overlooked either for awards (note the impact winning has on All-NBA and All-Star selections for reference).

Even on a per minute basis, Young is more efficient offensively in January when you factor in turnovers (Doncic is averaging almost 5 per game in February by far his worst month of the year). It is Trae for the month of February easily and January is more of a debate where reasonable minds can differ. For 2018, it is Luka in a landslide.

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