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Heat favored by 6??? Hmm, seems a bit high but ok I guess. The Heat strike me as a team we can beat. They are stuck in “we have needed to rebuild for a while but won’t because of Riley’s ego” mode.
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"POINT! A-ahhhh!"
(“Winslow’s alive?!”)
"POINT! A-ahhhh!"
"Points for every one of us. He’ll save every one of us!"
"He assist with a mighty hand. Every man, every woman, every child, with a mighty POINT!"
All hail the Savior of the Miami-verse, Point Winslow! Justise, a man with a man’s courage, is near single-handedly saving the season for the Miami heat, who hope to zap the Hawks during Atlanta’s pit stop here at State Farm Arena (6:00 PM Eastern, Fox Sports Southeast and 92.9 FM in ATL, Fox Sports Sun in MIA).
Coach Erik Spoelstra’s club was up Coconut Creek without a paddle. There they were, at 10-17 in mid-December, and it had become clear that Jimmy Butler wasn’t going to come help Hassan Whiteside spoil the mood. Then, it’s revealed that point guard Goran Dragic, who missed each of the heat’s meetings against the Hawks (both losses for Miami), was going under the arthroscope for his troublesome right knee, and he wouldn’t return until at least after the All-Star Break.
Mediocre play. Rudderless rotations. Bloated salaries. Frustrated faces. Miami was drowning below .500, and times were looking bleak for their heroes.
There’s no need to fear. Point Winslow is here!
After the heat flubbed a home game to the lowly Hawks, 115-113, on November 27, to fall to 7-13, the heat briefly rebounded, prevailing in four of their next five games. In the fifth of those, Coach Spo inserted Winslow in the starting lineup, and he responded with his second-straight (and second only) game of 20 or more points, plus nine assists to one turnover, during a 23-point win over the Clippers in LA. Spoelstra’s reward? He moved Chief Justise back to the bench.
Despite a team-high 28 points in Winslow’s next outing, the heat fell short of a Staples sweep against LeBron and the Lakers. After losing the next road game in Utah by 27, Spoelstra realized that, maybe, he had the right hint all along. Justise has been serving on the top line ever since.
Miami has gone on an 8-2 tear since that decision. He is not always shooting the ball well, but when the heat win big, Winslow seems to have a big hand in the outcome. 22 points, five dimes and four steals in a 24 point win over division-rival Orlando. A combined 14 assists, and just three turnovers, in 24- and 25-point victories over the Cavs in the space of six days. This past Friday night, he dished out a Flashy, season-high ten assists, just one turnover, as Miami sent the Wizards home with another L.
Winslow began the season inactive with a hamstring injury, then as a secondary forward behind Bam Adebayo, Kelly Olynyk and James Johnson off the bench, as Spoelstra worried they’d Losefast if Winslow struggled with his jumpshot and his reticence to attack the interior.
The sun began to set on the solid season-opening starts by guards Josh Richardson and Rodney McGruder. Hassan Whiteside resumed grumbling about his lack of late-game playing time, and Wayne Ellington has struggled to break into the rotation. Finally, Goran Dragic’s injury troubles were forcing Spoelstra to overutilize the retiring Dwyane Wade (12.7 FGAs per game, 32.7 3FG%), to say nothing of the overpaid Tyler Johnson. Needing a shakeup in the worst way, the coach put up the bat-signal, and Justise responded.
He has long played a point-forward role, notably late last season off the bench when Miami made its post-All-Star run into the playoffs. But lately, the 6-foot-7 Winslow is formally tasked with bringing the ball up the court, reading the defense and directing the plays called by his coach. Justise “is our starting point guard,” Spoelstra said after the Christmas break, as reported by the AP’s Tim Reynolds. “It’s a big responsibility. He loves those kinds of challenges.”
“We want to get into our actions,” Spoelstra elaborated to the Sun-Sentinel a couple weeks ago ahead of the decision. “We want to also take advantage of the defense on its heels. There’s some decision making to that, and I think Justise is reading that very well.” Winslow’s versatility as an on-ball defender and his passing skills are too good for this team, as currently constructed, to have him coming off the bench.
After watching Trae Young get bullied around the post, at turns, by Malcolm Brogdon and Eric Bledsoe, as the Hawks got mushed 144-112 in Milwaukee, it will be intriguing to see what defensive adjustments coach Lloyd Pierce has in mind to be a merciless Ming in countering Point Winslow. Probably, it will involve having Daniel Hamilton pester Winslow up the court, and switching DeAndre’ Bembry and bigs onto him, to entice him to give up the ball or settle for long-range jumpers.
Those defensive switches will necessitate Young not getting hopelessly lost in space, but instead keeping McGruder and Wade from getting clean catches, easy drives and open looks. None of the top three active Miami players, in terms of playing time, have been hitting on more than 43 percent of their shots, so defensive rebounding principles versus the heat (26.6 O-Reb%, 3rd in NBA) will be essential.
Over their 8-2 stretch, Miami’s NBA-best 35.4 O-Reb% (Atlanta’s 33.9% ranks 2nd) coincides with their stellar 8.8 Net Rating. That efficiency rate ranks behind only Milwaukee, San Antonio, and Indiana, two of whom the Hawks (11-27) have assisted quite well in recent days.
Atlanta (NBA-worst 23.7 personal fouls per-48) continues to rely heavily on their bigs to have an impact in tandem, whether it’s the Thump ‘n Jump combo of John Collins and Alex Len, or the emerging Thrash ‘n Splash duo of Collins and Dewayne Dedmon. But succumbing to foul trouble, especially early in the first and second halves, is watering down their effectiveness and disrupting the flow of the game Hawks coach Lloyd Pierce prefers to play.
Dedmon was 4-for-9 from three-point land in Milwaukee. But he also matched his five turnovers with 5 personals, limiting him to 21 minutes of play, raising his foul rate to 5.1 per-36.
Dedmon’s foul rate sneaked ahead of Len’s 5.0 (we’ll deal with Alex Poythress’ 5.8 once he, like Omari Spellman, returns from Erie). Among the forwards, Collins’ 4.0 is a tad high, exceeded only by the burly Justin Anderson’s 4.1. When the centers are awash in foul trouble, Pierce is compelled to choose from some sub-optimal choices, like the eager yet overmatched Vince Carter (minus-17 in under 9 minutes @ MIL) at the 4-spot.
Part of the challenge involves overcompensating when Trae Young and Jeremy Lin get devoured on screen plays. Showing on pick-and-roll plays by the opposition, then entrusting the wings (shorthanded as they are) to be disruptive on drives and passes into the paint, will help Atlanta’s frontcourt be able to contribute more with rebounding and help defense. Less hacking and defensive infighting for post position will ensure they’re able to make more of an impact on the offensive end, as well.
If anybody needs to be saddled with foul problems today, it needs to be Adebayo (team-high 4.6 fouls per-36) and Whiteside. Keeping Miami, especially Richardson and former conquering hero Wade (in his final visit to Atlanta – expect a HUGE, boisterous throng of his supporters at The Farm), off the free throw line, will keep Spoelstra's heat from compiling cheap points and dictating the tempo of today’s contest. Attendees at the game will root for a huge lead, either way, by the fourth quarter, so the chants of "WE WANT WADE!", "LET WADE SHOOT!", and "MVP!" can commence in full.
Hanging up his wings soon, “Flash” won’t be around much more to save South Beach. Can Point Winslow assist in keeping Miami from getting hopelessly submerged in the murky depths of the Southeast Division? Will Justise prevail? Stay tuned!
Let’s Go Hawks!
~lw3
(“Winslow’s alive?!”)
"POINT! A-ahhhh!"
"Points for every one of us. He’ll save every one of us!"
"He assist with a mighty hand. Every man, every woman, every child, with a mighty POINT!"
All hail the Savior of the Miami-verse, Point Winslow! Justise, a man with a man’s courage, is near single-handedly saving the season for the Miami heat, who hope to zap the Hawks during Atlanta’s pit stop here at State Farm Arena (6:00 PM Eastern, Fox Sports Southeast and 92.9 FM in ATL, Fox Sports Sun in MIA).
Coach Erik Spoelstra’s club was up Coconut Creek without a paddle. There they were, at 10-17 in mid-December, and it had become clear that Jimmy Butler wasn’t going to come help Hassan Whiteside spoil the mood. Then, it’s revealed that point guard Goran Dragic, who missed each of the heat’s meetings against the Hawks (both losses for Miami), was going under the arthroscope for his troublesome right knee, and he wouldn’t return until at least after the All-Star Break.
Mediocre play. Rudderless rotations. Bloated salaries. Frustrated faces. Miami was drowning below .500, and times were looking bleak for their heroes.
There’s no need to fear. Point Winslow is here!
After the heat flubbed a home game to the lowly Hawks, 115-113, on November 27, to fall to 7-13, the heat briefly rebounded, prevailing in four of their next five games. In the fifth of those, Coach Spo inserted Winslow in the starting lineup, and he responded with his second-straight (and second only) game of 20 or more points, plus nine assists to one turnover, during a 23-point win over the Clippers in LA. Spoelstra’s reward? He moved Chief Justise back to the bench.
Despite a team-high 28 points in Winslow’s next outing, the heat fell short of a Staples sweep against LeBron and the Lakers. After losing the next road game in Utah by 27, Spoelstra realized that, maybe, he had the right hint all along. Justise has been serving on the top line ever since.
Miami has gone on an 8-2 tear since that decision. He is not always shooting the ball well, but when the heat win big, Winslow seems to have a big hand in the outcome. 22 points, five dimes and four steals in a 24 point win over division-rival Orlando. A combined 14 assists, and just three turnovers, in 24- and 25-point victories over the Cavs in the space of six days. This past Friday night, he dished out a Flashy, season-high ten assists, just one turnover, as Miami sent the Wizards home with another L.
Winslow began the season inactive with a hamstring injury, then as a secondary forward behind Bam Adebayo, Kelly Olynyk and James Johnson off the bench, as Spoelstra worried they’d Losefast if Winslow struggled with his jumpshot and his reticence to attack the interior.
The sun began to set on the solid season-opening starts by guards Josh Richardson and Rodney McGruder. Hassan Whiteside resumed grumbling about his lack of late-game playing time, and Wayne Ellington has struggled to break into the rotation. Finally, Goran Dragic’s injury troubles were forcing Spoelstra to overutilize the retiring Dwyane Wade (12.7 FGAs per game, 32.7 3FG%), to say nothing of the overpaid Tyler Johnson. Needing a shakeup in the worst way, the coach put up the bat-signal, and Justise responded.
He has long played a point-forward role, notably late last season off the bench when Miami made its post-All-Star run into the playoffs. But lately, the 6-foot-7 Winslow is formally tasked with bringing the ball up the court, reading the defense and directing the plays called by his coach. Justise “is our starting point guard,” Spoelstra said after the Christmas break, as reported by the AP’s Tim Reynolds. “It’s a big responsibility. He loves those kinds of challenges.”
“We want to get into our actions,” Spoelstra elaborated to the Sun-Sentinel a couple weeks ago ahead of the decision. “We want to also take advantage of the defense on its heels. There’s some decision making to that, and I think Justise is reading that very well.” Winslow’s versatility as an on-ball defender and his passing skills are too good for this team, as currently constructed, to have him coming off the bench.
After watching Trae Young get bullied around the post, at turns, by Malcolm Brogdon and Eric Bledsoe, as the Hawks got mushed 144-112 in Milwaukee, it will be intriguing to see what defensive adjustments coach Lloyd Pierce has in mind to be a merciless Ming in countering Point Winslow. Probably, it will involve having Daniel Hamilton pester Winslow up the court, and switching DeAndre’ Bembry and bigs onto him, to entice him to give up the ball or settle for long-range jumpers.
Those defensive switches will necessitate Young not getting hopelessly lost in space, but instead keeping McGruder and Wade from getting clean catches, easy drives and open looks. None of the top three active Miami players, in terms of playing time, have been hitting on more than 43 percent of their shots, so defensive rebounding principles versus the heat (26.6 O-Reb%, 3rd in NBA) will be essential.
Over their 8-2 stretch, Miami’s NBA-best 35.4 O-Reb% (Atlanta’s 33.9% ranks 2nd) coincides with their stellar 8.8 Net Rating. That efficiency rate ranks behind only Milwaukee, San Antonio, and Indiana, two of whom the Hawks (11-27) have assisted quite well in recent days.
Atlanta (NBA-worst 23.7 personal fouls per-48) continues to rely heavily on their bigs to have an impact in tandem, whether it’s the Thump ‘n Jump combo of John Collins and Alex Len, or the emerging Thrash ‘n Splash duo of Collins and Dewayne Dedmon. But succumbing to foul trouble, especially early in the first and second halves, is watering down their effectiveness and disrupting the flow of the game Hawks coach Lloyd Pierce prefers to play.
Dedmon was 4-for-9 from three-point land in Milwaukee. But he also matched his five turnovers with 5 personals, limiting him to 21 minutes of play, raising his foul rate to 5.1 per-36.
Dedmon’s foul rate sneaked ahead of Len’s 5.0 (we’ll deal with Alex Poythress’ 5.8 once he, like Omari Spellman, returns from Erie). Among the forwards, Collins’ 4.0 is a tad high, exceeded only by the burly Justin Anderson’s 4.1. When the centers are awash in foul trouble, Pierce is compelled to choose from some sub-optimal choices, like the eager yet overmatched Vince Carter (minus-17 in under 9 minutes @ MIL) at the 4-spot.
Part of the challenge involves overcompensating when Trae Young and Jeremy Lin get devoured on screen plays. Showing on pick-and-roll plays by the opposition, then entrusting the wings (shorthanded as they are) to be disruptive on drives and passes into the paint, will help Atlanta’s frontcourt be able to contribute more with rebounding and help defense. Less hacking and defensive infighting for post position will ensure they’re able to make more of an impact on the offensive end, as well.
If anybody needs to be saddled with foul problems today, it needs to be Adebayo (team-high 4.6 fouls per-36) and Whiteside. Keeping Miami, especially Richardson and former conquering hero Wade (in his final visit to Atlanta – expect a HUGE, boisterous throng of his supporters at The Farm), off the free throw line, will keep Spoelstra's heat from compiling cheap points and dictating the tempo of today’s contest. Attendees at the game will root for a huge lead, either way, by the fourth quarter, so the chants of "WE WANT WADE!", "LET WADE SHOOT!", and "MVP!" can commence in full.
Hanging up his wings soon, “Flash” won’t be around much more to save South Beach. Can Point Winslow assist in keeping Miami from getting hopelessly submerged in the murky depths of the Southeast Division? Will Justise prevail? Stay tuned!
Let’s Go Hawks!
~lw3
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Spud2nique wrote:Heat favored by 6??? Hmm, seems a bit high but ok I guess. The Heat strike me as a team we can beat. They are stuck in “we have needed to rebuild for a while but won’t because of Riley’s ego” mode.
GO HAWKS!
We've beaten them twice already. But they have been playing a lot better since the last meeting.
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High 5 wrote:Spud2nique wrote:Heat favored by 6??? Hmm, seems a bit high but ok I guess. The Heat strike me as a team we can beat. They are stuck in “we have needed to rebuild for a while but won’t because of Riley’s ego” mode.
GO HAWKS!
We've beaten them twice already. But they have been playing a lot better since the last meeting.
Wow, despite watching every Hawks game the outcome of the games seem to elude me. We beat them twice? I’m really focused on our style of play and seem to forgot who won and lost lol. I have to take a mental note of the score once the buzzer sounds I guess.
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Nice game thread lw3! Sometimes I need to pay close attention as you bring new stuff to light. Specially since I haven’t even noticed the Heat having such success of late.
I blame this on kg. Comon man you gotta let me know when your BIL cannonballs into the sac pool after Heat victories..ur pool needs cleaning this week I’m sure. lol.
GO HAWKS!
Hawks 107
Heat 106
Huerter buzzer beater for the win!
I blame this on kg. Comon man you gotta let me know when your BIL cannonballs into the sac pool after Heat victories..ur pool needs cleaning this week I’m sure. lol.
GO HAWKS!
Hawks 107
Heat 106
Huerter buzzer beater for the win!
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This is a must lose, if the Hawks want to stay competitive for a top 4 lottery pick this year.
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3rd straight home game I’m having to miss after going to every game for 3 years. Can’t wait to get back to the A soon.
In the mean time, I’m hoping to see another double double from Trae. He has a 25/17 game against Miami under his belt this year already, hoping he can find some of that success again tonight.
In the mean time, I’m hoping to see another double double from Trae. He has a 25/17 game against Miami under his belt this year already, hoping he can find some of that success again tonight.
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https://deadspin.com/justise-winslow-is-saving-the-miami-heats-season-1831377725
It’s not just that Winslow has been given more responsibility as the conductor of the Heat’s offense. The rest of his game has been boosted by having the ball in his hands more often. Despite coming into the league as a shooting non-entity—even the most optimistic of observers for his potential acknowledged he needed to fix his shot to be a true star—Winslow has been a legitimately good shooter for two seasons now. Last year, he shot 38 (percent) from deep, and while that’s dipped (very slightly) to 37.5 percent this year, he’s doing it on 3.6 attempts per game, which would easily be a career high.
He’s also finishing at the rim at an above-average rate, particularly in December: per the Miami Herald, Winslow is finishing 65.9 percent of his attempts at the rim this month, compared to 54.5 percent last season. His shot distribution has also finally skewed towards modern NBA trends; he’s taking 34.3 percent of his shots from three, which, combined with his steady improvement from deep, has seen his true-shot percentage rise to a career-high 50.9 percent this season...
On the other side of the ball, Winslow is still just as good as ever; despite being generously listed at 6-foot-7—he’s probably closer to 6-foot-5—he’s guarded every position on the court, oftentimes in the same game. Ever since Spoelstra started implementing the zone defense earlier this month—another adjustment made due to the lack of healthy guards and an abundance of long-armed forwards—Winslow has been the linchpin, helping to anchor the top of the 2-3 zone that has confounded their December opponents into careless mistakes and the mid-range jumpers so out of vogue with today’s NBA.
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8 assist,13 Turnovers and the Hawks still lead at the half. Miami's offense has been putrid.
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jayu70 wrote:8 assist,13 Turnovers and the Hawks still lead at the half. Miami's offense has been putrid.
I like Trae but good lord that man needs to reign in those turnovers thats my biggest gripe with him right now. It was his shot selection but he has done much better with that lately now it's being safer with the ball.
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Wow. Pouring it on in the 3Q. First the starters and now the bench.
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7 assists vs 1 turnover on 3rd quarter - nice.
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I've never seen a team shoot as badly as Miami today.
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Threezus wrote:jayu70 wrote:8 assist,13 Turnovers and the Hawks still lead at the half. Miami's offense has been putrid.
I like Trae but good lord that man needs to reign in those turnovers thats my biggest gripe with him right now. It was his shot selection but he has done much better with that lately now it's being safer with the ball.
His shot selection is much better now but his passing accuracy and passing risk is still way too high. His court vision is beyond elite.
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Cool. Bembry sealed the deal and I'll give him player of the game. But excellent play but others like Dedmon and Lin.
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King Ken wrote:Threezus wrote:jayu70 wrote:8 assist,13 Turnovers and the Hawks still lead at the half. Miami's offense has been putrid.
I like Trae but good lord that man needs to reign in those turnovers thats my biggest gripe with him right now. It was his shot selection but he has done much better with that lately now it's being safer with the ball.
His shot selection is much better now but his passing accuracy and passing risk is still way too high. His court vision is beyond elite.
No doubt i agree with that on his court vision it's in the top percentile of a elite level player. He has all the tools to be a top 5 PG in the league for a very long time. Which i think he will be in a few years i see the passing skills he has and they are amazing but some of the risk on them are just to much you gotta go with a safer play at times. Im not crazy worried about it because he is raw when it comes to time spent in college and the pro's as he plays and gets a ton more experience he will gain the knowledge and the speed will slow way down for him of the game. Once that happens and his body gets a bit stronger as he ages he's gonna be a monster at PG. I still think Doncic will be the better of the 2 as a player themselves but i think Trae will be the guy who makes his teammates better which in turns makes the team better of the 2 for the playoffs in the future.