Anthony Davis?

shagadelic45 · Post #1 » by **shagadelic45** » Fri May 13, 2022 7:22 pm

What would you deal for AD?

What would you add as sweetener in the following scenario:

AD

for

Huerter, Collins, ?????

1 First? 2 firsts? 2 firsts and some seconds? 3 firsts (including the protected CHA pick)? A different combination?

hawks_fan25 · Post #2 » by **hawks_fan25** » Fri May 13, 2022 7:39 pm

It'd cost too much. I'm guessing the price for KAT would be similar to the one for AD and I'd much rather trade for KAT.

shagadelic45 · Post #3 » by **shagadelic45** » Fri May 13, 2022 8:28 pm

hawks_fan25 wrote:It'd cost too much. I'm guessing the price for KAT would be similar to the one for AD and I'd much rather trade for KAT.

i don't think MN is trading KAT though..

atlantabbq99 · Post #4 » by **atlantabbq99** » Sat May 14, 2022 12:58 am

Collins and extras, but i wouldn't go too crazy and over bid if other teams get involved.

I would try to keep Trae, Cap, Hunter, and Bogs.

Second trading piece could be Huerter, Okongwu, Jalen, or Cooper

Post #5 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat May 14, 2022 3:00 am

shagadelic45 wrote:What would you deal for AD?

What would you add as sweetener in the following scenario:

AD

for

Huerter, Collins, ?????

1 First? 2 firsts? 2 firsts and some seconds? 3 firsts (including the protected CHA pick)? A different combination?

Huerter, Collins, The Charlotte pick, our 2022 pick and a protected 2024 pick from us.

Probably the expiring Gallinari contract to provide some level of salary cap relief for LA, too.

shagadelic45 · Post #6 » by **shagadelic45** » Sat May 14, 2022 12:32 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
shagadelic45 wrote:What would you deal for AD?

What would you add as sweetener in the following scenario:

AD

for

Huerter, Collins, ?????

1 First? 2 firsts? 2 firsts and some seconds? 3 firsts (including the protected CHA pick)? A different combination?

Huerter, Collins, The Charlotte pick, our 2022 pick and a protected 2024 pick from us.

Probably the expiring Gallinari contract to provide some level of salary cap relief for LA, too.

like it.

saloonyk8 · Post #7 » by **saloonyk8** » Mon May 16, 2022 4:06 am

If AD is healthy he's at least a top 10 player. You take chances on that... How else could we get a top ten player they don't grow on trees lol

D21 · Post #8 » by **D21** » Mon May 16, 2022 10:15 am

saloonyk8 wrote:If AD is healthy he's at least a top 10 player. You take chances on that... How else could we get a top ten player they don't grow on trees lol

But we don't need another top10 player, we just need a better coach, and a healthy roster, so a better training staff.
On the court, we need a wing defender as all season long, we got destroyed by the opposite SG who each time looked like a All-Star.

Instead of sending multiple picks for a overrated player, keep them to trade up in the draft or get expiring veteran that can help.

One more year with lots of injuries, and with AD here being injured (if Hawks players are already getting injuries, I don't how AD would avoid such a thing) would be a real nightmare

saloonyk8 · Post #9 » by **saloonyk8** » Mon May 16, 2022 3:53 pm

D21 wrote:
saloonyk8 wrote:If AD is healthy he's at least a top 10 player. You take chances on that... How else could we get a top ten player they don't grow on trees lol

But we don't need another top10 player, we just need a better coach, and a healthy roster, so a better training staff.
On the court, we need a wing defender as all season long, we got destroyed by the opposite SG who each time looked like a All-Star.

Instead of sending multiple picks for a overrated player, keep them to trade up in the draft or get expiring veteran that can help.

One more year with lots of injuries, and with AD here being injured (if Hawks players are already getting injuries, I don't how AD would avoid such a thing) would be a real nightmare

I completely disagree on another top ten player. First of all, Trae is NOT and will likely not be a top 10 player unless he improves defensively by a LOT. He needs to at least be league average otherwise you're forced to build an entire roster to mitigate that weakness.

Secondly, I see teams that typically advance past the second round... They have multiple guys who are in the top 20 conversation. Bucks 3, Celtics 2, Heat 2, Sixers 2, Suns 2-3... I'm not talking about exceptions just generally speaking you need at least 2 elite level talents to compete for a title.

Who's the Hawks second best player? Who's the best defender? Who can carry an offense after Trae?

D21 · Post #10 » by **D21** » Tue May 17, 2022 1:25 am

saloonyk8 wrote:
D21 wrote:
saloonyk8 wrote:If AD is healthy he's at least a top 10 player. You take chances on that... How else could we get a top ten player they don't grow on trees lol

But we don't need another top10 player, we just need a better coach, and a healthy roster, so a better training staff.
On the court, we need a wing defender as all season long, we got destroyed by the opposite SG who each time looked like a All-Star.

They were not dominated when playing both Trae and Delon, they just have to work on playing Trae off the ball.
Or if Trae is such a problem, just trade him

I'm not against getting a top 10 player, just that if it cost a lot, this team won't be better, especially if these player is a injury prone like AD

You are all forgetting that we played MIA with both Capela and Collins injured, and that had an huge impact on Trae game as he's used to play with them, but at higher speed.
Doing trade based on that MIA series only is a big mistake.

We just needed to be healthy like MIA (they only had Lowry injured) AND have at least one of the tough some teams have like Tucker. And if we had Tucker, ATL would be better, and MIA would not be as good because they wouldn't have him.
We need to win on signing with kind of guys instead of seeing them joining other teams

Post #11 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue May 17, 2022 1:57 am

Giannis is probably the single best player on the planet right now. And he just got bounced in the 2nd round. Because he can't do it alone. Expecting Trae to contend every year with no All NBA level teammate next to him is...unrealistic.

If we can get an elite player in his prime that complements Trae on the court, you overpay for that. Otherwise Trae is destined to be just like Allen Iverson, a great scorer who couldn't win it all.

dlb731 · Post #12 » by **dlb731** » Tue May 17, 2022 7:25 pm

Jamaaliver wrote::o

Giannis is probably the single best player on the planet right now. And he just got bounced in the 2nd round. Because he can't do it alone. Expecting Trae to contend every year with no All NBA level teammate next to him is...unrealistic.

If we can get an elite player in his prime that complements Trae on the court, you overpay for that. Otherwise Trae is destined to be just like Allen Iverson, a great scorer who couldn't win it all.

The question is.... Who?

D21 · Post #13 » by **D21** » Tue May 17, 2022 11:33 pm

I watched some games of this series, and what I saw a first problem is that MIL coaching needed to be better. BOS was more playing like a team, far more than MIL.
Now, it's certainly due to Middleton being out, but I think they could do a better adjustment

The one thing that is important is to have your full roster healthy, from the beginning of the season, more than anything.
If everybody stay healthy, you have great chances to advance further during the playoffs.
I agree that we need to improve the roster, but I fully disagree on doing that based on a 1-4 first round exit and like this team was fully healthy.

Now, we don't need to get all spot dominating as, among the four teams remaining, only BOS is this case this season, and MIL last season when winning a title had mainly the PF spot dominating (+9) and the other neutral (what DAL has this season with PG at +9 and the other neutral or negative).

Between two years ago and last year, we have improved SG, SF and C spots.
Between one year ago and now, PG got even better, SG and PF didn't changed, C a bit less dominant, bur SF decreased.

2019-20

2020-21

2021-22

But as we got torched by opponent wings in a lot of lost games, it's where I would target improvement, and why a guy like Simmons (if not shooting 3s doesn't create problem for the other guys) would make more sense than injury prone AD, or some of shooting guards that don't play defense like Mitchell, Beal,... and I don't want to trade Bogi as he was already good last season, but this season, it was simply with him that the team was playing best.
I would move Huerter and Collins before him.
Regarding Hunter, I would keep him, but if he can't bring the same defense than one ago, I would move him next season.
I hope that starting the season fully healthy would free his mind about past injuries and let him play real defense like he has the potential to.

atlantabbq99 · Post #14 » by **atlantabbq99** » Thu Oct 27, 2022 1:07 pm

I'm totally shocked with the Lakers right now...

Should the Hawks go ahead and offer Collins for AD? Would do the trade straight up?

Post #15 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Oct 27, 2022 1:22 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:I'm totally shocked with the Lakers right now...

Should the Hawks go ahead and offer Collins for AD? Would do the trade straight up?

It'd be a gamble considering how well JC is playing and the contract he's on right now.

But for long-term contention...I'd consider it.

Post #16 » by **HMFFL** » Thu Oct 27, 2022 1:25 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:I'm totally shocked with the Lakers right now...

Should the Hawks go ahead and offer Collins for AD? Would do the trade straight up?

I'd inquire about him but they don't seem interested in moving him. Lebron can't be moved until the off-season so I'm assuming they'd wait until the off-season to move Anthony Davis.

Lebron and company don't play ant defense.

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atlantabbq99 · Post #17 » by **atlantabbq99** » Thu Oct 27, 2022 1:45 pm

Apparently Lakers don't own there 2023 pick, so they can't get VW, so the Lakers need to make the playoffs.

I don't know if the Lakers do the trade but at least Collins gives them elite 3pt shooting at the 4 and the biggest weakness for the Lakers for the past 2 years has been 3pt shooting.

jayu70 · Post #18 » by **jayu70** » Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:08 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:I'm totally shocked with the Lakers right now...

Should the Hawks go ahead and offer Collins for AD? Would do the trade straight up?

AD seems to have checked out since winning a ring. Pass

D21 · Post #19 » by **D21** » Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:06 pm

atlantabbq99 wrote:I'm totally shocked with the Lakers right now...

Should the Hawks go ahead and offer Collins for AD? Would do the trade straight up?

Would you except him to run back after a TO and make a block like John did Vs DET?
I don't and saw that since last season, Davis is playing almost no defense.

It would be a big mistake to trade John for this guy, and as he cost more, there's a chance we end up with less depth.
Absolute NO for me

atlantabbq99 · Post #20 » by **atlantabbq99** » Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:53 pm

D21 wrote:
atlantabbq99 wrote:I'm totally shocked with the Lakers right now...

Should the Hawks go ahead and offer Collins for AD? Would do the trade straight up?

Would you except him to run back after a TO and make a block like John did Vs DET?
I don't and saw that since last season, Davis is playing almost no defense.

It would be a big mistake to trade John for this guy, and as he cost more, there's a chance we end up with less depth.
Absolute NO for me

AD has been a beast on defense in the last 4 games, 3 steals per game and 2.5 blocks per game.

Problem with AD is he is shooting 17% from three. He is the worst version of Josh Smith when it comes to 3pt shooting and outside jumpshots.