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Reviewing the first (Half) of the Hawks Season
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:00 pm
by Jamaaliver
An abridged version of the article:
State of the Hawks: Thoughts and observations through 11 games
Young is a no-doubt All-Star candidate
I don’t know what else we can say about how incredible Young has been. He ranks in the top 10 in points and assists per game and has almost single-handedly willed the Hawks to a 4-6 record. Young has played at an All-Star level so far and almost certainly will be there if he continues the tear he has been on.
The Hawks need a reliable center
Imagine how good the Hawks would be if they had a center who could ease the pressure on Young when opposing teams blitz him. Instead, the Hawks have Alex Len, Damian Jones and Bruno Fernando.
Len has been horrible on offense. Jones has been fine on offense but has been a liability on defense. Fernando has looked lost more times than not and just isn’t ready to contribute at a high level. Especially in John Collins’ absence, the Hawks just don’t have a go-to option at the 5 right now, and it shows.
One of the quickest ways the Hawks can take a leap is to have a force at the 5, and that option isn’t currently on the roster.
A secondary initiator would do wonders
Imagine what this team could look like if Young had another initiator on the floor with him so he could run around and create catch-and-shoot opportunities for himself. If you want to talk about spacing and the dynamics of what the future Hawks offense looks like, it’s scary to think about when this happens.
The Hawks do have Huerter and Cam Reddish, who can grow into that role of secondary playmaker, but neither is at that level yet.
Reddish is a work in progress
It shouldn’t have been surprising to see Reddish struggle offensively after his only year at Duke, where he also struggled offensively to get anything going, but it has been disastrous on that end of the floor. Synergy ranks Reddish in the third percentile in points per possession. Out of 365 qualified players, Reddish ranks 355th.
On the positive side, Reddish has been great defensively. He ranks in the 75th percentile on that end of the floor and has been an excellent spot-up defender.
Bleacher Report
Re: Reviewing the first month of the Hawks Season
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:49 pm
by Jamaaliver
What's caught my eye and is a bit perplexing...
Our pace is much slower than last year's.
And our 3-pt shooting is much worse.
Why? How do we fix it? Is it even worth fixing?

Re: Reviewing the first month of the Hawks Season
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:22 pm
by King Ken
Jamaaliver wrote:What's caught my eye and is a bit perplexing...
Our pace is much slower than last year's.
And our 3-pt shooting is much worse.
Why? How do we fix it? Is it even worth fixing?

Usually rookies shoot better December and on so maybe
Re: Reviewing the first month of the Hawks Season
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:24 pm
by King Ken
I wasn't expecting Len to struggle. I had him on the high end with Parker to breakthrough.
The rest I expected but I did expect Cam to be much better offensively but I'll wait till December before I dog him out
Re: Reviewing the first month of the Hawks Season
Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:58 pm
by jayu70
Jamaaliver wrote:What's caught my eye and is a bit perplexing...
Our pace is much slower than last year's.
And our 3-pt shooting is much worse.
Why? How do we fix it? Is it even worth fixing?

Our pace is surprising, I keep watching and waiting for the pace to pick up. Maybe with having to play two rookies in the starting lineup slowed it? Trying to get the game to slow doen for them?
3 pt shooting, I see why - Huerter injury, Len has been awwwwful, missing JC, Cam on the struggle bus, Vince started badly and is now MIA. Bembry attempts are down which isn't a bad thing.
Fix - Crabbe should help, i think Hunter passes up open looks, if Cam can hit 1 per game I'd take it, Len looks so much better of the bench so maybe his touch from 3 comes back.
Re: Reviewing the first month of the Hawks Season
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:42 pm
by Jamaaliver
The one shining light in what's been a tough stretch thus far:
Re: Reviewing the first month of the Hawks Season
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:09 pm
by Jamaaliver
Re: Reviewing the first month of the Hawks Season
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:28 pm
by Jamaaliver
Re: Reviewing the first month of the Hawks Season
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:45 pm
by Jamaaliver
After the game, it took Pierce over an hour before he addressed the media, delayed by a team-talk in the locker room.
“Learning how to compete,” Pierce said about the post-game conversation, via Sarah Spencer of the AJC. “(That’s) kind of it. Learning how to compete, learning how to communicate, and what it takes to win in the NBA, what it takes to be a pro. ... If one of us isn’t there, then none of us are there. It’s all about us. We have to hold each other to a higher standard. One player being great and one player being poor means we’re poor. That’s just the way it is. That’s what ‘team’ is.”
PTH
Re: Reviewing the first month of the Hawks Season
Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:01 pm
by Jamaaliver
NBA Power Rankings
28. Atlanta Hawks: Previously 25
The Hawks rank in the bottom five in both offensive and defensive efficiency, and no, this isn't one of those situations in which they're actually half-decent with their best player on the floor and awful when he's not. Atlanta's net rating is actually lower in the minutes Trae Young plays.
With such a reliance on youth (rookies Cam Reddish and De'Andre Hunter have started since the jump, and Atlanta's top seven rotation players by minutes per game are 24 or younger), ugly numbers should be the expectation. But we've already reached the point at which long-term concerns are cropping up.
For example, Reddish is on pace to post a true shooting percentage under 40 percent on over eight field-goal attempts per game, which is practically unheard of in the modern era. The ball didn't go in for him enough at Duke, either, and we're seeing virtually all his predraft weaknesses manifest themselves during the first month of the season.
Atlanta has lost nine of its last 10 games.
Bleacher Report27. Atlanta Hawks (Previously 24th), 4-12 (-9.6 net rating)
Youth rears its losing head for the Atlanta Hawks. It was already asking a lot of this team to be good before John Collins was popped with a 25-game suspension. The Hawks got off to a great start and Trae Young was setting the world on fire. But the league has adjusted and the Hawks have fallen back down to earth. They’ve won just one of their last 10 games, and that was an overtime victory over Denver on the road. That was basically a coin flip for them and it just happened to come up tails for them. Everything else has been a disaster since they started that road trip. Their showing in Los Angeles was truly pathetic. Maybe it was just two of the best teams in the NBA imposing their wills on a young group of players without the tools to counter the greatness.
Maybe it was the Hawks enjoying the town that weekend with it being their only shot being in Los Angeles for the next five months. Whatever it was, they gave up over 270 points in two regulation games in LA, then followed it up with a competitive loss to Milwaukee and Toronto sandwiching an embarrassing loss to Detroit. The Hawks are really bad right now. They’ve been extremely sloppy with the ball, and they can’t seem to knock down a 3-point shot. I don’t know whom you put the onus on either. Lloyd Pierce has to be frustrated because everybody on the roster just needs to tighten up defensively, stop giving the ball away and make a jumper. The Hawks will find a groove again but it feels like all that early goodwill is long gone.
Why did the Hawks fall this week? They’re in a really bad way right now. The Hawks still have all of that glimmer and potential we love to project. But this is why the Hawks simply can’t be trusted when everybody on the court outside of Vince Carter and Evan Turner are so young and inexperienced.
The Athletic
Re: Reviewing the first month of the Hawks Season
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:22 pm
by Jamaaliver
I like the quote...just not the context.
(NOTE: Playing sports for millions is NOT the toughest battle.)
Re: Reviewing the first month of the Hawks Season
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:41 pm
by Jamaaliver
Whoo...just counting the days til Collins and Huerter come back.
Re: Reviewing the first month of the Hawks Season
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:44 pm
by Jamaaliver
Just hang in there, Hawks fans...
Re: Reviewing the first month of the Hawks Season
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:34 am
by VCfor3
This sucks, but maybe these early losses are how you guys barely miss the playoffs later and win a high enough lottery pick to get Wiseman. Then good luck to the other teams having to deal with Trae/Huerter/Hunter/Collins/Wiseman.
Re: Reviewing the first month of the Hawks Season
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:42 pm
by CP War Hawks
VCfor3 wrote:This sucks, but maybe these early losses are how you guys barely miss the playoffs later and win a high enough lottery pick to get Wiseman. Then good luck to the other teams having to deal with Trae/Huerter/Hunter/Collins/Wiseman.
Thx for the well wishes. Not sold yet on Wiseman, I know some of you in Mem have been keeping tabs on him, but he has to show me during conf. and tourny time.
It's been ugly but not that hideous. Schedule eventually evens out and two core guys return in a few weeks. Both teams don't meet until March, no telling how hard each team would be tanking by then unfortunately.
Re: Reviewing the first month of the Hawks Season
Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:49 pm
by VCfor3
CP War Hawks wrote:VCfor3 wrote:This sucks, but maybe these early losses are how you guys barely miss the playoffs later and win a high enough lottery pick to get Wiseman. Then good luck to the other teams having to deal with Trae/Huerter/Hunter/Collins/Wiseman.
Thx for the well wishes. Not sold yet on Wiseman, I know some of you in Mem have been keeping tabs on him, but he has to show me during conf. and tourny time.
It's been ugly but not that hideous. Schedule eventually evens out and two core guys return in a few weeks. Both teams don't meet until March, no telling how hard each team would be tanking by then unfortunately.
I've been keeping up with the University of Memphis and Wiseman and completely agree with you on not being totally sold on him. My problem is that I'm not really sold on the other guys either. Wiseman absolutely dominated when playing against far inferior teams so can't gleam a ton out of that. When he played Oregon, Oregon sold out to stop him and Memphis had trouble getting him the ball. He still made his presence felt, but not nearly to the level you'd expect the potential top draft pick to. Hopefully he gets plenty of development behind the scenes while he rides out his suspension and then shows out when it matters towards the end of the season.
These last two drafts have spoiled me ha. The season is still very young though so plenty of time for guys to stand out.
Re: Reviewing the first month of the Hawks Season
Posted: Sun Dec 1, 2019 4:28 am
by Jamaaliver
Re: Reviewing the first month of the Hawks Season
Posted: Sun Dec 1, 2019 6:09 pm
by EazyRoc
We have to do something about the center position. Nothing too desperate, but we have to add a solid athletic rim protector and a few more veterans to this team like a backup PG and another shooter. I get we are rebuilding but this is going to get ugly after a while IMO. The only way to stop this is to add more veterans. Competent veterans who can play 25+ minutes and set better examples for the young guys in practice and in games
I think you could add two of the three without necessarily taking us out of the lottery, but still give us a core of guys to help show these guys what it means to be a pro.
I’m not going to stop believing this young guys can’t turn it around by January or so, but I feel like adding some real veterans to this group would make a world of difference for their progress.
Re: Reviewing the first month of the Hawks Season
Posted: Sun Dec 1, 2019 9:56 pm
by CP War Hawks
2-13 for the month, absolutely difficult to even follow this team rn. Missing KH and JC equates to alot, along with the hellish schedule. Dec looks much better with a more manageable schedule.
Re: Reviewing the first month of the Hawks Season
Posted: Sun Dec 1, 2019 11:12 pm
by jayu70
4-16 in first 20 games. Same as last season.