Sekou on trading

[conleyorbust]

Sekou must be reading Realgm, either that or a lot of Realgmers are posting on his blog.

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared ... ajc/hawks/

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"And the award for the zaniest trade idea floated this year is

[JoshB914]

I couldn't agree more with Sekou. I really value Smoove highly. I would only deal for a Lebron, Kobe, Wade etc. And obviously that isn't going to happen. Everyone keeps forgetting he is only 22.

[conleyorbust]

It seems like a lot of pro-trading Smith types want to trade Smith because they think that it will balance out the roster in the future. They like Marv at the 3, Al at the 4, and player tbd in the pivot. I'm of the opinion that there are only so many special talents in the league and you don't give them up to "balance out the roster". You trade a guy like Smith for a player that gives you a better chance at winning, a guy like Kobe, Duncan, Garnett, or maybe even a Bynum but you don't trade him for a guy that is good and plays a different position like Gasol, LMA, or JO.

If we got a Boston-esque deal where we could get Tim Duncan by trading Josh, Shelden, Zaza, and Acie or something, well then we do that. I just think that Smith is the type of player that you build around otherwise.

[tontoz]

It seems like a lot of pro-trading Smith types want to trade Smith because they think that it will balance out the roster in the future.

I haven't seen much of that lately. The trade talk was pretty heavy in November though.

I think a lot of people just assumed coming into the season that Horford would be better at the 4 than Smith, thus making Smith expendable.

I didn't see it then and still don't.

[Joe Kleazy]

It seems like a lot of pro-trading Smith types want to trade Smith because they think that it will balance out the roster in the future. They like Marv at the 3, Al at the 4, and player tbd in the pivot. I'm of the opinion that there are only so many special talents in the league and you don't give them up to "balance out the roster". You trade a guy like Smith for a player that gives you a better chance at winning, a guy like Kobe, Duncan, Garnett, or maybe even a Bynum but you don't trade him for a guy that is good and plays a different position like Gasol, LMA, or JO.

If we got a Boston-esque deal where we could get Tim Duncan by trading Josh, Shelden, Zaza, and Acie or something, well then we do that. I just think that Smith is the type of player that you build around otherwise.

Trading Smith would be your best chance to get a player(s) that helps you win that also balances out the roster. Not that he has to go but just in the case of trying to make a real move, he has the best chance for a great return.

Its mainly due to having multiple peices that all fit into the same holes but seeing as the team is so young you can wait it out and hope to aquire these pieces without moving anyone since the east is so wide open.

Its obvious you need a PG and C and in the end at some point all of your guys are gonna want to be paid, which makes your decisions that much more important. Not that every other team in the league wont deal with the same things though.

[Joe Kleazy]

It seems like a lot of pro-trading Smith types want to trade Smith because they think that it will balance out the roster in the future.

I haven't seen much of that lately. The trade talk was pretty heavy in November though.

I think a lot of people just assumed coming into the season that Horford would be better at the 4 than Smith, thus making Smith expendable.

I didn't see it then and still don't.

This is interesting tontoz. Now thinking about it, if management would have made things clear that josh was going to be the PF and just went with conley then there would be less confusion.

So many drafts missing out on the parts you need due to worrying about the media criticism which causes you to draft the safe player is really hurting this team. Hibbert dropping out changed the orignal plans but your scouts have to do a better job of knowing what some of these later picks true potential are. Every year it seems a late draft pick shines in this league and you must prepare for that and ignore what others think will help your team.

[tontoz]

Now thinking about it, if management would have made things clear that josh was going to be the PF and just went with conley then there would be less confusion.

I wanted Conley but oh well. I still think Acie will do well although he has gotten off to a slow start.

[HoopsGuru25]

I don't think there is any one who thought Horford would beat out Josh Smith for the starting job at PF. There was a group who thought Horford was big enough to hold his own defensively at the center position. There was a group who thought Yi or Wright were the BPA available and that they would start over Marvin..and there was a group of people who wanted Conley and were content with not selecting a big man in the draft.

I don't think any one expected Josh Smith to lose his job.

[tontoz]

I don't think there is any one who thought Horford would beat out Josh Smith for the starting job at PF.

That isn't what i said.

[conleyorbust]

Trading Smith would be your best chance to get a player(s) that helps you win that also balances out the roster. Not that he has to go but just in the case of trying to make a real move, he has the best chance for a great return.

Its mainly due to having multiple peices that all fit into the same holes but seeing as the team is so young you can wait it out and hope to aquire these pieces without moving anyone since the east is so wide open.

Its obvious you need a PG and C and in the end at some point all of your guys are gonna want to be paid, which makes your decisions that much more important. Not that every other team in the league wont deal with the same things though.

Right we need a center or a pg but as or right now its pretty clear that Josh Smith is already a player that helps you win games and can only get better. My point is that unless you get another player that has the star capabilities of Smith, you don't trade him just to "balance out the roster" you trade someone else. If Nawlins came a'callin' with Chris Paul then yeah, I'd make that trade. Unfortunately that isn't gonna happen so I don't want to trade Smith for Lamarcus Aldridge, Mike Bibby, or Sam Dalembert just because the might seem like they fill a hole.

Guru, tontoz was saying that there was a lot of chatter about how Horford was the "prototypical power forward" and that he was the future of the 4-spot for this team. Not that he was necessarilly going to beat out Josh this season, although quite a few of the analysts predicted that Marv would be on the bench and Hofo would start at the 4. The trade Smith talk centered around the "Josh Smith won't be as good of a PF long term so we might as well get rid of him now while his value is high" line of thinking.

[Sultanofatl]

If we didn't have Hortford playing center......we would be the bobcats.

[JoshB914]

Regardless of how many forwards have, Smoove has a good shot to be a serious star in this league. We need to do whatever we can to hold onto him.

[GTfan]

Horford had 10pts, 15rbds, 2 blks, and shot 50% against a 7'3" former all star center. He also had to guard Big Z for half the game and held him to 7 pts, 7 rbds, 3-9 FG. I'd say there is no question that Horford can hold his own as a center in the NBA. The best part is, he's only getting better.

[HMFFL]

Sekou have a point and I would think he reads Realgm considering all the traffic this site provides to his articles. I would think the AJC keeps track of how much of their traffic comes from outside of AJC.com also.

If we went after Pau, I would think we would need another piece as well, but many believe Josh Smith could be as effective at the 3 as Marvin. So, that's why some feel Pau would work great here in Atlanta, and by moving Horford to the 4.

C- Pau Gasol
PF - Al Horford
SF - Josh Smith
SG - Joe Johnson
PG - ???????????

That lineup gives me goose bumps.

[tbhawksfan]

Got to keep Smoove. He is a game changer. He has those kinds of plays that just turn things around.

The questions becomes, which of the two are going to get the majority of their minutes at PF? If it's Smoove then Horford will have to get about 15-20 minutes at C. If Horford gets the PF role then Smoove needs about 15-20 at SF. Then are are the reercussions to Marvin, Chil, Shelden and Zaza.

It's clear that without a good C, we will not give PF to Horford, so PF is Smooves unless he is traded for a C.

What C would I trade him for?

Bynum for Smoove? Tempting but probably no.
Ellis and Beans for Smoove? Tough to pass on if you look at the resulting team.
It would take that kind of trade to tempt me.

[JoshB914]

I wouldn't trade Smoove for any of those guys. He is going to be that good.

[tontoz]

but many believe Josh Smith could be as effective at the 3 as Marvin.

We are already one of the worst perimeter shooting teams in the league. Only Philly shoots a worse percentage on jumpers than we do.

Remember Smith taking all those jumpers in November? I don't think we want more of that.

[conleyorbust]

but many believe Josh Smith could be as effective at the 3 as Marvin.

We are already one of the worst perimeter shooting teams in the league. Only Philly shoots a worse percentage on jumpers than we do.

Remember Smith taking all those jumpers in November? I don't think we want more of that.

Smith could only be a 3 if one of our post players had deep range on their J, if that were the case he could be sort of a mismatch inside. Otherwise I really don't want to see it happen.

[NDaATL]

Sekou have a point and I would think he reads Realgm considering all the traffic this site provides to his articles. I would think the AJC keeps track of how much of their traffic comes from outside of AJC.com also.

If we went after Pau, I would think we would need another piece as well, but many believe Josh Smith could be as effective at the 3 as Marvin. So, that's why some feel Pau would work great here in Atlanta, and by moving Horford to the 4.

C- Pau Gasol
PF - Al Horford
SF - Josh Smith
SG - Joe Johnson
PG - ???????????

That lineup gives me goose bumps.

That lineup does look nasty, and would definitely improve our rebounding, but unless that PG can shoot lights out we are in trouble. Either that, or we'd have to have a lot of good shooting backups.

[tbhawksfan]

That line up with a very good ball mouvement Off (PG) can shoot a very high percentage.

What does it take to get Gasol here? Marvin/Shelden or Zaza/Salim/picks do it?