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Anything interesting? It's not available where I am. Possibly national security concerns :roll:
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Anything interesting? It's not available where I am. Possibly national security concerns :roll:

Trae's hammy was really a hip problem that trickled down
Goodwin would have been called up awhile ago if wasnt injured at start of preseason. Wanted him to get some games in GL br being called up.
Expectations for 2nd half of sesdon - continued improvements from the developing core.
Trade deadline - eveything on the table in terms of taking contracts for picks, longer term deals for our expirings if they really fit what we do. Both buyers and sellers in a nutshell.
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jayu70 wrote:
tbhawksfan1 wrote:


Anything interesting? It's not available where I am. Possibly national security concerns :roll:

Trae's hammy was really a hip problem that trickled down
Goodwin would have been called up awhile ago if wasnt injured at start of preseason. Wanted him to get some games in GL br being called up.
Expectations for 2nd half of sesdon - continued improvements from the developing core.
Trade deadline - eveything on the table in terms of taking contracts for picks, longer term deals for our expirings if they really fit what we do. Both buyers and sellers in a nutshell.


Thank you Jayu. Sounds like a good plan to me
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Post#66 » by Jamaaliver » Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:57 pm

In what has been the Hawks’ most recent go-to starting lineup while everyone has been healthy — Young, Kevin Huerter, Reddish, Hunter and Collins — the Hawks have been a net positive of 8.4 points.
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Post#68 » by atlantabbq99 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:15 am

I hate LP as a coach. I think he just ends up yelling at the young guys rather then teaching them and encouraging them. I still prefer Budz. I think Budz is a great teacher, very patient and knows who to talk to young guys, just look at what he did with Kawhi, Tony Parker, Teague, etc.

Think Budz created a locker room where you feel comfortable in developing your game.

It feels like the Hawk have a dysfunctional locker room where they are only worried about their stats and minutes and not looking at the team or big picture and LP is big reason for this.
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Post#69 » by azuresou1 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:28 pm

I think our young guys have as a group developed significantly under LP. Trae is a budding superstar despite having an atrocious first half of his first season. JC is now an extremely well-rounded offensive player after being primarily a dunker his rookie year. Cam Reddish has steadily improved month after month; Huerter flashes some tremendous offensive potential when he is engaged.

Bud explicitly was not interested in sticking around for the rebuild so I don't see why we're talking about him. Crediting him for Kawhi's and Teague's development is also overly generous, considering Kawhi continued to get significantly better AFTER Bud left, and Teague was like 26-27 when Bud finally came to Atlanta.

I have seen nothing indicating the Hawks have a 'dysfunctional locker room,' and I think pinning the Hawks' defensive woes on LP is kind of silly when young teams are ALWAYS horrific on defense, we have no bench of any sort, and Trae/JC were always going to be defensive liabilities due to physical limitations.

All this doom and gloom is as silly as when people were ragging on KD/Seattle during KD's sophomore season.
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Post#70 » by jayu70 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:38 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:I hate LP as a coach. I think he just ends up yelling at the young guys rather then teaching them and encouraging them. I still prefer Budz. I think Budz is a great teacher, very patient and knows who to talk to young guys, just look at what he did with Kawhi, Tony Parker, Teague, etc.

Think Budz created a locker room where you feel comfortable in developing your game.

It feels like the Hawk have a dysfunctional locker room where they are only worried about their stats and minutes and not looking at the team or big picture and LP is big reason for this.

Bud had a veteran locker room and was trying to be in the playoffs every year. Kawhi and Parker had Pop and Tim Duncan.
LP has a bunch of inconsistent rookies, 2nd year players and useless vets on a rebuilding team.
Teague looks the same as he ever has - aggressive when he wants to be, indecisive the next.
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Post#71 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:53 am

atlantabbq99 wrote:I hate LP as a coach.

It feels like the Hawk have a dysfunctional locker room where they are only worried about their stats and minutes and not looking at the team or big picture and LP is big reason for this.


I understand the disillusionment with LP.

But it's difficult to deny the progress of guys like Trae, Cam, Huerter, Collins and D Hunter under him during the past 19 months.

Not to mention the fact the team is playing much better now than earlier this season.
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Post#72 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Feb 5, 2020 10:15 am

Eighth is...insulting TBH.

Ranking NBA's Best Young Cores Ahead of 2020 Trade Deadline

8. Atlanta Hawks

Star: Trae Young

Star Prospects: John Collins

Other Notable Players: Kevin Huerter, De'Andre Hunter, Cam Reddish

The Atlanta Hawks passed on Luka Doncic.

Now that that's out of the way, we can drool over one of the NBA's most hypnotizing offensive savants. In just his second season, Trae Young earned a starting place in the NBA All-Star Game. He ranks second in assists per game (9.0) and fourth in scoring (29.0 points per game). Young ranks in the 100th percentile in usage and assist percentage and owns the best offensive real plus-minus, per ESPN.

The future beyond Young is murky. Averaging 19.3 points and 10.2 rebounds in 30.5 minutes per game with 54.9 percent shooting, John Collins appears to be the Karl Malone to Young's John Stockton. However, his future could be limited in Atlanta. A 22-year-old with his upside should be untradeable, and yet the Hawks were reportedly interested in Clint Capela, among others.

Kevin Huerter has impressed and developed into one of the NBA's best shooters, hitting 39.9 percent of his threes on 5.6 attempts per game. He's been the perfect complement to Young, making 58.0 percent of his corner threes (97th percentile).

It's too soon to judge the fourth overall pick, De'Andre Hunter, who is being developed as a three-and-D specialist. High-volume scorer Cam Reddish has disappointed, as he ranks in the 4th percentile in effective field-goal percentage, including in the 20th percentile at the rim.
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Post#73 » by tbhawksfan1 » Wed Feb 5, 2020 10:44 am

Capela Added to Young core should move Hawks up a good bit
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Post#74 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:40 am

The 10 Most Promising Young NBA Players

4. Trae Young, G, Atlanta Hawks
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Trae Young evaluations are tricky. They almost force you into a discussion about what really matters in this sport.

If ESPN's real plus-minus metric can be taken as gospel, then you're looking at this season's best offensive player and worst defender. What's a player like that even worth? Clearly, we think quite a bit.

The name of the game is scoring, and Young is incredible at both converting scoring chances and finding them for his teammates. He's on course to become only the fifth player to average 29 points and nine assists and just the second to do so in one of his first two NBA seasons. He's also a unique sniper with the second-most makes on shots from 28-plus feet and an unbelievable 39.4 percent success rate on threes launched after at least seven dribbles.

Granted, this production is occurring on a not-good Hawks team. But that same squad is 7.0 points better per 100 possessions with him than without. And one could make a convincing argument that even if he lost some volume with a superior supporting cast, he might make up the difference with mind-numbing efficiency.

His handle and inside-the-gym shooting range remind you of Stephen Curry, and Young might edge the two-time MVP in playmaking (though Curry gets the nod in close-range finishing and all things defense). Young has more 40-point games before the age of 22 than anyone not named Kevin Durant or LeBron James.

This doesn't completely forgive Young's turnstile defense, but he's certainly one of this league's five most promising youngsters.


10. John Collins, F, Atlanta Hawks
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He debuted with 11 double-doubles en route to an All-Rookie second-team finish in 2017-18, and he's basically been a lock for 20 points and 10 boards per game since. His explosive athleticism makes him a premium close-range finisher, and he's getting more mileage from those springs on defense than ever before (1.7 blocks per game). He's also splashing better than one triple per night at a 35.2 percent clip.

Even before adding elements to his game, he was a magnet for easy buckets with his hops and soft hands. Effort was always a strength, and it's maximized by his jet propulsion and understanding of where and when to attack. He could hustle his way to near-star production, even if some of the numbers have received a bad-team inflation bump.

If Collins retains the gains he's made as a spacer and stopper, he might be a Chris Bosh 2.0 kind of building block. He won't be the best player on a great team, but he could costar for a good one and handle third-wheel duties for a juggernaut.
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Post#75 » by Gooner » Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:07 am

What's the ceiling for this team?
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Post#76 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:32 pm

Gooner wrote:What's the ceiling for this team?



right NOW, 2nd round of playoffs in the East if we're lucky.

But we have the ammo/cap space to add a top player in the near future. We're hoping to develop into a functional offensive juggernaut that can adequately defend enough to keep every game repetitive.
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Post#77 » by Gooner » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:38 pm

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Gooner wrote:What's the ceiling for this team?



right NOW, 2nd round of playoffs in the East if we're lucky.

But we have the ammo/cap space to add a top player in the near future. We're hoping to develop into a functional offensive juggernaut that can adequately defend enough to keep every game repetitive.


I'm thinking more about potential. It's an interesting young core, but even at this early stages, all this losing is worrisome.
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Post#78 » by King Ken » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:52 pm

Gooner wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
Gooner wrote:What's the ceiling for this team?



right NOW, 2nd round of playoffs in the East if we're lucky.

But we have the ammo/cap space to add a top player in the near future. We're hoping to develop into a functional offensive juggernaut that can adequately defend enough to keep every game repetitive.


I'm thinking more about potential. It's an interesting young core, but even at this early stages, all this losing is worrisome.

Too early too tell. I love our Cam and Trae, both will be our superstars. I want to see Capela. I think I like Hunter but he can be maddening of late. The book is still out on Collins and Huerter. I want Montrezl Harrell.

Ceiling is dynasty
Floor is first round exit type ****.

We honestly go as Cam Reddish goes but how we protect Trae Young is how fast we can turn this into a contender.

ETA: 2023 for now, if we get Harrell, 2022.
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Post#79 » by Gooner » Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:04 pm

King Ken wrote:
Gooner wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:

right NOW, 2nd round of playoffs in the East if we're lucky.

But we have the ammo/cap space to add a top player in the near future. We're hoping to develop into a functional offensive juggernaut that can adequately defend enough to keep every game repetitive.


I'm thinking more about potential. It's an interesting young core, but even at this early stages, all this losing is worrisome.

Too early too tell. I love our Cam and Trae, both will be our superstars. I want to see Capela. I think I like Hunter but he can be maddening of late. The book is still out on Collins and Huerter. I want Montrezl Harrell.

Ceiling is dynasty
Floor is first round exit type ****.

We honestly go as Cam Reddish goes but how we protect Trae Young is how fast we can turn this into a contender.

ETA: 2023 for now, if we get Harrell, 2022.


Is Harrell really needed with Collins and now Capela aswell? Someone like Gallinari would be a better fit for Atlanta, imo. Stretch 4 like that would be perfect.
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Post#80 » by King Ken » Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:11 pm

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King Ken wrote:
Gooner wrote:
I'm thinking more about potential. It's an interesting young core, but even at this early stages, all this losing is worrisome.

Too early too tell. I love our Cam and Trae, both will be our superstars. I want to see Capela. I think I like Hunter but he can be maddening of late. The book is still out on Collins and Huerter. I want Montrezl Harrell.

Ceiling is dynasty
Floor is first round exit type ****.

We honestly go as Cam Reddish goes but how we protect Trae Young is how fast we can turn this into a contender.

ETA: 2023 for now, if we get Harrell, 2022.


Is Harrell really needed with Collins and now Capela aswell? Someone like Gallinari would be a better fit for Atlanta, imo. Stretch 4 like that would be perfect.

Yes, the reason why is Collins still isn't the future. It's hard to build a team around Young. His defense is pure garbage. Collins defense is a tier above garbage and that's not good enough.

Guys like Gallinari fit better but the issue is, what's our starters of the future. I am struggling to see Collins and Trae defensive fit.

A stretch 4 would be perfect if that stretch 4 could defend his ass off and was effective at it.

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