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The Next Phase in Trae's Development

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Post#21 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:53 pm

Trae Young’s quest to change his narrative could be the key the Hawks need

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Going into his third season, Young is positioning himself to be in the best shape he has been in to carry the Hawks into the postseason. Even with Young finishing in the top five in both points and assists, Atlanta only won 20 games and was the fourth-worst team. A lot of the team’s failures had to do with how it was constructed. Watching the playoffs after such a long layoff has given Young additional motivation to not be in this position again next year.

“I don’t ever want to not be in the playoffs again,” Young said Thursday.

There has been a cloud hanging over Young’s game as it is perceived by fans and some inside the league that what matters most to him are personal stats, which is an understandable observation from those on the outside. He frequently plays deep into blowout games, while some think he’s a chucker from deep 3-point range who only cares about being shown on highlights pages on social media, and he has been accused of hunting for assists.

“It’s so frustrating for me. I hate the narrative of just being a scorer, and my stats don’t mean anything. I don’t want that narrative where it’s like I’m all about stats because I’m not," Young said.

The truth of the matter is Young deeply cares what people think of his game, as do many other players his age and even older.

“It’s been this way since I was in high school,” Young said about why he thinks he continues to be doubted. "I play the game the way I know how, and it’s worked for me up until this point. Now I need to make it work and turn it around for this franchise and hopefully get us to the playoffs next year. That’s my main focus.”

He acknowledged that he has to get better on [the defensive] end of the floor. If he does, the floor of this team rises.

“It’s being in the best shape of my life to be able to play a lot of minutes and play with a lot of effort on both ends,” Young said. “That’s really it for me. It’s all about being in the best condition I’ve ever been in. I know on the defensive end it’s all about effort and being smart. I have one of them. It’s more about being in the best shape and being able to fight on both ends for a full game."

“Winning is my main key,” Young said. “Y’all will probably hear me talk about that all year when you ask me about individual things like stats and accolades. Y’all are going to get the same answer every time. My main focus going into my third year is winning. It’s always been my focus but it’s even more now more than ever. Watching these games has been tough just watching them and not being in that position. For me, that’s my main focus going into Year 3: winning and doing whatever I need to do to get us over the top and get into the playoffs.”
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Re: The Next Phase in Trae's Development 

Post#22 » by Spud2nique » Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:01 am

Jamaaliver wrote:
Trae Young’s quest to change his narrative could be the key the Hawks need

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Going into his third season, Young is positioning himself to be in the best shape he has been in to carry the Hawks into the postseason. Even with Young finishing in the top five in both points and assists, Atlanta only won 20 games and was the fourth-worst team. A lot of the team’s failures had to do with how it was constructed. Watching the playoffs after such a long layoff has given Young additional motivation to not be in this position again next year.

“I don’t ever want to not be in the playoffs again,” Young said Thursday.

There has been a cloud hanging over Young’s game as it is perceived by fans and some inside the league that what matters most to him are personal stats, which is an understandable observation from those on the outside. He frequently plays deep into blowout games, while some think he’s a chucker from deep 3-point range who only cares about being shown on highlights pages on social media, and he has been accused of hunting for assists.

“It’s so frustrating for me. I hate the narrative of just being a scorer, and my stats don’t mean anything. I don’t want that narrative where it’s like I’m all about stats because I’m not," Young said.

The truth of the matter is Young deeply cares what people think of his game, as do many other players his age and even older.

“It’s been this way since I was in high school,” Young said about why he thinks he continues to be doubted. "I play the game the way I know how, and it’s worked for me up until this point. Now I need to make it work and turn it around for this franchise and hopefully get us to the playoffs next year. That’s my main focus.”

He acknowledged that he has to get better on [the defensive] end of the floor. If he does, the floor of this team rises.

“It’s being in the best shape of my life to be able to play a lot of minutes and play with a lot of effort on both ends,” Young said. “That’s really it for me. It’s all about being in the best condition I’ve ever been in. I know on the defensive end it’s all about effort and being smart. I have one of them. It’s more about being in the best shape and being able to fight on both ends for a full game."

“Winning is my main key,” Young said. “Y’all will probably hear me talk about that all year when you ask me about individual things like stats and accolades. Y’all are going to get the same answer every time. My main focus going into my third year is winning. It’s always been my focus but it’s even more now more than ever. Watching these games has been tough just watching them and not being in that position. For me, that’s my main focus going into Year 3: winning and doing whatever I need to do to get us over the top and get into the playoffs.”
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Not getting into the bubble is a blessing in disguise I believe. It stings and it makes you wanna get into the playoffs and destroy anything and everything that’s in your way. :nod: NASSS WRIIIGHT!!!
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Post#23 » by Radioblacktive1 » Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:19 am

Almost brings a tear to your eye seeing Trae locked in like this.
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Post#25 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:41 pm

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Can a defensively struggling superstar lead an NBA franchise to playoff success? The Atlanta Hawks may find themselves betting on it.

Is a stout defense necessary for a team to succeed in today’s NBA? Or can a gargantuan offense prove enough to skirt the obligation of defending, even to the point where the typical blood-sweat-pain exchange for an opposing team’s empty possession gets punted?

The Atlanta Hawks may face a version of this question surrounding their young All-Star Trae Young. [L]acking even a respectable defense at this point...the Hawks finished with the NBA’s third-worst defense, posting a putrid 114.4 defensive rating. As a result, they ended the season 20-47, the fourth-worst record in the NBA.

At the helm of this flimsy jello wall is Young, a majestic offensive player, whose poor defensive reads and slight stature made him an obvious target at the other end. Young averaged 29.6 points and 9.3 assists per contest, but still managed to barely be a net-positive on the court, finishing the season with an Offensive PIPM of 4.93 and a Defensive PIPM of minus-3.69.

Per Basketball-Reference, the Hawks posted an egregious 118.1 defensive rating with Young on the court, but a 111.3 defensive rating with Trae on the bench. Atlanta could have been a top-20 defense without Young, which isn’t much but at least nearing the path to an identity.

It’s almost impossible to suggest a player of Young’s offensive caliber is a hindrance to this Atlanta team. Yet, even with Young on the squad, Atlanta ranked sixth-worst in the offense, with a 107.0 offensive rating. His defense may be sinking the team even further than his offense helps it.

Even if these Hawks reach the playoffs soon, Young will be shoved into enough pick-and-rolls to make his head spin — defensive weaknesses like his rarely survive a postseason without exposure. Young must eventually improve defensively to render the Hawks dangerous, even if this improvement is by a small margin...the Hawks must sign complementary defenders as early as this offseason. high-level defenders can cover for Young by fighting through picks or playing help-side defense.

The deck is stacked against Atlanta, as they are young and have a recent history of ineffectiveness. However, Young’s numbers suggest a truly elite offensive talent, one of the league’s best guards for years to come. A defensively-improved Young, combined with intelligent defensive signings may put the Hawks back on the map.
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Re: The Next Phase in Trae's Development 

Post#26 » by Jamaaliver » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:46 pm

Which NBA Players Under 23 Would You Actually Build Around?

Trae Young, Atlanta Hawks

Trae Young is the worst defender in basketball. That's not a hyperbolic jab; stats say it's the truth. He ranked dead last in ESPN's defensive real plus-minus, which is exactly where he finished 2018-19 too. Defensive box plus/minus is slightly more generous, as he's graded as the second-worst defender over the past two campaigns (minimum 100 games).

Admittedly, this is a strange place to start a discussion on why Young is worth building around. But the fact that he offers no more resistance than a wet paper bag and still finds his way onto the list—plus the All-Star roster—says everything you need to know about his offensive excellence.

He bends opposing defenses the same way Stephen Curry did during the Golden State Warriors' dynastic run of three titles in four years. Young isn't the next Curry, of course, but the former delivers a similarly enormous impact.
Young is the kind of shooting threat who must be monitored at all times once he crosses half court. It's not just that he can launch from the logo—it's that he's a pull-up threat from anywhere (2.6 pull-up triples per game) and one of the game's most prolific playmakers (17.3 potential assists per game, second only to LeBron James). His quantifiable influence is silly: Atlanta's offense was 15.5 points better per 100 possessions with him than without.

The defense is concerning, but the right roster can hide a lot of his shortcomings. What teams can't do is create a player nearly as lethal as Young on offense. This was his second season in the league, and he finished it ranked fourth in scoring (29.6) and second in assists (9.3). He is already unstoppable, so it will be incredible to see where the future takes the 22-year-old. Anyone running a front office should want to find out.
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Re: The Next Phase in Trae's Development 

Post#27 » by graymule » Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:32 am

:D

Simple solution, I believe. Get a very good back up for Trae and reduce his minutes per game. Why will this help? With less minutes, Trae will be more rested and he will not worry so much about fouling out. This alone makes for better defense from him.

That's one reason I want the Hawks to draft Haliburton. He can play some 2 guard with Trae and carry the Hawks from the PG position when Trae takes a rest. This should give Trae the off time he needs...

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Post#28 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:54 pm

Seth Partnow wrote:Trae Young: Next season will be a big year in the evaluation of Young. On one hand, he has unquestionably been an offensive force since entering the league. On the other, one has to wonder if the degree to which Atlanta has maximized Young’s output in its heliocentric system (Young was second in the league in total usage and offensive time of possession percentage last season, trailing only Doncic in both categories) overstates his impact to a degree. Atlanta’s team construction certainly benefits Young in terms of either RAPM — the lack of a competent backup can make a star player look even better due to the oversized drop off when he leaves the game — or PIPM, as that same heliocentrism allows Young the benefit of collecting as many of the “table stakes” stats that a team gets almost just for showing up.

Also, defense. In the 378 minutes qualifying players were considered for the tiers list, Young finished 377th in DRAPM and 378th in DPIPM. Those numbers will presumably improve some as the Hawks get better, both by putting better defensive talent around him and by reducing his offensive burden somewhat. One could also project that as Atlanta plays in a higher number of competitive games, more focus and attention to detail on that end of the floor will be required.

If this sounds like I’m hating on Young, it’s more that I’m explaining why a player who averaged 29 and 9 on above-average efficiency isn’t placed higher in this taxonomy. It’s not make or break time exactly for a player who just turned 22 in September. But at some point, the gaudy individual numbers do have to translate into team success, which doesn’t seem like too big an ask for a player with designs on the Top 20 or higher.
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Re: The Next Phase in Trae's Development 

Post#29 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:53 am

From The Athletic -- An anonymous agent's take on Atlanta and Trae next season:

Atlanta has to take another huge step. And their challenge, the way that Trae Young plays as an individual is phenomenal, but I don’t know that they’re going to win that way. And I don’t think he’s willing to change his game. It might be kind of like a James Harden thing. Trae made the All-Star Game, everyone likes watching him play, but does that translate into winning? And they’re a young team and they need to make a step up.

You have to have more balance. I’m old school. I don’t think you can win with one dude scoring 40 every game, without a real good balance. I mean, Michael Jordan scored 40 with the Bulls before they put other talent around him and he did change his game. He scored 60 against the Celtics. But you create more balance. George Gervin was one of the most prolific scorers ever but never won. Wilt Chamberlain was averaging 50 and the Celtics would always beat them. It’s more team basketball. There’s a balance between excellent individualism of one or two guys, blended in with more of a team.

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