Peachtree HoopsState of the Atlanta Hawks: Wings
In a relatively short amount of time, Travis Schlenk (predictably) transformed the Atlanta Hawks roster from top to bottom. The wing position was no exception. Far from the days of now established veteran role players Kent Bazemore and Taurean Prince, Atlanta now sits with a trio of young wings that each feature their own brand of intriguing upside.
Kevin Huerter, De’Andre Hunter and Cam Reddish make up 60 percent of the fabled ‘Core Five’ that has been referred to immensely since the 2019 NBA draft. With the acquisition of Clint Capela, that seemingly now becomes a ‘Core Six.’ Assuming some of the Hawks’ cap space is spent on another wing, head coach Lloyd Pierce will potentially have the strongest and most versatile set of wings he has had since becoming head coach in Atlanta.
Kevin Huerter, SG, 22 years old, 2 years, $7.02 million remaining — RFA in 2022Spoiler:
De’Andre Hunter, SF/PF, 23 years old, 3 years, $25.01 million remaining — RFA in 2023Spoiler:
Cam Reddish, SF, 21 years old, 3 years, $15.08 million remaining — RFA in 2023Spoiler:
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Reddish undeniably has the highest ceiling among the three, and Hunter realistically has the highest floor.
But I believe the key to unlocking our offense at it's most lethal is to feature K Huerter in an off-ball role similar to Klay Thompson. Running him off screens for as many catch and shoot opportunities as possible. Especially in a lineup with Capela in the middle, we'll need as many great shooters as possible to keep the lane clear.
CC should be setting screens all day for Huerter, and KH should be abusing opposing defenses anytime he gets any daylight on the perimeter.
But I believe the key to unlocking our offense at it's most lethal is to feature K Huerter in an off-ball role similar to Klay Thompson. Running him off screens for as many catch and shoot opportunities as possible. Especially in a lineup with Capela in the middle, we'll need as many great shooters as possible to keep the lane clear.
CC should be setting screens all day for Huerter, and KH should be abusing opposing defenses anytime he gets any daylight on the perimeter.
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Cam could make it moot if he breaks through his ceiling which appears much higher than Heurter's. I'm also worried about Heurter's fragility. He needs to get stronger. Hunter looks totally high floor, but he might have more ceiling than some think.
I honestly can't answer your poll. I think all three are very important. The answer will inevitably be the highest ceiling. Good problem to have
I honestly can't answer your poll. I think all three are very important. The answer will inevitably be the highest ceiling. Good problem to have
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^I agree with all of this.
I just can't can't get past the possibility of Huerter and Trae as elite floor spacers for the next decade. Splash Bros East, baby!!!
I just can't can't get past the possibility of Huerter and Trae as elite floor spacers for the next decade. Splash Bros East, baby!!!
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I think they're all important, what we need is at least one of them to rise to the top, be the 3rd guy behind Trae and Collins.
I'm intrigued and excited by what each has to offer:
1. Heurter's shooting and ball handling next to Trae or when Trae sits is important, the biggest question is can he improve his defense enough to keep a hold of his starting 2 Guard spot.
2. Hunter 3nD potential is intriguing, and I also love that he can play PF in some lineups. His biggest question marks would be consistency all around and what else can he add to his offense to make him more versatile.
3. Reddish - the consensus is he has the highest ceiling of the 3. His defensive instincts and want to defend as a rookie was very surprising. The biggest question mark is can he maintain his offensive shooting that was trending up since the calender switched to 2020. I think/hope so. Can he also be that secondary ball handler.
They all have strengths and weaknesses so it'll be interesting to see which one adds to their strengths and limits their weaknesses to propel us into the next phase of the Hawks development.
I'm intrigued and excited by what each has to offer:
1. Heurter's shooting and ball handling next to Trae or when Trae sits is important, the biggest question is can he improve his defense enough to keep a hold of his starting 2 Guard spot.
2. Hunter 3nD potential is intriguing, and I also love that he can play PF in some lineups. His biggest question marks would be consistency all around and what else can he add to his offense to make him more versatile.
3. Reddish - the consensus is he has the highest ceiling of the 3. His defensive instincts and want to defend as a rookie was very surprising. The biggest question mark is can he maintain his offensive shooting that was trending up since the calender switched to 2020. I think/hope so. Can he also be that secondary ball handler.
They all have strengths and weaknesses so it'll be interesting to see which one adds to their strengths and limits their weaknesses to propel us into the next phase of the Hawks development.
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Peachtree hoops did the 'Bigs' State of the Hawks earlier:
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The Hawks should play out the season up until the trade deadline and see where we are before making any such trades. Unfortunately, injuries being a part of the game can happen.
They need to stop mentioning Reddish though.
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Quite frankly, I think Hunter is the odd man out here. Hunter's ceiling is what will keep him from getting paid in Atlanta.
Realisticly, aside from an overpay, Huerter can probably stick around a long time in Atlanta as a 6th man, microwave starter. Cam reaching his ceiling would make him a priority on the wings as a star player. He's probably going to have the longest leash depending on his growth.
The only thing is when to start prepping for one of them to leave.
Realisticly, aside from an overpay, Huerter can probably stick around a long time in Atlanta as a 6th man, microwave starter. Cam reaching his ceiling would make him a priority on the wings as a star player. He's probably going to have the longest leash depending on his growth.
The only thing is when to start prepping for one of them to leave.
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Geaux_Hawks wrote:Quite frankly, I think Hunter is the odd man out here. Hunter's ceiling is what will keep him from getting paid in Atlanta.
The only thing is when to start prepping for one of them to leave.
Long-term, if Huerter is the 6th man, why would Hunter have to leave? He ain't getting a max deal, and he can play both PF and SF effectively.
Okongwu
Collins
Hunter
Reddish
Trae
Huerter off the bench.
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Jamaaliver wrote:Geaux_Hawks wrote:Quite frankly, I think Hunter is the odd man out here. Hunter's ceiling is what will keep him from getting paid in Atlanta.
The only thing is when to start prepping for one of them to leave.
Long-term, if Huerter is the 6th man, why would Hunter have to leave? He ain't getting a max deal, and he can play both PF and SF effectively.
Okongwu
Collins
Hunter
Reddish
Trae
Huerter off the bench.
More or less the assumption that Trae is going to be paid max money, depending on Reddish situation, he might get paid a hefty amount, and assuming in the situation Collins is still here, well he obviously got paid as well. Not sure if the team will want to pay 4 guys big money, and still hope to have a solid bench with Huerter on it too.
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Geaux_Hawks wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Geaux_Hawks wrote:Quite frankly, I think Hunter is the odd man out here. Hunter's ceiling is what will keep him from getting paid in Atlanta.
The only thing is when to start prepping for one of them to leave.
Long-term, if Huerter is the 6th man, why would Hunter have to leave? He ain't getting a max deal, and he can play both PF and SF effectively.
Okongwu
Collins
Hunter
Reddish
Trae
Huerter off the bench.
More or less the assumption that Trae is going to be paid max money, depending on Reddish situation, he might get paid a hefty amount, and assuming in the situation Collins is still here, well he obviously got paid as well. Not sure if the team will want to pay 4 guys big money, and still hope to have a solid bench with Huerter on it too.
If the Hawks are winning, Ressler has to be prepared to spend. If they are good enough they'll get paid.
I say we have 2 years to figure out what happens with Huerter, Reddish and Hunter. Trae will have signed his early rookie extention, Collins extended (after the Bogi deal). Assuming no trades:
In 2 years Gallo and Capela will both have 1 year left, Rondo and Dunn expired. Bogi with 1+1 left (if he signs).
Huerter will be a RFA - will he be a super sub or will he be to us what Bogi is the Sac, looking to move on for a starting spot. This year will tell a lot.
Reddish and Hunter will be eligible for early rookie extensions if they have been GOOD ENOUGH. If not they'll both hit RFA or we trade 1 or both like we did with Prince.
We have to let it play out before doing anything rash or making too many assumptions.
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One day at a time folks.
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jayu70 wrote:If the Hawks are winning, Ressler has to be prepared to spend. If they are good enough they'll get paid.
I say we have 2 years to figure out what happens with Huerter, Reddish and Hunter. Trae will have signed his early rookie extention, Collins extended (after the Bogi deal). Assuming no trades:
In 2 years Gallo and Capela will both have 1 year left, Rondo and Dunn expired. Bogi with 1+1 left (if he signs).
Huerter will be a RFA - will he be a super sub or will he be to us what Bogi is the Sac, looking to move on for a starting spot. This year will tell a lot.
Reddish and Hunter will be eligible for early rookie extensions if they have been GOOD ENOUGH. If not they'll both hit RFA or we trade 1 or both like we did with Prince.
We have to let it play out before doing anything rash or making too many assumptions.
Don't get me wrong, I understand we could definitely wait on making moves, but over the years, I have come to the realization that you can't always hold onto the very last minute. Let's be honest, we have a glut of good assets at this point, and that's an amazing thing to have, but I'm concerned about wasting those assets or really just not getting the most out of those assets. I will go deeper into my concerns here.
I'm not the biggest fan of John Collins as a max or near max contract. Neither am I the biggest fan of him being worth the long term investment. He's a 5 masquerading as a 4 with not so good defense at either spot. OO and Gallo makes me feel the FO have a similar mindset on this.
With the moves we've made, I would rather move Gallo to the 4, and let the wing rotation be a 4 man show between Boggs, KH, Hunter, and Reddish. Bruno doesn't cede minutes as he's the primary backup at the 5. OO still has the ability develop his game. You could still have Hunter split time at the 4 even.
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Geaux_Hawks wrote:jayu70 wrote:If the Hawks are winning, Ressler has to be prepared to spend. If they are good enough they'll get paid.
I say we have 2 years to figure out what happens with Huerter, Reddish and Hunter. Trae will have signed his early rookie extention, Collins extended (after the Bogi deal). Assuming no trades:
In 2 years Gallo and Capela will both have 1 year left, Rondo and Dunn expired. Bogi with 1+1 left (if he signs).
Huerter will be a RFA - will he be a super sub or will he be to us what Bogi is the Sac, looking to move on for a starting spot. This year will tell a lot.
Reddish and Hunter will be eligible for early rookie extensions if they have been GOOD ENOUGH. If not they'll both hit RFA or we trade 1 or both like we did with Prince.
We have to let it play out before doing anything rash or making too many assumptions.
Don't get me wrong, I understand we could definitely wait on making moves, but over the years, I have come to the realization that you can't always hold onto the very last minute. Let's be honest, we have a glut of good assets at this point, and that's an amazing thing to have, but I'm concerned about wasting those assets or really just not getting the most out of those assets. I will go deeper into my concerns here.
I'm not the biggest fan of John Collins as a max or near max contract. Neither am I the biggest fan of him being worth the long term investment. He's a 5 masquerading as a 4 with not so good defense at either spot. OO and Gallo makes me feel the FO have a similar mindset on this.
With the moves we've made, I would rather move Gallo to the 4, and let the wing rotation be a 4 man show between Boggs, KH, Hunter, and Reddish. Bruno doesn't cede minutes as he's the primary backup at the 5. OO still has the ability develop his game. You could still have Hunter split time at the 4 even.
And all that's fair, and as much as I love the Gallo signing I'm not willing to bank on a 32 year old with injury concerns as the long term answer at PF in a season where the primary focus is making the playoffs.
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Maybe do the cap thing and leave the basketball decisions to the big BOYS! {throws tomato}
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CBS SportsEye on: Cam Reddish
A lot of people like to talk about Trae Young as the guy the Hawks traded Luka Doncic for, but that's not true. They traded the right to Doncic for Young AND Cam Reddish, who represents the additional lottery pick Dallas put in the deal. It's a tough sell, in hindsight, to justify trading Luka for any kind of package, but if Reddish doesn't turn out to be something really good, this is going to go down as a pretty disastrous trade for the Hawks. That's not a knock on Young. Luka is just otherworldly.
As stated above, Reddish made a lot of strides over the course of his rookie season, which began as a mess. So far in the preseason, Reddish has shown a lot of really good flashes, looking natural pulling up for his jumper, even from two or three feet beyond the arc, and he's been OK initiating offense. He needs to get better there. Sometimes he looks like he doesn't want any part of the ball, slow to react, unsure of himself, and his handle in traffic can be pretty iffy.
To me, this is all confidence. Comfort. Success breeds that. Reddish needs to feel good about himself on the court more than anything. If he can get off to a good start and roll that momentum into a major role for what could be a playoff team in just his second season, that Luka trade won't look so bad.