Update: Hawks give Collins permission to seek trade per Stein

[Jamaaliver]

Hawks talk John Collins deals, Suns show interest as trade market begins to take shape: Shams’ Inside Pass



The Hawks have opened up preliminary trade discussions around forward John Collins, as interested teams inquire, league sources tell The Athletic. The Suns are a team showing desire in Collins, those sources have added, but they appear uninclined to take on the long-term money of Collins, who is in the second season of a five-year, $125 million contract. The Hawks don’t have an imminent deal in place involving Collins, those sources say, and executives around the league believe a potential deal will be weeks and potentially months in the making ahead of the Feb. 9 trade deadline.

The Suns have a handful of first-rounders to move, but given the team’s impending ownership change, it’s also uncertain how many future assets the current regime can move.

The inclusion of Collins in the trade talks is not uncommon. For several years now, the Hawks have had a bevy of suitors for Collins, who has established himself as a highflying impact talent in the frontcourt. Collins battled through multiple hand and foot injuries last season, and after an offseason of trade chatter, returned to the organization with a new All-Star backcourt of Trae Young and Dejounte Murray.

Off to a 9-6 start, Atlanta has the ability to be judicious in its approach to discussions from interested parties. So far this season, Collins is averaging 12.6 points (the lowest since his rookie season in 2017-18) and a career-low 22.7 percent 3-point range to go along with 7.7 rebounds per game.

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[Jamaaliver]

I have to figure JC is onboard with moving on. Dude is criminally underused in our system.

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[threethehardway]

This is a failure of roster construction and identity.

The moment the Hawks traded for Capella, it was over.

Should've traded Capella for Kristaps when Dallas was shopping him.

[Jamaaliver]

This is a failure of roster construction and identity.

The moment the Hawks traded for Capella, it was over.

Yeah, Capela has been good for the team, but a less than natural fit next to Collins.

I fear the same may be true of Dejounte and Trae.

[Jamaaliver]

What do you guys think: are we getting Jae Crowder and picks?
Are we looking to pick up Cam Johnson?
Should we just bite the bullet and ask for D Ayton?

[tester551]

What do you guys think: are we getting Jae Crowder and picks?
Are we looking to pick up Cam Johnson?
Should we just bite the bullet and ask for D Ayton?

Ayton + Crowder ($41.0M) <-> Collins + Capella ($42.2M)

[CP War Hawks]

If it's the Suns, it's gonna be Crowder, CJ, and likely Shamet for salary. Hawks probably add Martin for the Suns wing depth. I was hoping for a 1st to come back but doesn't seem likely.

Ayton and Collins is a very intriguing front court. Collins could thrive in that system. For the Hawks, versatility and depth at both forward spots are sorely needed.

[tbhawksfan1]

I can't help but think that the Hawks resources are being very poorly utilized by a very limited HC. How many do we have to trade before it becomes evident that that is a BIG part of the Hawks struggles. Last year was a disaster based on the team's talent

We are at the point where a lot of the rebuild are in their second contract and the team has stagnated. That even though there is still a lot of first contract talent.

Please wake up and improve the coaching. Nothing worse than wasted assets

[jayu70]

What's new - just a different year, same trade rumor.
I guess at some point it might eventually happen.

[Jamaaliver]

I can't help but think that the Hawks resources are being very poorly utilized by a very limited HC.

Yeah. Look no further than than the career year K Huerter is experiencing in SAC for proof.

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Collins is likely to go to a more balanced offensive team and ball out for the rest of the year.

[threethehardway]

Yeah, Capela has been good for the team, but a less than natural fit next to Collins.

I fear the same may be true of Dejounte and Trae.

The whole roster is a mess and the Hawks are just throwing anything at the wall hoping it sticks.

Should've never acquired Bogie, Gallo and Capella in the first place just to avoid not tanking, when they need young elite wing talent.

Should've never made the Dejounte trade, giving up what they gave up, since he's barely an All-Star caliber player.

[Jamaaliver]

The whole roster is a mess and the Hawks are just throwing anything at the wall hoping it sticks.

Should've never acquired Bogie, Gallo and Capella in the first place just to avoid not tanking, when they need young elite wing talent.

Should've never made the Dejounte trade, giving up what they gave up, since he's barely an All-Star caliber player.

[jayu70]

The whole roster is a mess and the Hawks are just throwing anything at the wall hoping it sticks.

Should've never acquired Bogie, Gallo and Capella in the first place just to avoid not tanking, when they need young elite wing talent.

Should've never made the Dejounte trade, giving up what they gave up, since he's barely an All-Star caliber player.

[tbhawksfan1]

Yeah, Capela has been good for the team, but a less than natural fit next to Collins.

I fear the same may be true of Dejounte and Trae.

The whole roster is a mess and the Hawks are just throwing anything at the wall hoping it sticks.

Should've never acquired Bogie, Gallo and Capella in the first place just to avoid not tanking, when they need young elite wing talent.

Should've never made the Dejounte trade, giving up what they gave up, since he's barely an All-Star caliber player.

Go home. It's past your bed time. Coming to our board to post this crap it a testament to your agenda and immaturity. Take it to the GB. Maybe you'll get an add1 for this crap there

[HMFFL]

I have to figure JC is onboard with moving on. Dude is criminally underused in our system.

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He seemed to prefer it in the past. Nothing has probably changed since and I believe he needs to be moved this time. This headline just continues every year.

Besides, if we're not properly using JC, I don't have much confidence that we'll use another 4 properly, unless they're only used on defense.

The situation with Collins has forever been intriguing to me.

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[jayu70]

Per Steve Koonin (Hawks CEO) on weekly radio Interview this afternoon when asked about the JC trade rumors, Transcript:

"Is it surprising? No

Did somebody want to put that out? Yeah

Did it come from us? No

So somebody obviously wants to go acquire one of our players which is fine. Here's what I'll say, if we were trading a player, it's usually not in November! Can you name one NBA trade in November?"

 

When asked about it affecting locker room:

"We're playing well, we're a good team, we always want to get better, but we can't let internet drivel get in the way."

[threethehardway]

Can you win a championship with Trae or Dejounte as the best player? No. Trae is too small and Dejounte isn't a good enough scorer or playmaker. The Hawks need a big wing that can score, rebound and defend. Need a Kawhi, Pascal Siakim type player.

Who was the 2nd best player during the Hawks ECF run? Bogi some nights, Capella some nights. John Collins some nights. The Hawks weren't gonna win with that.

There's a reason why OKC dismantled their playoff team that was a 5th seed in 2019-2020 with SGA, CP3, Gallo and Schroeder. It was good enough to be a 4th to 8th seed, but it wasn't good enough to win a championship.

SGA and Trae are the same age and SGA and Trae only been to the playoffs one more time than Trae as a starter only due to the play-in.

And SGA as part of that 2019-2020 team, won more games in a season than Trae ever has in a season.

Imagine if the Hawks tanked last year with all of the injuries and Covid of fighting for the play-in and getting Banchero, the exact kind of player the Hawks need to put with Trae and JC. They wouldn't be in the position of making a panic trades to make the team better. Wouldn't be in the position of giving up very valuable future draft capital for a team that is probably not much better than ECF team.

Those are the kinds of decisions and risks you take to get what you need to win a championship, unless MGMT just enjoy watching subpar to average to occasionally exciting playoff basketball with a middling team that can get very hot. That's been a staple in Atlanta for years.

[Jamaaliver]

Per Steve Koonin (Hawks CEO) on weekly radio Interview this afternoon when asked about the JC trade rumors,

"We're playing well, we're a good team, we always want to get better, but we can't let internet drivel get in the way."

1. That man has improved greatly at the non-denial denial.

2. If I had to guess who is responsible for this intel getting leaked, I'd bet money Jae Crowder's people are behind it. He's the only person who'd truly benefit from this info getting out right now. Forcing our hand by dragging Jj Collins name back into the mud.

[Jamaaliver]

Hawks need a big wing that can score, rebound and defend. Need a Kawhi, Pascal Siakim type player.

You're obviously welcome to post here on the Hawks board, but please don't post intentionally inflammatory statements about the team/players/franchise just to rile up the posters here.

There are plenty of other places for that kind of rhetoric here at RealGM.

That is all.

[D21]

Per Steve Koonin (Hawks CEO) on weekly radio Interview this afternoon when asked about the JC trade rumors,

"We're playing well, we're a good team, we always want to get better, but we can't let internet drivel get in the way."

1. That man has improved greatly at the non-denial denial.

2. If I had to guess who is responsible for this intel getting leaked, I'd bet money Jae Crowder's people are behind it. He's the only person who'd truly benefit from this info getting out right now. Forcing our hand by dragging Jj Collins name back into the mud.

Even Shams said it was the other teams calling, so Koonin is certainly right.
It's just almost all the media screaming "ATL want to trade Collins" that is insane. So they may get bad/incomplete information and it's possible it's coming from Crowder people

What do you guys think: are we getting Jae Crowder and picks?
Are we looking to pick up Cam Johnson?
Should we just bite the bullet and ask for D Ayton?

I have not changed my mind on Ayton, I don't see why it would make ATL better.
Just checked and he has only +2 Net rating with PHX, the lowest for PHX starters.
In Real Plus Minus: he's 44th among the Centers, Capela is 9th... and Turner is 4th, and he's shooting 3s and can create space allowing John to attack the rim

With Turner 3pts shooting and Bogi back, this team could be very different
But the media prefer to say that Turner should be with LAL