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Jamaaliver wrote:Yikes...kinda sad.

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I mean, we had a 25 year head start on MIami, Orlando and Toronto and they all at least made the NBA Finals.

Are Hornets and Hawks only franchises in the East not to make an NBA Finals?

NBA conference finals winners and losers

Before we proceed to the NBA Finals, let's take a look back at an intriguing set of conference finals matchups

Winner: Trae Young

Young's unbelievable playoff debut came to an inauspicious end due to a freak injury, but he provided one of the signature performances of this postseason with a 48-point, 11-assist, seven-rebound outburst in a 116-113 Game 1 win over the Bucks to kick off the Eastern Conference finals. He did it with typical Trae Young flair, throwing an off-the-backboard lob to John Collins, then hitting the Bucks with the "shimmy heard round the world" before swishing a wide-open 3-pointer late in the third quarter.

At just 22 years old, this likely won't be Young's last big playoff run. That Game 1 spectacle is what fans and analysts will look back on as the moment he arrived on the postseason stage, and it sure was fun to watch it live.


Loser: Kevin Huerter

You hate to call Huerter a loser after all he did for this team during the postseason, but he had a rough conference finals. He shot just 34 percent from the field and went 10-for-38 (26 percent) from 3-point range against the Bucks after shooting 48 percent from the field and 40 percent from 3-point range in the playoffs prior to the series. Not only did he struggle offensively, but he also became a frequent target of Khris Middleton and Jrue Holiday, who consistently bullied their way to the basket. Huerter was a huge part of the Hawks' success this postseason, but the conference finals weren't his brightest moment.

Jamaaliver wrote:

NBA conference finals winners and losers

Before we proceed to the NBA Finals, let's take a look back at an intriguing set of conference finals matchups

Winner: Trae Young

Young's unbelievable playoff debut came to an inauspicious end due to a freak injury, but he provided one of the signature performances of this postseason with a 48-point, 11-assist, seven-rebound outburst in a 116-113 Game 1 win over the Bucks to kick off the Eastern Conference finals. He did it with typical Trae Young flair, throwing an off-the-backboard lob to John Collins, then hitting the Bucks with the "shimmy heard round the world" before swishing a wide-open 3-pointer late in the third quarter.

At just 22 years old, this likely won't be Young's last big playoff run. That Game 1 spectacle is what fans and analysts will look back on as the moment he arrived on the postseason stage, and it sure was fun to watch it live.


Loser: Kevin Huerter

You hate to call Huerter a loser after all he did for this team during the postseason, but he had a rough conference finals. He shot just 34 percent from the field and went 10-for-38 (26 percent) from 3-point range against the Bucks after shooting 48 percent from the field and 40 percent from 3-point range in the playoffs prior to the series. Not only did he struggle offensively, but he also became a frequent target of Khris Middleton and Jrue Holiday, who consistently bullied their way to the basket. Huerter was a huge part of the Hawks' success this postseason, but the conference finals weren't his brightest moment.

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Galloisdaman wrote:

Jamaaliver wrote:

NBA conference finals winners and losers

Before we proceed to the NBA Finals, let's take a look back at an intriguing set of conference finals matchups

Winner: Trae Young

Young's unbelievable playoff debut came to an inauspicious end due to a freak injury, but he provided one of the signature performances of this postseason with a 48-point, 11-assist, seven-rebound outburst in a 116-113 Game 1 win over the Bucks to kick off the Eastern Conference finals. He did it with typical Trae Young flair, throwing an off-the-backboard lob to John Collins, then hitting the Bucks with the "shimmy heard round the world" before swishing a wide-open 3-pointer late in the third quarter.

At just 22 years old, this likely won't be Young's last big playoff run. That Game 1 spectacle is what fans and analysts will look back on as the moment he arrived on the postseason stage, and it sure was fun to watch it live.


Loser: Kevin Huerter

You hate to call Huerter a loser after all he did for this team during the postseason, but he had a rough conference finals. He shot just 34 percent from the field and went 10-for-38 (26 percent) from 3-point range against the Bucks after shooting 48 percent from the field and 40 percent from 3-point range in the playoffs prior to the series. Not only did he struggle offensively, but he also became a frequent target of Khris Middleton and Jrue Holiday, who consistently bullied their way to the basket. Huerter was a huge part of the Hawks' success this postseason, but the conference finals weren't his brightest moment.

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I hope I do not get bashed too hard but I disagree with this summary. I did not think Trae played well in the Bucks series (great game 1). I thought Trae made two games (2 and 5) near unwinnable in the Bucks series. It seemed like Trae had as many turnovers as assists in that series. I think Trae was great vs NY. I thought Trae declined but was still very good vs the 76ers. I just think he declined vs the Bucks. It is understandable as his first playoffs.

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Galloisdaman wrote:

Jamaaliver wrote: CBS Sports

I hope I do not get bashed too hard but I disagree with this summary. I did not think Trae played well in the Bucks series (great game 1). I thought Trae made two games (2 and 5) near unwinnable in the Bucks series. It seemed like Trae had as many turnovers as assists in that series. I think Trae was great vs NY. I thought Trae declined but was still very good vs the 76ers. I just think he declined vs the Bucks. It is understandable as his first playoffs.

Trae is the only reason Hawks won game 1. He played terrible in game 2. He played great in game 3 and then got hurt. He didn't play in game 4 or 5. Holding game 6 against him is completely disingenuous since he was OBVIOUSLY hurt. In retrospect the team screwed up giving him the start in that game and shouldn't saved him for the second half if at all, but you can't hold that against Trae. Any player with any sort of heart is going to insist on playing through pain and suiting up for that game. So Trae played 2.5 games healthy in that series and was phenomenal in 1, bad in 1 and great in the other. So yea, he definitely played well overall in that series.

Also Trae averaged 30/10 in the Philly series so get out with that nonsense that he declined in that series vs how he played vs NYK.

Galloisdaman wrote:

shakes0 wrote:

Galloisdaman wrote:

I hope I do not get bashed too hard but I disagree with this summary. I did not think Trae played well in the Bucks series (great game 1). I thought Trae made two games (2 and 5) near unwinnable in the Bucks series. It seemed like Trae had as many turnovers as assists in that series. I think Trae was great vs NY. I thought Trae declined but was still very good vs the 76ers. I just think he declined vs the Bucks. It is understandable as his first playoffs.

Trae is the only reason Hawks won game 1. He played terrible in game 2. He played great in game 3 and then got hurt. He didn't play in game 4 or 5. Holding game 6 against him is completely disingenuous since he was OBVIOUSLY hurt. In retrospect the team screwed up giving him the start in that game and shouldn't saved him for the second half if at all, but you can't hold that against Trae. Any player with any sort of heart is going to insist on playing through pain and suiting up for that game. So Trae played 2.5 games healthy in that series and was phenomenal in 1, bad in 1 and great in the other. So yea, he definitely played well overall in that series.

Also Trae averaged 30/10 in the Philly series so get out with that nonsense that he declined in that series vs how he played vs NYK.

I agree (and said in my post) Trae had a great game 1. I also agree that part of his game 6 play can be partially attributed to injury (or rust) and that was a coaching call. Nothing I said was disingenuous. That implies I was insincere. It was my honest opinion. You are free to disagree but I was being honest in my opinion. I both praised the good and noted the bad for Trae and other Hawks. His play this regular season was a huge step up in part because he was making better decisions with the ball via passing vs shooting. I think that took a step back vs the Bucks. I think his turnovers vs assists were an indicator of that. I said he declined vs the 76ers but was still very good. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging the good and the bad.

shakes0 wrote:

Galloisdaman wrote:

shakes0 wrote:

Trae is the only reason Hawks won game 1. He played terrible in game 2. He played great in game 3 and then got hurt. He didn't play in game 4 or 5. Holding game 6 against him is completely disingenuous since he was OBVIOUSLY hurt. In retrospect the team screwed up giving him the start in that game and shouldn't saved him for the second half if at all, but you can't hold that against Trae. Any player with any sort of heart is going to insist on playing through pain and suiting up for that game. So Trae played 2.5 games healthy in that series and was phenomenal in 1, bad in 1 and great in the other. So yea, he definitely played well overall in that series.

Also Trae averaged 30/10 in the Philly series so get out with that nonsense that he declined in that series vs how he played vs NYK.

I agree (and said in my post) Trae had a great game 1. I also agree that part of his game 6 play can be partially attributed to injury (or rust) and that was a coaching call. Nothing I said was disingenuous. That implies I was insincere. It was my honest opinion. You are free to disagree but I was being honest in my opinion. I both praised the good and noted the bad for Trae and other Hawks. His play this regular season was a huge step up in part because he was making better decisions with the ball via passing vs shooting. I think that took a step back vs the Bucks. I think his turnovers vs assists were an indicator of that. I said he declined vs the 76ers but was still very good. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging the good and the bad.

Your honest opinion is objectively wrong though. He didn't decline in the Philly series and he didn't take a step back in the Bucks series. Not sure how someone with an honest opinion can say otherwise.

Galloisdaman wrote:

shakes0 wrote:

Galloisdaman wrote:I agree (and said in my post) Trae had a great game 1. I also agree that part of his game 6 play can be partially attributed to injury (or rust) and that was a coaching call. Nothing I said was disingenuous. That implies I was insincere. It was my honest opinion. You are free to disagree but I was being honest in my opinion. I both praised the good and noted the bad for Trae and other Hawks. His play this regular season was a huge step up in part because he was making better decisions with the ball via passing vs shooting. I think that took a step back vs the Bucks. I think his turnovers vs assists were an indicator of that. I said he declined vs the 76ers but was still very good. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging the good and the bad.

Your honest opinion is objectively wrong though. He didn't decline in the Philly series and he didn't take a step back in the Bucks series. Not sure how someone with an honest opinion can say otherwise.

Can't people honestly disagree? I disagreed about Trae in the Bucks series but I would not say you are being disingenuous just because you have a different opinion.

Vs Knicks 49 assists/15 turnover/ 44%fg/34% 3pt
VS 76ers 76 assists/25 turnover/ 39%fg/32% 3pt
Vs Bucks 27 assists/24 turnover/ 43fg%/26% 3pt

shakes0 wrote:

Galloisdaman wrote:

shakes0 wrote:

Your honest opinion is objectively wrong though. He didn't decline in the Philly series and he didn't take a step back in the Bucks series. Not sure how someone with an honest opinion can say otherwise.

Can't people honestly disagree? I disagreed about Trae in the Bucks series but I would not say you are being disingenuous just because you have a different opinion.

Vs Knicks 49 assists/15 turnover/ 44%fg/34% 3pt
VS 76ers 76 assists/25 turnover/ 39%fg/32% 3pt
Vs Bucks 27 assists/24 turnover/ 43fg%/26% 3pt

I'm sorry, but saying that Trae played poorly vs Milwaukee when he only played in 2.5 games and was phenomenal in one, bad in one and great in the half of one and then using stats from the parts of games when he was clearly playing hurt to enforce your opinion is disingenuous to me.

Using raw FG% to support your opinion without accounting for context (sole focus of defense, being guarded by several all defensive players, having to do more because teammates weren't stepping up) is disingenuous.

This is the kind of crap I expect on the general board, not on the ATL board.