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The continued evolution of John Collins (Part 1)

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The continued evolution of John Collins (Part 1) 

Post#1 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Nov 8, 2021 10:32 pm

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Post#2 » by jayu70 » Thu Nov 11, 2021 3:02 pm

I don't understand how they have not been able to design specific play calls for a guy as efficient as JC. I just don't get it.

3. John Collins needs to be more involved
Collins has arguably been the most consistent player for the Hawks on both ends of the floor to start the season. Offensively, he’s shooting 58 percent from the floor, 45 percent from 3, 82 percent from the free throw line, and his passing ability has noticeably improved. And yet, there are too many games where he’s just not involved in the offense. I have no explanation as to why he’s averaging 0.3 more shot attempts per game than Cam Reddish who plays 8 fewer minutes than Collins. It makes no sense to me, and it’s truly baffling.

The game against Golden State, Collins started the first half 6-of-6 from the floor and had 18 points. He finished 6-of-7 from the floor, even though the Warriors had no answer for him offensively. Even when Golden State started trapping Young and going to a box-and-one to get the ball out of his hands, it still somehow didn’t find its way into the team’s most efficient offensive player.

“It’s always tough to analyze what’s the right way to approach shot attempts,” Collins said after the Warriors loss. “We got a lot of guys on this team who can produce, add value on the offensive end and play well. I was trying to do my best to play my game while allowing others to eat as necessary because if I’m out there worried about shot attempts, I’m not playing the right way. But I also think that you work somebody in that was hot into the game. But I’m never a guy that’s worried about shot attempts. I’m worried about flow and just winning the game and sometimes shot attempts are tricky.”

Since the Lloyd Pierce days, Collins’ involvement in the offense has fluctuated it seems night-to-night. Both Pierce and McMillan have both said that they do not call many, if any, specific plays for Collins. While Collins is involved in the pick-and-roll with Young, most of his offensive game is mainly just in the flow of the game whereas others do have set actions that they’re running to get them open looks. :nonono: :nonono:

It just seems like it would behoove the Hawks to find a way to feature him more often when he’s playing as efficiently as he is on all three levels. I’ve said it before and I’ll continue saying it, the Hawks’ offensive hierarchy should be Young and then Collins. What’s left after that should go to the hottest shooter out of Bogdan Bogdanovic, Kevin Huerter, De’Andre Hunter and Cam Reddish.

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Post#4 » by DirtybirdGA » Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:01 pm

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We need to up his 17.7% usage rate.
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Post#7 » by D21 » Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:24 am

Not a fan of PER alone, but I've checked it and last season to this one :
John from 20 to 21.3
Trae from to 23 to 21.4
Clint from 24.4 to 18.1
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Re: The continued evolution of John Collins (Part 1) 

Post#8 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:25 am

This dude just keeps getting better. He's moved up my list of all time favorite Hawks...almost in the top 5.

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Post#9 » by GreatWhiteStiff » Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:47 pm

He seems to be reducing turnovers year to year. It's odd his nearly 24 points per 36 in his second year was his highest, and his usage is either stagnant or slightly in reverse/decline. Getting assists with barely any turnovers is impressive.

An offensive rating of 130 is pretty incredible and without being great from three, or even making a high percentage of free throws.

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Post#11 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Nov 18, 2021 8:11 pm

The wording of that tweet is extremely confusing, but I sounds as if JC is taking up the challenge on defense regardless of the matchups. Good on him.

PS I’m gonna start ‘scram-ing’ kg and Spud on defense when they start bothering me. :falloff:

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Post#14 » by FroButtons » Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:48 pm

This man's popcorn stats do not do him justice. Regardless, I'm glad he's starting to be recognized as a more complete player that contributes to winning games as opposed to just a stat machine on a bad team. It's been fun to watch his progression.
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Post#16 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:38 pm

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If the Hawks have a winning record when the time comes, John Collins seems like a shoo-in to be selected as an All Star by the coaches.

The stat above makes it almost impossible to look past him.

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