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Could this successful retired coach be Lloyd Pierce's answer to Tex Winter?

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Could this successful retired coach be Lloyd Pierce's answer to Tex Winter? 

Post#1 » by _s_t_u_r_t_ » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:29 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Davey

Pierce came to the Hawks with a lot of talk about what a good developer of talent he is, and specifically was complimented regarding his ability as a defensive coach.

Somewhat expectedly (at least from my perspective), after two seasons, neither of those assertions have become proven science. In fact, for now, the evidence is very much mixed.

I'm one of those who is persuaded Pierce gets the full 2020-21 season as long as the team is a viable contender for a playoff spot. But if there comes a point at the 40 or 50 game mark that it is clear this team hasn't progressed to that degree after all, all bets are off, and I can easily imagine a HC with some pedigree replacing him.

But I like Pierce. I hope he succeeds, and I'd say that even if he were coaching another team, as long as it wasn't a conference competitor. So, I got to thinking, "What might he need at this stage from his staff that he doesn't seem to have?"

And the answer is, he doesn't have a Tex Winter. LP doesn't right now have that sage advisor that he can totally trust as his right-hand man. But theoretically, he does have a really good candidate in his and Steve Nash's old college coach, Dick Davey. Not sure he could coax the 78 year-old lifelong Californian to come work beside him. But it would be a welcome addition if he could.
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Re: Could this successful retired coach be Lloyd Pierce's answer to Tex Winter? 

Post#2 » by Nathan2331 » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:04 am

I'm not sure how Davey helps us now. He hasn't been coaching for 8 years, and scheme wise I don't know what he could offer us. Winter helped implement the triangle offense, we run similar stuff to what the rest of the league is doing. We're just not executing at a high level. That's not too say Pierce is infallible, but if we were to spend our cap space on good vets, I think we'd be a playoff team easy.

I also think it wouldn't have made sense to do that before though. Now that we know the baseline of what we have in Trae and John, our focus should next season should be integrating Capela and developing a secondary playmaker whether that is Reddish, Huerter or this years draft pick. I think we can accomplish that while competing for the 7 or 8 seed.
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Re: Could this successful retired coach be Lloyd Pierce's answer to Tex Winter? 

Post#3 » by _s_t_u_r_t_ » Sat Jul 18, 2020 3:08 am

I said "lifelong Californian," but I now stand corrected.

Per a podcast, I've learned that Davey lives in Hawaii these days, and spends his time playing golf when he's not doing some tournament (eg, Maui Classic) scouting work for some coaching friends.
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Post#4 » by _s_t_u_r_t_ » Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:03 am

While much has been made of Winter's specific contribution to Phil Jackson-coached teams as being the installer and resident expert regarding the triangle offense, it bears mention... and is really the heart of the point of this admittedly-out-of-left-field proposition to hire Davey... that Winter first made a name for himself as a successful college coach, and Bulls GM Jerry Krause made him his first hire under the premise that Winter would be the "coach of the coaches." Just as there is something valuable to an otherwise-good roster of players to have that Vince Carter or other senior member, the assertion goes that the same could be said for an otherwise-good staff of coaches. Even better for Pierce would be having that older ear and voice on his staff that he, especially, has respect for and can-say-anything-to-each-other-and-get-away-with-it relationship. I doubt that a 78 year-old living in Hawaii is actually going to jump at the chance, but I also wouldn't be surprised. Listening to him talk, it's clear that his love of the game runs very, very deep, and assuming the best on the covid front (which of course, is a lot to assume), it's not inconceivable that he'd say yes to a one year go of it.
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Post#5 » by _s_t_u_r_t_ » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:26 pm

Maybe not a "successful retired coach," but maybe, at least, a former NBA coach with obvious ties to LP, and who can be a Winter-like confidante???

One evidently will soon be available.

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Re: Could this successful retired coach be Lloyd Pierce's answer to Tex Winter? 

Post#6 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:49 pm

I'd tke any of these guys as a senior voice on Lloyd's staff...or even as special advisor.

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Post#7 » by jayu70 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:55 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:I'd tke any of these guys as a senior voice on Lloyd's staff...or even as special advisor.

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IIRC McMillan signed a 1 year extention
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Post#8 » by jayu70 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:57 pm

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Jamaaliver wrote:I'd tke any of these guys as a senior voice on Lloyd's staff...or even as special advisor.

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IIRC McMillan signed a 1 year extention

Well damn....never mind. A lot can hapoen in 2 weeks.

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Post#9 » by _s_t_u_r_t_ » Thu Sep 3, 2020 2:19 pm

Well, well, well.

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Post#11 » by _s_t_u_r_t_ » Fri Sep 4, 2020 12:36 am

https://nypost.com/2020/09/03/steve-nash-hired-as-nets-coach-should-not-come-as-big-surprise/

“He was fun to hang out with, fun to drink with, fun to converse with and fun to play with,” Pierce says.

“And what more would you want than that?”


Hmmm. Well. Funny you would ask. Evidently, there is something.

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Post#12 » by Nathan2331 » Fri Sep 4, 2020 12:39 am

I was today years old when I found out Jason Kidd was black.
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Post#13 » by _s_t_u_r_t_ » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:44 am

Just saw this. Maybe it's not just idle speculation to think Brown end up being invited to LP's bench. When you think about it, ATL makes for a nice gig while awaiting whatever is next, given the anticipation for a significant bump in W/L% in 20-21.

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