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Appropriately early 2020 NBA Draft Thread

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What would you like to see the Hawks do with the #6 pick?

Trade the Pick for a vet
5
17%
Trade into the top 3
8
28%
Trade for later/future picks
3
10%
Draft Best Player Available
4
14%
Draft TYRESE HALIBURTON
3
10%
Draft ONYEKA OKONGWU
3
10%
Draft ISAAC OKORO
0
No votes
Draft KILLIAN HAYES
3
10%
 
Total votes: 29

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Re: Appropriately early 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1041 » by _s_t_u_r_t_ » Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:16 pm

From Givony @ ESPN this morning.

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Post#1042 » by Spud2nique » Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:25 pm

Onyeka :nod:

In the words of Antonio Montana, “I TOL U A LONG TIME AGO DON’T YOU F ME YOU LIL MONKEY!

I taught Givony everything he knows. :nod:
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Post#1043 » by HMFFL » Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:11 pm

Rick Bonnell: Charlottean Patrick Williams is the biggest riser in the NBA draft. I hear he could go as high as 4 to the Chicago Bulls.

 

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Re: Appropriately early 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1044 » by Geaux_Hawks » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:23 am

Seeing Schlenk is content on staying put, and I'm not mad at it all.

My targets are Deni Avdija, Killian Hayes, Onyeka Okungwu, and Devin Vassell.

With Deni and Killian, it comes down to which one is most likely to hit their star ceiling. I think both can get there, but athletic limitations could be key for them.

In the case for Killian, I think he has the skill set alone to get him their even if he isn't explosive. His footwork, vision, defense, and ball handling are about as good it gets from a young player of his ilk. He easily shares the backcourt with Trae, and could actually allow Trae to move more without the ball or simply take over as the main ball handler when Trae is on the bench. Can create his own shot. He will need some work on his shooting, but he's a great FT shooter, and that shows promise for developing consistency in his range. Has great length which helps a lot on defense. I wish he was better off the ball, as it would help with having him and Trae on the court. He's solid as of now in catch and shoot, so maybe he doesn't need much more in playing off ball. A plus for him is the pro experience he does have at this point.

For Deni, he's intriguing as a point forward option, and could also play as the secondary ball handler. Versatility to play 1-4 depending on what you need at the moment. High IQ, with the ability to create his own shot. Ball handling is good. He's a pretty good shooter already, and is creative in scoring. He moves well enough to come off screens and pin downs, or slip behind defenders for easy lay-ins. Defense is questionable, but it can improve. As mentioned earlier with both, athletic limitations could really hinder him more than Killian and not having great length is another downer. Like Hayes, his pro experience is pretty valuable as well.

Not to seem less impressed by Okungwu and Vassell, but I think we either already have a similar talent already(John Collins) or better talents (Huerter, Hunter, Reddish) than Okungwu/Vassell. Don't get me wrong, we could still probably get something out of them, whether it's an insurance policy on Collins or simply a wing off the bench in Vassell's case.

Okungwu is similar to Collins, but does offer more defensive upside, and post play oppose to Collins somewhat expanding his range. Okungwu would signal moving on from Collins though, and if we are, then it probably just makes more sense to move Collins and attach the pick for a bigger value play. Okungwu isn't the best ball handler either, so if we are taking him for the defensive upside, we're probably losing more offensively.

Vassell is probably the best 3 and D prospect out there, but that would limit him to being the least desired of these guys since I think we already have plenty of that. If Vassell offered more on offense, I would probably consider him more highly, but again, where does he fit in with having Reddish, Hunter, and Huerter already?
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Post#1045 » by HMFFL » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:49 am

More Draft props

Who will be drafted first?

1) Killian Hayes (-103)

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Isaac Okoro(-120)

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2) LaMelo Ball (-134)

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Anthony Edwards (+107)

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3) Deni Avdija (-251)

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Obi Toppin (+205)

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4) Obi Toppin (-159)

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Onyeka Okongwu (+132)

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5) 2020 NBA DRAFT - COLE ANTHONY DRAFT POSITION
Over or Under 21.5

Over is +110

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6) KILLIAN HAYES DRAFT POSITION
Over or Under 7.5

Over is -149

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7) PATRICK WILLIAMS DRAFT POSITION
Over or Under 9.5

Under is the large favorite -262



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Post#1046 » by Spud2nique » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:20 am

BR final mock has us taking Okongwu! Please let this happen!



Onyeka Okongwu could go No. 6, either to the Atlanta Hawks or a team trading up.

Though the Hawks recently acquired Clint Capela, he won't stop them from taking Okongwu if they deem him the best player available. Aside from the rim protection he would offer a poor defensive team, he would also give Atlanta another finishing target for Trae Young, as well as a high-percentage shot-creator in the post.

But Okongwu could also be a target for teams potentially looking to move up, including the Washington Wizards, San Antonio Spurs and Boston Celtics.
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Re: Appropriately early 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1047 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:12 pm

Jonathan Wasserman wrote:Predicting NBA's Biggest 2020 Draft Busts

Aaron Nesmith (Vanderbilt, SF, Sophomore)

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It sounds like a team in the late-lottery range is going to draft Aaron Nesmith. While shooting is considered a premium skill, the back half of the lottery seems too early to bet on a 14-game sample size of hot three-point numbers given his freshman stats and how limited he is elsewhere.

Nesmith shot an astounding 52.2 percent from three this season, an unsustainable number for an entire year, particularly considering he shot just 33.7 percent in 2018-19. Vanderbilt also lost to Richmond, Tulsa, Liberty, Loyola (IL), SMU and Auburn in the 14 games the offense featured Nesmith.

Aside from shooting, he offers no creativity, playmaking or passing, totaling 13 assists in 500 minutes, and he ranked in the 6th percentile as a pick-and-roll ball-handler. The only guards or forwards on record to average at least 14 field-goal attempts and have an assist percentage as low as Nesmith's 6.9 percent: Shabazz Muhammad and JaJuan Johnson.

Nesmith's jump shot is still a draw, but it doesn't even work well off the dribble (13-of-37).

He should be a useful catch-and-shoot player like Doug McDermott, but lottery teams expecting a volume scorer or difference-making shooter may want to think twice.
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Post#1048 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:47 pm

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Post#1049 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:51 pm

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Post#1050 » by _s_t_u_r_t_ » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:54 pm

_s_t_u_r_t_ wrote:If I recall correctly, Woo's mock drafts and intel has been fairly stout (... and particularly so regarding the Bulls specifically fwiw, as it seems his Northwestern years bore the benefit of a relationship with a secretary or custodian inside their offices).

He has us taking Patrick Williams... which is a first for me, ie, I hadn't seen that name in the region of #6 yet. Apparently he is the hot commodity in the lead-up to the draft.

https://www.si.com/nba/2020/11/16/nba-mock-draft-latest-updates-rumors-daily-cover


Woo updated to reflect last night's trades, and continues to show Williams at #6--which, if it happened, given what I've read, would most logically also mean that we traded back b/c someone wanted to come up and get him.

Probably the most important thing about Woo's mocks is that, again, he's always seemed to have some handle on what CHI will do at this time of year (and at the trade deadline, for that matter). Schlenk said yesterday that the draft begins at #4, essentially asserting that the top 3 picks are pretty much established, but that it's a mystery what will happen after that. Well, Woo has them taking Deni, as a lot of others do. Then, practically everyone seems to have Obi tabbed for CLE at #5. Thus, making the draft likely starting at #6... which is not a bad place to be, of course.
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Post#1051 » by Spud2nique » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:20 pm

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Schlenk needs to forgot about drafting Draymond. $hit is holding him back in life. Forget the donkey Green and draft BOA. He said the same **** about Spellman. Oops!
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Post#1052 » by Spud2nique » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:27 am

Mock in NBA tv going on right now and Andy Katz agreed with me in Okongwu being the guy if we have the opportunity to select him. :nod:

I’m mad at Andy though cuz he called Toppin “a human highlight film” and I’m like :evil: then he actually mentioned Nique. Ugh. His inner Supes came out. :lol:
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Post#1053 » by Ball4life32 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:36 am

Yeah if Hawks get Hayward, I wonder if they go Okongwu. I like his game a lot... & his potential fit next to Collins.
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Re: Appropriately early 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1054 » by Jamaaliver » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:09 am

Glad to finally have an end to the longest pre-draft period in NBA history.

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Now...who wants to start the 2021 draft thread?

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