Lloyd Pierce NOT currently on the Hot Seat

Post #1 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:19 pm

Sources: Hawks coach Lloyd Pierce not currently on hot seat

After suffering an embarrassing 23-point loss to the lowly New York Knicks on Tuesday night and falling to dead last in the conference standings, Atlanta Hawks head coach Lloyd Pierce is not on the hot seat, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Frustration in the locker room has been building for some time as teammates have complained to each other about selfishness, not putting in the necessary work to turn things around and players not being held accountable, sources told Yahoo Sports.

A true vocal leader who commands the respect of his peers is missing from the roster, sources said.

Pierce is in his second season as head coach and his arrival came with plenty of fanfare for his previous roles in player development and relationship building with other franchises.

But there is work that needs to be done to strengthen the connection with a few significant players, sources said.

Yahoo Sports

Post #2 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 7:36 pm

^I think this is the proper stance at this point in the season/process. You can't overreact and make a long term decision because of short term difficulties.

With that said...we gotta see some improvement in effort and defense sooner than later.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #3 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:18 pm

A guy in his 2nd year as a head coach, coaching a team full of 1st & 2nd year guys, while his 2nd best player has been suspended for 25 games should be on the hot seat?! GTFOH. Not only are his players developing, but he's still developing. It's not like he has immense talent to utilize on defense either.

We need a defensive anchor at center, and simple development from young guys like Cam & Hunter. Len should probably get more run over just play Jones, but I guess Jones gives more of an option to run the floor.

Maybe we see more Collins at 5, with Parker at 4, when Collins comes back. I mean having Collins in general should give us a major boost regardless.

The rooks aren't as far along as expected, but you can't truly be expecting another Trae Young type explosion anyway. Cam specifically was more of a long term investment to begin with. We could certainly use a big trade acquisition, but investing in the youth and allowing it to manifest into a deep, talented core, isn't a bad idea either. Just embrace the suck. This is year 3 of the rebuild.

jayu70 · Post #4 » by **jayu70** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:03 pm

Well that's stating the obvious. Travis gave him Evan Turner as his backup PG, Len and Jones at C. Crabbe was injured when he traded for him and Parsons was never going to be in the rotation. 42 year old Vince was to serve more in a mentorahip capacity and is being forced to log more minutes than expected because of Jon Collins' idiocy.....just saying.

shakes0 · Post #5 » by **shakes0** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:24 pm

If anyone should take the fall for this season it's Travis. He's the moron who put this roster together and decided we didn't need an NBA quality center or a back up PG.

Ghost999 · Post #6 » by **Ghost999** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:24 pm

I dont think he should be on the hot seat just yet. He has had tons of injuries to deal with along with JC being out for basically the entire year so far and a bunch of very young players to deal with. Also the backup pg and center positions are in dire need of an upgrade which falls on Schlenk. The rooks aren't doing that bad imho. Hunter has had some good games lately and reddish needs some time to develop but still not doing bad for a rookie. We'll see what happens once jc is back.

bigdavid · Post #7 » by **bigdavid** » Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:48 pm

Get blown out by the Knicks and play every player but Evan Turner who is a team player is a real put down. If Turner is disgusted who can blame him. Turner is in his last year of his contract and that's when players play the hardest for a new contract.
Pierce does not understand that.

kg01 · Post #8 » by **kg01** » Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:51 pm

bigdavid wrote:Get blown out by the Knicks and play every player but Evan Turner who is a team player is a real put down. If Turner is disgusted who can blame him. Turner is in his last year of his contract and that's when players play the hardest for a new contract.
Pierce does not understand that.

Wait, what happened with Turner? I keep seeing folks suggesting he's got a problem. Please give me a(nother) reason to hate him.

bigdavid · Post #9 » by **bigdavid** » Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:55 pm

kg01 wrote:
bigdavid wrote:Get blown out by the Knicks and play every player but Evan Turner who is a team player is a real put down. If Turner is disgusted who can blame him. Turner is in his last year of his contract and that's when players play the hardest for a new contract.
Pierce does not understand that.

Wait, what happened with Turner? I keep seeing folks suggesting he's got a problem. Please give me a(nother) reason to hate him.

He hasn't had a chance to play. Why hate him?

kg01 · Post #10 » by **kg01** » Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:10 pm

bigdavid wrote:
kg01 wrote:
bigdavid wrote:Get blown out by the Knicks and play every player but Evan Turner who is a team player is a real put down. If Turner is disgusted who can blame him. Turner is in his last year of his contract and that's when players play the hardest for a new contract.
Pierce does not understand that.

Wait, what happened with Turner? I keep seeing folks suggesting he's got a problem. Please give me a(nother) reason to hate him.

He hasn't had a chance to play. Why hate him?

Per my "research", the yahoo article about discord was based on words from Turner and Crabbe. The discord is basically those two and only those two. The young guys are focused on working to get better. Allegedly. So yes, we should hate him and his Benedict Arnold self.

shakes0 · Post #11 » by **shakes0** » Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:41 pm

bigdavid wrote:Get blown out by the Knicks and play every player but Evan Turner who is a team player is a real put down. If Turner is disgusted who can blame him. Turner is in his last year of his contract and that's when players play the hardest for a new contract.
Pierce does not understand that.

F*** Evan Turner right in the other ear! Who gives a flying F if he's upset. He sucks and has stolen more NBA money than just about any player in history. POS should have a permanent grin on his ugly face.

jayu70 · Post #12 » by **jayu70** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 4:23 pm

Read on Twitter

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Post #13 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 5:04 pm

^^From the article above:

“Lloyd is fine. Lloyd is not on the hot seat,” Schlenk said.

“I think more people are worried about me than I am,” Pierce said. “I took this job because I came from Philly, and I came from Philly where the situation pales in comparison to this. If Trae’s frustrated, guess what, I’m frustrated, too.”

Post #14 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:07 pm

More questionable coaching from Lloyd?

Read on Twitter

Post #15 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Mar 4, 2020 12:38 am

Watch on YouTube

Post #16 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Mar 4, 2020 1:35 am

Coach Lloyd Pierce Has One Year Left To Figure Out What Ails The Atlanta Hawks

One step forward, two steps back. It’s been the story of the Atlanta Hawks’ progress as a team over the past two seasons.

Read on Twitter

In his almost two seasons as the Hawks head coach, Pierce has a record of 48-97...it’s now likely that the Hawks will win fewer games this year than last. With the final year of his contract approaching, one could worry that players might start tuning Pierce out.

Despite the consecutive losing seasons, Pierce can point to the individual growth of several young players as progress. John Collins, Trae Young, Kevin Hueter, Cam Reddish and De’Andre Hunter have all made great strides in their short amount of time with the Hawks.

...patience is hard to sell to a fan base. It’s even more challenging to keep a young roster from splintering under the stress of consecutive losing seasons.

In the NBA, accountability starts with the head coach. Pierce must find some answers to what ails his young team. With little over a year remaining on his contract, his position in Atlanta might depend on it.

Forbes.com

Richfield · Post #17 » by **Richfield** » Thu Mar 5, 2020 2:47 pm

You can't say you "don't know how" to teach effort, as a head coach.

It's actually part of your job to know some things to say, some ways to practice, some good situations to put guys in to stay motivated, working hard, fighting for their minutes and for W's.

Not saying I have the answers for Pierce, just that it's his job to improve whatever the problems are. If he's waving a white flag I'd take that as a major red flag.

I don't know enough about the Hawks to say much, but I don't have any confidence in Travis Schlenk as a GM. I've only picked up impressions here and there the past few years, but still I don't understand how some of these guys get the job in the first place.

kg01 · Post #18 » by **kg01** » Thu Mar 5, 2020 5:05 pm

I think, if a coach has to coach effort, that's a problem with the player(s)not with the coach.

Be a freaking professional and have enough pride to not just let guys whip yer arse.

jayu70 · Post #19 » by **jayu70** » Thu Mar 5, 2020 7:50 pm

Richfield wrote:You can't say you "don't know how" to teach effort, as a head coach.

It's actually part of your job to know some things to say, some ways to practice, some good situations to put guys in to stay motivated, working hard, fighting for their minutes and for W's.

Not saying I have the answers for Pierce, just that it's his job to improve whatever the problems are. If he's waving a white flag I'd take that as a major red flag.

I don't know enough about the Hawks to say much, but I don't have any confidence in Travis Schlenk as a GM. I've only picked up impressions here and there the past few years, but still I don't understand how some of these guys get the job in the first place.

He's not waving any white flags. Sometimes a team just have such a bad game it's not wirth discussing.

Huerter...

Kevin Huerter was blunt in his analysis of the game.

“It can’t happen like that,” said Huerter postgame. “Obviously we laid an egg. We didn’t play defense. We didn’t get back. They killed us in transition. We couldn’t make a shot on the offensive end. There was nothing we did well tonight. We can have off-nights, but not that off. We expect to play better, especially at home. You never want to lose like that.”

Sometimes, players have to take ownership of not showing up ready and willing to play.

shakes0 · Post #20 » by **shakes0** » Thu Mar 5, 2020 8:13 pm

effort is something that usually ties into maturity. As players grow up they usually figure out how to play hard on every possession.

It takes a maturity and discipline to focus enough to put forth 100% effort on every play. For kids who are used to getting by based on superior skill and/or athletic ability this can be quite a shock to the system. But, most pros figure it out sooner rather than later. But, it is definitely something that young players can struggle with initially.

Games like tghe other night go a long way towards teaching young players how hard they need to play every possession.

How do you evaluate Lloyd Pierce's overall job performance so far?