Jose Calderon

Awoooga · Post #1 » by **Awoooga** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:59 pm

Knicks fan here, just wanted to say I like your team, young, athletic and overall just fun to watch. The one place I think your lacking in is the PG position and although you drafted Law this year I think signing an up and coming ball distributor like Jose Calderon (FA this offseason) would do wonders for your team. Has this been discussed? What are your thoughts on this (seeing as you guys probably watch more hawks games than me) ?

tbhawksfan · Post #2 » by **tbhawksfan** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:05 pm

You got a deal to get him here?

Awoooga · Post #3 » by **Awoooga** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:09 pm

I mean this offseason. He's a RFA and you guys have cap room if you renounce Childress to sign Calderon and resign Smooth.

JoshB914 · Post #4 » by **JoshB914** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:12 pm

It has been a highly discussed topic ever since we ended up with two t11 picks. There was a rumor that Chillz/11 for Calderon was on the table but one of the sides didn't want to pull the trigger. If this was a doable deal and we pulled the plug then I just don't know what to say. But the rumors were not validated by anyone credible.

There was also a four billion page thread about a possible JC deal more recently.

I would like to see us make a big time push for him this summer or maybe work some kind of S&T with Chillz and others. But a lot of it depends on what the organization thinks of IV.

Post #5 » by **dms269** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:18 pm

The problem is that we would have to give Calderon a huge offer, and I'm not sure he is worth it. By huge I am talking around a deal starting at 8 or 9 million, anything less than the Raptors will probably match the offer since Ford has a bad injury history.

JoshB914 · Post #6 » by **JoshB914** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:24 pm

Calderon is definetely worth a huge offer. He has been one of the top PG's in the league this season with Ford out. The issue would be if it effects our chances of resigning Smoove.

conleyorbust · Post #7 » by **conleyorbust** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:37 pm

Calderon is the real deal. I don't see the Raps letting go of him though, TJ Ford is just too much of a risk at this point.

evildallas · Post #8 » by **evildallas** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:38 pm

I really think he's worth a big offer also, but I'm not sure if BK has the same philosophy in respect to paying a PG. He did make a good offer for Sam Cassell that was rejected, but to get Jose as an RFA I think we have to go a little higher which is why I'm been suggesting deals to move Zaza and Shelden to free up that extra cap space to make Jose a realistic target.

tbhawksfan · Post #9 » by **tbhawksfan** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:43 pm

Letting Chil go to persue Calderon is very risky. Chances are we lose both.

Skyhawk1 · Post #10 » by **Skyhawk1** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:52 pm

The thing with RFAs is, you got to overpay in order to get them, and even when you do ( Charlie Bell is an example ), their current team might still match it. I think there's no way the Raptors can let him go due to Ford's health issues. If Ford was fine, I'd say that it'd be much easier for them to let him go, but the way it looks now, he's their PG for the future.

JoshB914 · Post #11 » by **JoshB914** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:47 pm

JC is a league ahead of Charlie Bell. If we have to overpay a little to get him, I think we are AT LEAST a 50 win team next year.

Venables · Post #12 » by **Venables** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:26 am

Uh oh, just wait till the Raps' fans catch hold of this one... haha

Ive been very vocal about wanting Calderon. Im an Atlantan who lives in Canada so Ive seen the Raps play a lot the last few years and pretty much am 1000% sure he would be the perfect fit here.

He is the real deal and he's exactly what we need. I'd def give him a big offer b/c he would complete this team in a lot of ways.

Calderon + Joe + Marv + Smoove + Horf

is a lineup that could compete in the Eastern Conference and even for a championship in the next 5-6 years. It would be a very competitive team for awhile.

Here's the kicker. Why on earth would Colangelo let Calderon go this summer. He is a great fit on that team too, and we've seen how reliable Ford's health is this season.

So, while we might bid up Calderon's price, I think its pretty much impossible for us to get him, unless we overpay in a sign-and-trade (think sending out a Smoove or a Horf).

I really doubt it happens, but I think it is most DEF on BK's radar. This is a pg in the vein that BK loves. That should be slightly worrisome to the Raps... but hey, they have prolly the best GM in the league, so all should end up OK for them.

Awoooga · Post #13 » by **Awoooga** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:09 am

I think he can be signed away from Toronto. There going to be pretty close to the Luxury Tax level next year when you factor in draft picks and resigning Jamario Moon. If you front load the deal to give him a higher salary in the first few seasons and lower ones in the later years you could get him. I am not sure that Toronto would even want to spend 17+ million on Pg's.

In terms of him being worth the money, I certainly think he his. The guy doesn't turn the ball over, shoots a high percentage and is an great passer. He's everything you would want in a PG and he's still pretty young. I'd like to see how this plays out in the offseason but I would love to see you guys make a run at him. Calderon-JJ-Smooth-Marvin-Hoford is an excellent lineup.

killbuckner · Post #14 » by **killbuckner** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:28 am

They can't afford to lose calderon with TJ's injury looming over them.

Venables · Post #15 » by **Venables** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:33 am

^^ Exactly. They lose him and they take a big step back.

positivetension · Post #16 » by **positivetension** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:27 am

Venables wrote:^^ Exactly. They lose him and they take a big step back.

Calderon is not going anywhere and if he is, it won't be cheap. Colangelo would definitely extract an asset better than Childress. If you want Ford though, that's another story.

conleyorbust · Post #17 » by **conleyorbust** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:01 pm

I don't see Colangelo trading Calderon (or letting him slip away for Childress). TJ Ford's future in the NBA is always in jeopardy which was the rational for having two good pgs in the first place, no one expected Calderon to be this good but still. If they can trade TJ for cap relief they might do that, either way, I can see Colangelo trying to move a lot of guys to keep Jose in the fold, he is easily their second most important player this season.

I don't think they want to pay the lux tax but I don't think that's going to be an issue anyway. Maybe if we are REALLY lucky and ASG gets a new partner who is willing to spend all his money on the Hawks we can swing a deal of Chil + Acie (if Acie gets really good soon). Unlikely though.

killbuckner · Post #18 » by **killbuckner** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:21 pm

trading for TJ is actually an interesting idea. But his injury worries cast such a pall over his trade value I have no clue at all what a fair trade would look like.

conleyorbust · Post #19 » by **conleyorbust** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:47 pm

killbuckner wrote:trading for TJ is actually an interesting idea. But his injury worries cast such a pall over his trade value I have no clue at all what a fair trade would look like.

Honestly, I'd think that Chil + AJ or something would be fair value considering the contract that TJ has and the injury concerns. Look at the amount of time he's missed, 04': 27 games, 05': season, and this season: 20 games and counting spread over three different parts of a young season. He had 2 relatively healthy years but this season has really dulled the optimism that had been building about his health.

Colangelo is a smart enough guy to see that as a concern, he might just say, "what the hell, I have another good point guard". I don't know if it is worth it for us to risk losing him for good, or at least 20 games a season.

D21 · Post #20 » by **D21** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:35 pm

Awoooga wrote:...I am not sure that Toronto would even want to spend 17+ million on Pg's.
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It's not like there was no risk with TJ...
With the current situation, I can easyly imagine TOR wanting to spend that kind of money until the end of TJ's contract.