Game Thread: Hawks @ Nets -- NY State of Mind

Post #1 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:07 pm

Atlanta visits Brooklyn following Dinwiddie’s 41-point game

Brooklyn hosts the Atlanta Hawks after Spencer Dinwiddie scored 41 points in the Nets’ 118-105 loss to the Spurs.

The Nets are 9-7 in Eastern Conference games. Brooklyn ranks second in the Eastern Conference with 52.1 points in the paint per game led by Kyrie Irving averaging 11.3. The Hawks are 3-14 in Eastern Conference play. Atlanta averages 17.2 turnovers per game and is 2-11 when turning the ball over less than opponents.

The teams meet for the second time this season. The Nets won 130-118 in the last matchup on Dec. 4. Garrett Temple led Brooklyn with 27 points, and Trae Young led Atlanta with 39 points.

LAST 10 GAMES:

Nets: 6-4, averaging 109.6 points, 51.1 rebounds, 24.7 assists, 6.7 steals and 4.7 blocks per game while shooting 44.5 percent from the field. Their opponents have averaged 107.1 points on 42.2 percent shooting.

Hawks: 2-8, averaging 110 points, 39.6 rebounds, 24.1 assists, 7.4 steals and 4.7 blocks per game while shooting 44.6 percent from the field. Their opponents have averaged 121 points on 49.2 percent shooting.

TOP PERFORMERS:

Dinwiddie is shooting 43.3 percent and averaging 22.1 points. Joe Harris is averaging 2.6 made 3-pointers and 15.6 points over the last 10 games for Brooklyn.
Young is averaging 28.4 points, 4.2 rebounds and 8.5 assists for the Hawks. Cam Reddish has averaged 1.6 made 3-pointers and scored 10.5 points over the last 10 games for Atlanta.

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ducler · Post #2 » by **ducler** » Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:31 pm

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Post #3 » by **HMFFL** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:06 am

Nice first half.
I hope we do just as good during the second half. Go Hawks!!

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Radioblacktive1 · Post #4 » by **Radioblacktive1** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:10 am

Don’t look now but we’re stomping these dudes. I’m trying not to get too excited because we’ve been here before but man a win before Collins comes back and bullies Cleveland would be magnificent.

Radioblacktive1 · Post #5 » by **Radioblacktive1** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:25 am

I hate basketball

Post #6 » by **HMFFL** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:26 am

Radioblacktive1 wrote:Don’t look now but we’re stomping these dudes. I’m trying not to get too excited because we’ve been here before but man a win before Collins comes back and bullies Cleveland would be magnificent.

Excitement deflated.
An overall good game but a disappointing end.

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Radioblacktive1 · Post #7 » by **Radioblacktive1** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:30 am

It just looked like somebody tearing the laces out of a shoe hole by hole with each cartoonish mistake. Cam HAS to hit those. He HAS to.

DirtybirdGA · Post #8 » by **DirtybirdGA** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:43 am

So hard to follow this team, doing so well only to choke it away.

CP War Hawks · Post #9 » by **CP War Hawks** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 1:57 am

Cam has this off season to gain some significant strength for me cause I'm ready to move on. Two UK guys there at the pick we could have used.

Deester11 · Post #10 » by **Deester11** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:14 am

CP War Hawks wrote:Cam has this off season to gain some significant strength for me cause I'm ready to move on. Two UK guys there at the pick we could have used.

Cam is my dude. It took Huerter 33 games to become a viable option. There is hesitation to throw it to him in the open because he has absolutely no confidence in his shot. The worst part is that he has none of the PG skills that he had in school. I mean, in HS, the guy could get to anywhere on the floor with his dribble alone.

I think a few things have set him Waaaay back. That AAU scene and Duke he became Robin to everyone else's batman. He's regressed alarmingly quick and he needs the G league. No offseason, Two weeks of training camp....he's not there.

All that said, I was hoping that there would be extreme moments of flashes...they are fleeting at this point.

Post #11 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:50 am

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King Ken · Post #12 » by **King Ken** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:52 am

I hate idiots. How do you **** blame Cam when Kevin ass struggled like hell on offense and was complete **** on defense? Cam did his damn job. Whoever he guarded got clamps put on them. Brooklyn literally attacked Kevin almost every possession in the 4th to great success. They didn't even attack Trae like that. It didn't matter if it was a switch or m2m. My **** goodness, you goofs are unbearable.

It's unbearable how much flack Cam gets when in general he played well. Ideally, it would have been better if he didn't lose the rock going 1v1 on Harris or made a contested three and his wide open ones but he didn't. Most of our players didn't in the 4th QT. Not even Trae but lets **** blame Cam who is one of the least players to blame in this one. There really was only one player getting abused and that was Huerter.

Radioblacktive1 · Post #13 » by **Radioblacktive1** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:07 am

Maybe relax. Huerter was awful too, nobody is putting all the blame on Cam. He missed open shots and has been before this. I was actually coming in here to say I wish he got more touches to warm up and get loose because he was ignored for a lot of possessions. Take a breath.

You can pick at mistakes made by damn near everybody in the stretch, especially Kev, but every criticism of Cam you’ve seen (at least from me) is clearly coming from wanting so bad for him to turn things around, not to just tear him down.

King Ken · Post #14 » by **King Ken** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:27 am

Radioblacktive1 wrote:Maybe relax. Huerter was awful too, nobody is putting all the blame on Cam. He missed open shots and has been before this. I was actually coming in here to say I wish he got more touches to warm up and get loose because he was ignored for a lot of possessions. Take a breath.

You can pick at mistakes made by damn near everybody in the stretch, especially Kev, but every criticism of Cam you’ve seen (at least from me) is clearly coming from wanting so bad for him to turn things around, not to just tear him down.

Cam didn't get lit up, it was Kevin. No one struggled as bad as Kevin did today but I seen Cam name in this thread and another and for what reason? His defense was damn good.

Damn near everyone missed open threes in the 4th on our team. Cam didn't miss one anymore egregious than the others. One of the three point attempts came from a bad pass from Trae Young due to DeAndre Jordan. But but but, you gotta make it though. Expecting Cam to make threes from bad passes just is strange when we know he is just starting to make them from good passes. Let's get real about this. We went 0-11 from three in the 4th. Everyone was bricking.

I think it's foolish to mention his name tonight as a special case when it was Hureter that single handedly lost this game with his matador defense

Deester11 · Post #15 » by **Deester11** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 4:40 am

King Ken wrote:I hate idiots. How do you **** blame Cam when Kevin ass struggled like hell on offense and was complete **** on defense? Cam did his damn job. Whoever he guarded got clamps put on them. Brooklyn literally attacked Kevin almost every possession in the 4th to great success. They didn't even attack Trae like that. It didn't matter if it was a switch or m2m. My **** goodness, you goofs are unbearable.

It's unbearable how much flack Cam gets when in general he played well. Ideally, it would have been better if he didn't lose the rock going 1v1 on Harris or made a contested three and his wide open ones but he didn't. Most of our players didn't in the 4th QT. Not even Trae but lets **** blame Cam who is one of the least players to blame in this one. There really was only one player getting abused and that was Huerter.

Who in the absolute H3LL is blaming Cam? Defensively, he's more than held his own. I'm the biggest fan of his on this board I'll bet, but don't act like he didn't contribute to the overall collapse in the 4th. He's got to hit open jumpers, he's got to drive better and he's got to be able to make teams pay for playing off of him. That's basketball 101. I DO AGREE ABOUT KEVIN. But I'm also of the mind that if I see extended minutes from Bembry again, it'll be too soon!

King Ken · Post #16 » by **King Ken** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:14 am

I just don't like he is getting blamed for this game when he was a big part of why we were up going into the 4th quarter. He even is getting blamed for Kevin's gaffe which you can't tell unless you watch the full play from Kevin rebound onwards that Kevin **** that up too. That pisses me off. I don't mind him getting killed when he deserves it but this is just another BS v. Cam who played very well till the 4th on both ends and very well on defense throughout the game. Thankfully the gametape is favorable but the social media world will kill him more than the others. It's maddening

Deester11 · Post #17 » by **Deester11** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:25 am

King Ken wrote:I just don't like he is getting blamed for this game when he was a big part of why we were up going into the 4th quarter. He even is getting blamed for Kevin's gaffe which you can't tell unless you watch the full play from Kevin rebound onwards that Kevin **** that up too. That pisses me off. I don't mind him getting killed when he deserves it but this is just another BS v. Cam who played very well till the 4th on both ends and very well on defense throughout the game. Thankfully the gametape is favorable but the social media world will kill him more than the others. It's maddening

Yeah, but this is the narrative of any Hawk. From Trae to Cam. I had an argument with a guy who went to the draft party with me where the entire arena was chanting for Cam and he's calling him a bust after 30 games! THIRTY!! Keep in mind that Huerter didn't even average double digit points until game 33. If you ask me, he needs to play and play a lot. He's unsure sometimes and that's the truth. He's a rookie playing meaningful minutes. I expect him to not be perfect. I defend every Hawk on twitter, etc until I"m left no choice. I don't place this loss on Cam entirely, but he was part of the issue in the 4th. Cam, Kevin, Trae, Bembry...all at some point were off. It happens.

King Ken · Post #18 » by **King Ken** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:40 am

Deester11 wrote:
King Ken wrote:I just don't like he is getting blamed for this game when he was a big part of why we were up going into the 4th quarter. He even is getting blamed for Kevin's gaffe which you can't tell unless you watch the full play from Kevin rebound onwards that Kevin **** that up too. That pisses me off. I don't mind him getting killed when he deserves it but this is just another BS v. Cam who played very well till the 4th on both ends and very well on defense throughout the game. Thankfully the gametape is favorable but the social media world will kill him more than the others. It's maddening

Yeah, but this is the narrative of any Hawk. From Trae to Cam. I had an argument with a guy who went to the draft party with me where the entire arena was chanting for Cam and he's calling him a bust after 30 games! THIRTY!! Keep in mind that Huerter didn't even average double digit points until game 33. If you ask me, he needs to play and play a lot. He's unsure sometimes and that's the truth. He's a rookie playing meaningful minutes. I expect him to not be perfect. I defend every Hawk on twitter, etc until I"m left no choice. I don't place this loss on Cam entirely, but he was part of the issue in the 4th. Cam, Kevin, Trae, Bembry...all at some point were off. It happens.

His defense really makes it impossible for me to blame him. Trae played good defense for his standards and outside of a few mistakes, he played a tremendous game. Bembry was bad in the 3rd and his lack of presence killed us till Trae came back in, in the 3rd. Kevin lost us the game, bar none. His ass was **** awful. Abused like a battered woman and offensively was tragic. His decision making was off as well. Cam had bad moments late but not really enough that really deserved more blame than others outside of Len and Trae.

Kevin should be exclusively getting killed and he's not. You keep trying to put names like Trae and Cam in the mix and those guys did there jobs for 95% of the game.

Deester11 · Post #19 » by **Deester11** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:50 am

King Ken wrote:
Deester11 wrote:
King Ken wrote:I just don't like he is getting blamed for this game when he was a big part of why we were up going into the 4th quarter. He even is getting blamed for Kevin's gaffe which you can't tell unless you watch the full play from Kevin rebound onwards that Kevin **** that up too. That pisses me off. I don't mind him getting killed when he deserves it but this is just another BS v. Cam who played very well till the 4th on both ends and very well on defense throughout the game. Thankfully the gametape is favorable but the social media world will kill him more than the others. It's maddening

Yeah, but this is the narrative of any Hawk. From Trae to Cam. I had an argument with a guy who went to the draft party with me where the entire arena was chanting for Cam and he's calling him a bust after 30 games! THIRTY!! Keep in mind that Huerter didn't even average double digit points until game 33. If you ask me, he needs to play and play a lot. He's unsure sometimes and that's the truth. He's a rookie playing meaningful minutes. I expect him to not be perfect. I defend every Hawk on twitter, etc until I"m left no choice. I don't place this loss on Cam entirely, but he was part of the issue in the 4th. Cam, Kevin, Trae, Bembry...all at some point were off. It happens.

His defense really makes it impossible for me to blame him. Trae played good defense for his standards and outside of a few mistakes, he played a tremendous game. Bembry was bad in the 3rd and his lack of presence killed us till Trae came back in, in the 3rd. Kevin lost us the game, bar none. His ass was **** awful. Abused like a battered woman and offensively was tragic. His decision making was off as well. Cam had bad moments late but not really enough that really deserved more blame than others outside of Len and Trae.

Kevin should be exclusively getting killed and he's not. You keep trying to put names like Trae and Cam in the mix and those guys did there jobs for 95% of the game.

Jeez. You must be jacked up on Mountain Dew. Not one post at least from me has picked on Cam, Trae or the like. People can and should point out whatever they feel regarding aspects of the game. That's the posts that i've seen. I'm a Cam fan. I'm neutral on Huerter until he stays healthy and plays defense. He got killed. There I said it. But the posts from other posters here allude to Cam needing to hit shots. That's a fact. That's not a bashing him thing. He's not solely the reason they lost but a few open shots change the trajectory of the game. That's a fact. Just like KEVIN...Just like Bem...whatever.

shakes0 · Post #20 » by **shakes0** » Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:32 am

King Ken wrote:I just don't like he is getting blamed for this game when he was a big part of why we were up going into the 4th quarter. He even is getting blamed for Kevin's gaffe which you can't tell unless you watch the full play from Kevin rebound onwards that Kevin **** that up too.

KK, in what world was that Kevin's gaffe??? Cam literally ran into the ball from behind while his teammate was dribbling up the court. Cam showed there that he somehow plays with his head down even when he doesn't have the ball! No excuse for running that close to the person dribbling up court. Yes, Kevin deviated his path and turned to the right a bit, but that's his right as the ball handler. The teammate coming up the court behind him needs to be conscious of that and give him a wide enough berth in case the ball handler decides to do just that.

Total bonehead play by Cam, one of the dumber plays I've seen on a basketball court this season, college or pro.